Why Americans Are Leaving Downtowns in Droves

Dutch Uncle said:
I've been to several US and foreign cities but was always happy to leave. :)
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True story. I was on a job a few blocks from the WTC on the day before the attack. I finished my work and couldn't wait to get out of the city. The clients couldn't understand why I was in such a rush.
 
Althea said:
True story. I was on a job a few blocks from the WTC on the day before the attack. I finished my work and couldn't wait to get out of the city. The clients couldn't understand why I was in such a rush.
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Some people like living in a beehive. I'm not one of them. LOL
 
Walt said:
As a counter point, New York City rents have shot up by 20% as people try to get apartments in NYC. Part of that is that many of the people who have "left" are still keeping their apartments in NYC, but there has got to be a lot of people trying to move to NYC to make that much of a jump possible.

The fact remains, the metro areas are the productive parts of the USA. Telecommuting is not to the point that will change completely any time soon.
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Manhattan Lost 6.9% of Its Population in 2021, the Most of Any Major U.S. County

New York City experienced a significant population shift last year, with four of its five counties losing a greater percentage of people than almost any other major county in the United States, the U.S. Census Bureau detailed Thursday.

Data analysts from the Census Bureau point to migration as the primary factor behind such significant shifts in population from 2020 to 2021. But not every county is down. The bureau found that at least 65% of metropolitan areas felt a population increase from 2020 to 2021.

The New York metro area lead all others in population loses, according to the census data. The combination of New York, Newark and Jersey City reflected a population loss of more than 385,000 people, almost double that of the Los Angeles, Long Beach and Anaheim region.
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Sailor said:
Why Americans Are Leaving Downtowns in Droves

https://www.theatlantic.com/newsletters/archive/2022/04/metro-areas-shrinking-population-loss/629665/

Pop quiz: What do the metros of New York City, Los Angeles, Chicago, Miami, Boston, Seattle, San Francisco, San Diego, Minneapolis–St. Paul, Philadelphia, and Washington, D.C., have in common?

They are all among the 20 largest metropolitan areas in the country. All of their populations were growing in 2011. And then, in 2021, they all shrank by a combined 900,000 people, according to an analysis of census data by the Brookings scholar William Frey. That’s an urban exodus nearly the size of two Wyomings.

The great metro shrinkage is part of a larger demographic story. Last year, the U.S. growth rate fell to a record low. The major drivers of population—migration and births—declined, while deaths soared in the pandemic. But America’s largest cities are getting the worst of this national trend. In the past three years, the net number of moves out of Manhattan has increased tenfold. In every urban county within the metros of New York City, Los Angeles, and San Francisco, immigration declined by at least 50 percent from 2018 to 2021. In downtown Detroit and Long Island, deaths actually exceeded births last year.
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And of course all of those cities are run by democrats.....rats leaving a sinking ship.
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One long assumption, with a conclusion that 2+2=5
 
Phantasmal said:
There’s a fable about a city mouse and a country mouse, they will leave the cities in droves, but many will return. I would not return to a small town unless forced. I do like the suburbs, where I’m close enough to drive into the city.
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I spent 64 years living in a city,than moved to a small farm town,where 5 feet out of town in any direction is a corn or soy bean field.
I would never move back to a city.
 
ExpressLane said:
Manhattan Lost 6.9% of Its Population in 2021, the Most of Any Major U.S. County
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Rents in Manhattan raised by 23% as people desperately try to get apartments in Manhattan. Can both of these exist in the same world? Sort of. People are moving out of Manhattan, but right now more people are moving in. Worse yet, many people who are moving out are only half moving out, and are keeping their apartments.

https://www.wealthmanagement.com/mu...ment-rents-hit-another-record-frenzied-market
 
Mr.Mason said:
I spent 64 years living in a city,than moved to a small farm town,where 5 feet out of town in any direction is a corn or soy bean field.
I would never move back to a city.
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NYC is becoming too expensive for young vibrant people to live there. I was hoping that the pandemic would change things, but so far it does not look like it has.
 
Walt said:
Rents in Manhattan raised by 23% as people desperately try to get apartments in Manhattan. Can both of these exist in the same world? Sort of. People are moving out of Manhattan, but right now more people are moving in. Worse yet, many people who are moving out are only half moving out, and are keeping their apartments.

https://www.wealthmanagement.com/mu...ment-rents-hit-another-record-frenzied-market
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The Census Bureau says people are moving out. Rent is going up EVERYWHERE just like housing prices are going up EVERYWHERE. My home value has gone up over 300K in the last 2 years.
 
Walt said:
Rents in Manhattan raised by 23% as people desperately try to get apartments in Manhattan. Can both of these exist in the same world? Sort of. People are moving out of Manhattan, but right now more people are moving in. Worse yet, many people who are moving out are only half moving out, and are keeping their apartments.

https://www.wealthmanagement.com/mu...ment-rents-hit-another-record-frenzied-market
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The article in the OP addresses three scenarios as to how population can drop and rents still rise.
 
I know cities turn into ideological battles but the behavior people display often shows how much more we are alike than different. I'll speak for San Francisco but I'm guessing its the same or very similar in most other big cities. People will get lip service to supporting public education but at the end of the day will put their kids in the best school possible, and often that's private. But for those who do go the public school route even some of them just got completely fed up with all the "we believe in science" rhetoric while schools stayed closed when science said it was ok to open and private schools were also open. They either put their kids in private school or moved out of the City.

This also helps explain how the population can drop (families moving out) but rents still rise (rich people without families moving in).
 
Walt said:
As a counter point, New York City rents have shot up by 20% as people try to get apartments in NYC. Part of that is that many of the people who have "left" are still keeping their apartments in NYC, but there has got to be a lot of people trying to move to NYC to make that much of a jump possible.

The fact remains, the metro areas are the productive parts of the USA. Telecommuting is not to the point that will change completely any time soon.
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Every time you post you just show your complete ignorance of what is actually going on.
 
Sailor said:
Why Americans Are Leaving Downtowns in Droves

https://www.theatlantic.com/newsletters/archive/2022/04/metro-areas-shrinking-population-loss/629665/

Pop quiz: What do the metros of New York City, Los Angeles, Chicago, Miami, Boston, Seattle, San Francisco, San Diego, Minneapolis–St. Paul, Philadelphia, and Washington, D.C., have in common?

They are all among the 20 largest metropolitan areas in the country. All of their populations were growing in 2011. And then, in 2021, they all shrank by a combined 900,000 people, according to an analysis of census data by the Brookings scholar William Frey. That’s an urban exodus nearly the size of two Wyomings.

The great metro shrinkage is part of a larger demographic story. Last year, the U.S. growth rate fell to a record low. The major drivers of population—migration and births—declined, while deaths soared in the pandemic. But America’s largest cities are getting the worst of this national trend. In the past three years, the net number of moves out of Manhattan has increased tenfold. In every urban county within the metros of New York City, Los Angeles, and San Francisco, immigration declined by at least 50 percent from 2018 to 2021. In downtown Detroit and Long Island, deaths actually exceeded births last year.
more at link.....

And of course all of those cities are run by democrats.....rats leaving a sinking ship.
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People Are Fleeing the Self-harm Progressives Inflicted on Their Own Cities


https://townhall.com/columnists/mic...ssives-inflicted-on-their-own-cities-n2606491
 
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