Why are they hiding the manifesto?

ThatOwlWoman said:
I haven't heard anyone claim that guns are completely unnecessary to maintain our freedom, have you? Our military would look pretty silly flinging spears at enemy combatants. lol
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Lots of Democrats want to ban all guns and leave only the police and military armed.

On topic: I heard George Santos has the manifestos for sale….to help pay his legal bills. Any truth to that rumor?
 
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Doc Dutch said:
Yes, they are. There are members here who want to ban all guns. There are members who support Hillary’s “Australian-style” gun control.

I don’t trust liars and Democrats have been lying about guns since 1992. They are not to be trusted. If they were honest, I’d support more measures, but they can’t be trusted.

Consider Obama’s 2013 Gun Control bill. If it had passed, do you believe that would have been sufficient gun control or just a “good starting point”? If you don’t answer, then I’ll assume it’s the latter because no Democrats ever answer that question.
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Your paranoia is cute but it is just paranoia.
Guns are not banned in Australia nor are they restricted to only being able to own blunderbusses.
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
Your paranoia is cute but it is just paranoia.
Guns are not banned in Australia nor are they restricted to only being able to own blunderbusses.
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What is the difference, in your opinion, between confiscation and mandatory buyback?

IMO, it’s that the state gives the individual what they deem to be a fair price for the item. However, the result is the same; the state disarms the majority of the middle and lower income classes. The rich, of course, keep whatever they like.
 
Doc Dutch said:
What is the difference, in your opinion, between confiscation and mandatory buyback?

IMO, it’s that the state gives the individual what they deem to be a fair price for the item. However, the result is the same; the state disarms the majority of the middle and lower income classes. The rich, of course, keep whatever they like.
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You're right, we should eliminate the rich as well.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Absolutely false.

:laugh: I heard he helped write it, along with the Constitution. lol
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Are you saying not a single Democrat voiced that opinion or will you finally be defining what "lots" means when it's to your advantage to do so?

LOL No doubt that will be in his prison memoirs. :)
 
Doc Dutch said:
Are you saying not a single Democrat voiced that opinion or will you finally be defining what "lots" means when it's to your advantage to do so?

LOL No doubt that will be in his prison memoirs. :)
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When you talk in absolutes -- and then accuse the other person of doing so -- you've quit debating and devolved into "You're a big fat poopyhead! No, YOU are."

You: Democrats believe _____.
Me: Absolutely false.
You: So you're claiming ZERO Democrats believe _____.
 
Doc Dutch said:
Lots of Democrats want to ban all guns and leave only the police and military armed.

On topic: I heard George Santos has the manifestos for sale….to help pay his legal bills. Any truth to that rumor?
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You do know you can fully support 2nd amendment rights and still be for measures to control the use and sale of assault weapons. Many think assault weapons are outside the realm of 2nd amendment rights.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
When you talk in absolutes -- and then accuse the other person of doing so -- you've quit debating and devolved into "You're a big fat poopyhead! No, YOU are."

You: Democrats believe _____.
Me: Absolutely false.
You: So you're claiming ZERO Democrats believe _____.
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I confess to taking a decadent joy out of harassing hypocrites by throwing their own reasoning in their faces. No doubt there are lots of people on both sides of the aisle who will agree with me. :thup:

Sorry. I'll try to do better. :)
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Well said.
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The problem with vocal 2nd amendment types is they keep conflating what people want to do with assault weapons with all guns. It's an NRA-voiced conspiracy that simply doesn't exist even in fringe lunacy. Assault weapons should only be in the military and certain police hands. They all should need to be licensed and trained with them.
 
Jade Dragon said:
You do know you can fully support 2nd amendment rights and still be for measures to control the use and sale of assault weapons. Many think assault weapons are outside the realm of 2nd amendment rights.
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What I do know is that the path to freedom isn't found by banning stuff. It didn't work with the 18th Amendment. It's not working with the 50 year War on Drugs and it won't work by stripping away gun rights any more than banning abortion will fix our social ills.

Do you believe an authoritarian government dictating what rights people are allowed will end well?
 
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