Who told us "socialized medicine" was bad?

[Ross Dolan]

Well, I see a win when the other side in a debate has nothing left but ad hominem and insults. That's where you're at. For example, I'll use this commonly trotted out "proof" that US healthcare is poor by world standards study.

Mirror, Mirror 2024: A Portrait of the Failing U.S. Health System

Analyze the 2024 "Mirror, Mirror" report to understand global health system performance and insights for improving health care quality and access.

www.commonwealthfund.org

Go to "Exhibit 1."

They use five (5) primary ratings:

Access to care
Care process
Administrative efficiency
Equity
Health outcomes

Access to care, administrative efficiency, and equity all heavily favor socialized medicine while having NOTHING, nada, zip-point-shit to do with the quality of the healthcare system a nation has. Those are a combination of managerial measures and DEI values, with "Equity" being particularly applicable to the later.

The one measurement that shows the quality of the healthcare system itself is "Care process." There, the US is, unsurprisingly, second (#2) on their survey.

Then there's "Health Outcomes." As the study notes further down:

The ongoing substance use crisis and the prevalence of gun violence in the U.S. contribute significantly to its poor outcomes, with more than 100,000 overdose deaths and 43,000 gun-related deaths in 2023 — numbers that are much higher than in other high-income countries.

They also included the Chinese Disease lockdown period in this measure. Their own study shows, by their measure, that Sweden who didn't lockdown at all, actually faired better than many countries that did. The study also has little or no problem apparently--from the wording they use--with nations that resorted to the most draconian and totalitarian measures during that panic, like say, Australia.

So, on this measure, their results are heavily skewed by including deaths not due to healthcare or the healthcare system, by including measures of equity and access, and in general skewing their ratings to heavily favor socialized, government run medicine.

We should be leading the world in outcome...and in low costs.

We are miserable in both.

Our healthcare sucks...highest costs per person in the world...and only mediocre results.

Up your game.

 

[Ichabod Stain]

We should be leading the world in outcome...and in low costs.

We are miserable in both.

Our healthcare sucks...highest costs per person in the world...and only mediocre results.

Up your game.

all the neocons have gone full fascist genocide with their support of big pharma.

never go full retard.

 

[Crepitus]

They try and feed us shit here in the US that those other countries don't allow in their food. You should move to Japan. Need help packing?

I have a pretty hard time in Japan. Everyone thinks I'm Yakuza.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

We should be leading the world in outcome...and in low costs.

We are miserable in both.

Our healthcare sucks...highest costs per person in the world...and only mediocre results.

Up your game.

I just showed you we have excellent outcomes from out healthcare system. Yes, it's expensive and it's use favors those that can afford it. Call it unfair if you want.

Maybe you can find someone to explain this to you with some crayons and small words, because right now, no amount of contrary evidence, like I used, is swaying your position based on nothing but bullshit fantasy beliefs seems to be working.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

I have a pretty hard time in Japan. Everyone thinks I'm Yakuza.

My bet is it's your facial tattoos that are the problem...

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Maybe you can find someone to explain this to you with some crayons and small words, because right now, no amount of contrary evidence, like I used, is swaying your position based on nothing but bullshit fantasy beliefs seems to be working.

IIrony

Well, I see a win when the other side in a debate has nothing left but ad hominem and insults.

 

[Ichabod Stain]

I have a pretty hard time in Japan. Everyone thinks I'm Yakuza.

because of your missing finger?

 

[Crepitus]

Argument from randU. Leftist propaganda is not data.

Every day or so I click on one of your "posts" to see if you have managed to improve yourself enough to be worthy of engaging with.

Every day or so I am forced to conclude "nope" is the only appropriate answer.

 

[Crepitus]

I

Irony.

Don't think that's what he was talking about. Most tRumplings are unable to grasp the concept of "irony".

 

[Crepitus]

My bet is it's your facial tattoos that are the problem...

YOu think you are being insulting, but you are half right. Nothing on my face, but both arms are pretty well covered.

 

[Into the Night]

Every day or so I click on one of your "posts" to see if you have managed to improve yourself enough to be worthy of engaging with.

Every day or so I am forced to conclude "nope" is the only appropriate answer.

Argument of the Stone fallacy. Bulverism fallacy.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Don't think that's what he was talking about. Most tRumplings are unable to grasp the concept of "irony".

Agreed on MAGA morons not understanding irony. They don't have a firm grip on sarcasm either except to use it as an excuse for being caught in a lie.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

YOu think you are being insulting, but you are half right. Nothing on my face, but both arms are pretty well covered.

Insults and ad hominems are all the MAGAts have when their are proven wrong.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

YOu think you are being insulting, but you are half right. Nothing on my face, but both arms are pretty well covered.

No, I thought I was being humorous. Insult humor is humor and not intended to be taken seriously by the target. I even added an emoji to point that out. As for your reply, being 'sleeved' in Asia is pretty much seen as something criminals do. Tattoos are not popular with the public at large there.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

No, I thought I was being humorous. Insult humor is humor and not intended to be taken seriously by the target. I even added an emoji to point that out. As for your reply, being 'sleeved' in Asia is pretty much seen as something criminals do. Tattoos are not popular with the public at large there.

QED on MAGAts claiming "I was just joking". You know, like when they tell a racist or misogynistic joke and held accountable for it by their superiors.

 

[Crepitus]

No, I thought I was being humorous. Insult humor is humor and not intended to be taken seriously by the target. I even added an emoji to point that out. As for your reply, being 'sleeved' in Asia is pretty much seen as something criminals do. Tattoos are not popular with the public at large there.

YOu tRumplings can't understand humor anymore. They remove that part of your brain to make room for the chip.

 

[Ross Dolan]

I just showed you we have excellent outcomes from out healthcare system. Yes, it's expensive and it's use favors those that can afford it. Call it unfair if you want.

Maybe you can find someone to explain this to you with some crayons and small words, because right now, no amount of contrary evidence, like I used, is swaying your position based on nothing but bullshit fantasy beliefs seems to be working.

You have gone completely nuts, TA. Seek help.

 

[Ichabod Stain]

WTF are you even talking about?

neocon fascism eventually turns into off topic cretinism.

 

[Ichabod Stain]

Wow, you really are a desperately lonely crazy crack smoking moron, aren't you? I know you love the word fascist, but just because you like how a word sounds or looks doesn't mean you should use it for anything you disagree with. When you do, you expose just how stupid you really are. Go make a friend and start a study group for the English language. I just trying to help, again.

I use it to describe a Union of state and corporate power which function to the detriment of society at large.

free market includes trust busting and basic law enforcement, you fucking criminal nazi depopulater.

you suck at thinking.

 

[Ichabod Stain]

P

Pharma is a part of healthcare, not all of it. There is plenty that is useful.

99% percent of chronic disease can be cured with dietary changes.

big pharma suppresses and ridicules these truths.

He doesn't know what 'fascism' means. He thinks it means 'union of corporate and government'

yes this is correct.

, whatever THAT means! Corporations, if course, are not government.

fascism is not the belief that corporation are government. straw man.

They are private businesses, each trying to make a profit to survive.

who have achieved state capture.

The only difference between a business owner and a corporation is that corporations have a constitution, called the corporate bylaws.

difference between business owner and corporation? nobody is mentioning that.

of course a business owner, as an individual, does not have a constitiin.

this is idiocy.

This document describes how many shares the corporation has to sell, how many can be sold by the founders, what happens if the corporation dissolves, how the board is established, etc.; but it IS just a business in the end. It is not government.

so? irrelevant.

none of this addresses the state capture and the corruption of science.

Fascism is just a form of socialism. It is government manipulation of markets. It is but a stepping stone on the way to another form of socialism, which is communism, or government ownership of markets. (Source: Karl Marx)

All socialism is based on theft of wealth.

Socialism never works. It always collapses in the end, and brings misery the whole time.

Capitalism is the only system that creates wealth.

you're so fucking idiotic.