Why are the Trumppers so obsessed about if Trump declassified?

PostmodernProphet said:
if there is a trial, there will be a court hearing to determine if the documents did in fact belong to the government.......if there is no trial, I wonder if the FBI will return Trump's property to him.......
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ITs not Trumps property. Presidential Records Act says so. In addition to the Presidential Records Act, if I work for a corporation and invent something while working for that company, the company owns it not me.

Why do you continue to ignore the Presidential Records Act?

44 U.S.C. §§ 2201–2209
 
PostmodernProphet said:
one thing that puzzles me is this.......I think it is an unavoidable fact that almost all of these documents have been copied many times......does the government "own" every copy of every document that comes out?......has anyone even THOUGHT about this?......
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https://www.archives.gov/about/laws/presidential-records.html
It looks like every time it is copied in the WH is is the property of the US government. All copies would be the property of the Federal government unless clearly identified as a copy.

§ 2202. Ownership of Presidential records

The United States shall reserve and retain complete ownership, possession, and control of Presidential records; and such records shall be administered in accordance with the provisions of this chapter.
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2) The term "Presidential records" means documentary materials, or any reasonably segregable portion thereof, created or received by the President, the President’s immediate staff, or a unit or individual of the Executive Office of the President whose function is to advise or assist the President, in the course of conducting activities which relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President. Such term--

(A) includes any documentary materials relating to the political activities of the President or members of the President’s staff, but only if such activities relate to or have a direct effect upon the carrying out of constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President; but

(B) does not include any documentary materials that are (i) official records of an agency (as defined in section 552(e) of title 5, United States Code; (ii) personal records; (iii) stocks of publications and stationery; or (iv) extra copies of documents produced only for convenience of reference, when such copies are clearly so identified.
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Earl said:
Yes, presidents need documents (de-classified) for their presidential libraries.

There must be millions of documents (copies) in presidential libraries all across America.

Historians and writers need documents (de-classified) for their work.

All God’s children need documents.
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Yes, but they get them via a process, they do not just take them. See Sandy Burger.
 
44 U.S.C. 2202 - The United States shall reserve and retain complete ownership, possession, and control of Presidential records; and such records shall be administered in accordance with the provisions of this chapter.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
why do the people that want to jail those they politically oppose because of propaganda instead of properly conducted legal proceedings pretend that others besides themselves are fascists.......
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So investigating and possibly charging your gloriouis #MalignantMessiah = fascism?

You're so cute when you try to excuse corruption, Shirley. :laugh:
 
Jarod said:
Yes, but they get them via a process, they do not just take them. See Sandy Burger.
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Berger also admitted to concealing and removing handwritten notes in violation of the Archives’ policy. In September 2005, Berger was ordered to pay a $50,000 fine and give up his security clearance for three years.

A fine.
 
Quote Originally Posted by Earl View Post

“You have some evidence that he wasn't president when he declassified them?

Once declassified, they are no longer classified .

They were locked in a basement with Secret Service protection 24/7.

Once declassified, they no longer even needed protection.”


Jarod:
“There is no evidence that he declassified them.

He himself has not even claimed he declassified them.”



Trump says he declassified Mar-a-Lago documents. Experts ...https://www.nbcnews.com › politics › donald-trump › t...
Aug 12, 2022 — Allies of former President Donald Trump say that any sensitive White House documents he brought with him to his Mar-a-Lago estate had been ...
 
Earl said:
Quote Originally Posted by Earl View Post

“You have some evidence that he wasn't president when he declassified them?

Once declassified, they are no longer classified .

They were locked in a basement with Secret Service protection 24/7.

Once declassified, they no longer even needed protection.”


Jarod:
“There is no evidence that he declassified them.

He himself has not even claimed he declassified them.”



Trump says he declassified Mar-a-Lago documents. Experts ...https://www.nbcnews.com › politics › donald-trump › t...
Aug 12, 2022 — Allies of former President Donald Trump say that any sensitive White House documents he brought with him to his Mar-a-Lago estate had been ...
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Yes, I have refuted the claim that they were declassified, I've also pointed out that it does not matter.
 
Jarod said:
Yes, I have refuted the claim that they were declassified, I've also pointed out that it does not matter.
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No, liar, you posted:

“He himself has not even claimed he declassified them.”



Trump says he declassified Mar-a-Lago documents. Experts ...https://www.nbcnews.com › politics › donald-trump › t...
Aug 12, 2022 — Allies of former President Donald Trump say that any sensitive White House documents he brought with him to his Mar-a-Lago estate had been ...
 
Earl said:
No, liar, you posted:

“He himself has not even claimed he declassified them.”



Trump says he declassified Mar-a-Lago documents. Experts ...https://www.nbcnews.com › politics › donald-trump › t...
Aug 12, 2022 — Allies of former President Donald Trump say that any sensitive White House documents he brought with him to his Mar-a-Lago estate had been ...
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True, again I refuted the claim that they were declassified. I also pointed out that its not relevant.

Allies of Donald Trump are not Donald Trump, BTW.
 
Earl said:
No, liar, you posted:

“He himself has not even claimed he declassified them.”





Trump says he declassified Mar-a-Lago documents. Experts ...https://www.nbcnews.com › politics › donald-trump › t...
Aug 12, 2022 — Allies of former President Donald Trump say that any sensitive White House documents he brought with him to his Mar-a-Lago estate had been ...
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It does not matter in the least whether these documents were declassified or not. That is not what the FBI search was about, nor will it have anything to do with an indictment.
 
Sandy Berger the former Clinton Administration National Security Advisor, said he made a "mistake" and was just "sloppy" when an FBI investigation revealed that he had stolen Top Secret memos and documents from the National Archives relating to the events surrounding al-Qaida attacks on America during the 1990s and in the year 2000. Archive security notified the FBI when they discovered documents missing, and saw Berger stuffing papers into his pants, socks, and a leather briefcase.

A ‘mistake”...when he was caught stuffing papers into his pants, socks, and a leather biiefcase.

Jarod lies as well as Berger does.
 
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