Who is willing to go on record saying they believe the President can defy legal court orders?

Jarod said:
But the guy is in an El Salvadorian Prison. He had no right to go directly to the Supremes... So he has to go to E.S. Prison until the Supreme Court acts?

That is not Due Process as spelled out in the 5th Amendment.
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Illegal aliens are not citizens of the United States, Pretender. They broke the law. They are subject to deportation.
 
Jarod said:
So, if a person is determined to be a a member of a group called terrorists by the POTUS he has lost his Constitutional Due Process rights?
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Illegal aliens are not citizens of the United States, Pretender. They broke the law. They are subject to deportation.
 
Jarod said:
But the guy is in an El Salvadorian Prison. He had no right to go directly to the Supremes... So he has to go to E.S. Prison until the Supreme Court acts?
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Indeed. Do I think it was "right"? I think they were trying to get it done before the ruling setting up an instance that will get a ruling quickly from the SCOTUS. Do you think they'll be able to reverse this? Do you think El Salvadore would have taken them in without some evidence of their citizenship?
 
Jarod said:
The people are already in an El Salvadorian prison.
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How many were American citizens?

This reminds me of the Americans murdered in Chile with the help of the United States government.

www.nbcnews.com

Chile: U.S. Had Role In 'Missing' Killings of Two Americans

A Chilean court ruled U.S. officials played a key role in the death of two Americans, who case inspired the 1982 Oscar-winning movie "Missing."
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A Chilean court said U.S. military intelligence played a key role that led to the 1973 killings of two Americans, whose story inspired the 1982 Oscar-winning film "Missing." The court said former U.S. Navy Capt. Ray E. Davis gave Chilean officials information about journalist Charles Horman, 31, and student Frank Teruggi, 24, that led to their arrest and execution. This took place days after the 1973 coup that brought Gen. Augusto Pinochet to power. The movie "Missing" was about the search for Horman by his wife and father. The case was practically ignored in Chile until 2000, when Horman's widow Joyce filed a lawsuit against Pinochet. Courts in Chile thought Davis was living in Florida and had sought extradition, but he was secretly living in Chile and died there last year. "Judge Zepeda's ruling both implicates and incriminates U.S. intelligence personnel as playing a dark role in the murder of my husband," said Horman's widow Joyce. "My hope is that the record of evidence compiled by the court sheds further light on how and why Charles was targeted."
 
Into the Night said:
They are illegal aliens, Sybil.
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Damocles said:
Indeed. Do I think it was "right"? I think they were trying to get it done before the ruling setting up an instance that will get a ruling quickly from the SCOTUS. Do you think they'll be able to reverse this? Do you think El Salvadore would have taken them in without some evidence of their citizenship?
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They cannot reverse the time he has spent in an El Savadore Prison without the Protections of the Untied States Constitution. Trump braggs about that.

I do believe, paid enough, El Salvador will take anyone.
 
Jarod said:
They cannot reverse the time he has spent in an El Savadore Prison without the Protections of the Untied States Constitution. Trump braggs about that.

I do believe, paid enough, El Salvador will take anyone.
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Do you have evidence that they paid El Salvador?
 
Jarod said:
But the guy is in an El Salvadorian Prison. He had no right to go directly to the Supremes... So he has to go to E.S. Prison until the Supreme Court acts?

That is not Due Process as spelled out in the 5th Amendment.
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The guy is a foreign national. Deportation is an administrative remedy to his having been in the US illegally. If, as a deported foreign national, he feels his deportation was wrong, he can petition the US courts from wherever he is to remedy that matter. He is not entitled to remain in the US indefinitely while awaiting a final decision on that order of deportation.

This is akin to the "Wait in Mexico" policy regarding asylum hearings. You have no RIGHT to entry into the US to await a claim for asylum. You can wait in the first 'safe' country you enter, thus the "Wait in Mexico" policy being legal. Same thing with deportations. Argue that it was wrong from whatever country you were deported to.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
The guy is a foreign national. Deportation is an administrative remedy to his having been in the US illegally. If, as a deported foreign national, he feels his deportation was wrong, he can petition the US courts from wherever he is to remedy that matter. He is not entitled to remain in the US indefinitely while awaiting a final decision on that order of deportation.

This is akin to the "Wait in Mexico" policy regarding asylum hearings. You have no RIGHT to entry into the US to await a claim for asylum. You can wait in the first 'safe' country you enter, thus the "Wait in Mexico" policy being legal. Same thing with deportations. Argue that it was wrong from whatever country you were deported to.
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Who says he is a foreign national?
 
Jarod said:
Aliens have 5th Amendment and some 14th Amendment protections, legal or illegal.
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I agree, hence my assertion that they were trying to get things done before the ruling came down. They wanted them outside the jurisdiction of the court beforehand.

That being said, I also think the questions I asked will be the ones they will rule on. I do not think these 250 folks will ever come back to the US regardless.
 
Damocles said:
I agree, hence my assertion that they were trying to get things done before the ruling came down. They wanted them outside the jurisdiction of the court beforehand.

That being said, I also think the questions I asked will be the ones they will rule on. I do not think these 250 folks will ever come back to the US regardless.
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We agree.

So, is it your opinion nobody had the authority to prevent the president from doing this before a Court could rule?

If so, does that make the 5th Amendment meaningless in this incidence?
 
Jarod said:
We agree.

So, is it your opinion nobody had the authority to prevent the president from doing this before a Court could rule?

If so, does that make the 5th Amendment meaningless in this incidence?
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I think it shows what coequal means. One branch cannot push the other around. I think that was proven back in the day though when Andrew Jackson flat ignored SCOTUS rulings and believed that the Executive has as much right to interpret the constitution as the Judicial branch.
 
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