Who is willing to defend United Airlines?
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Airstrip One
Completely Effed
What are their basic talking points?
They say airlines have to overbook to survive. That this man was being uncooperative and delaying everyone. That the only way to fairly get him off the airplane was to use force. I'm shocked people are defending the airline even my archconservative friends on here or not doing that.
A lot of conflicting stories going around...
Was it really about overbooking or was it only because United wanted seats for their employees ?
Did he and his wife already accept $800 each to give up their seats and then he changed his mind and returned to his seat ?
The man certainly was being uncooperative when ask to leave the plane....
No matter, United had no right to assault the man and cause the injuries he claims,...
what is the airline to do when a passenger refuses to follow their request to leave the plane....should a passenger just be allowed to sit there indifferently...???
Does his rights rule over the airlines, or theirs rule over his ?
All in all, United is going pay a huge price for this....both in pr and in a big lawsuit....
I don't know the answers to your questions. The facts as I understand them are that United needed four seats on the full plane for employees who had to be at work the next day early. They asked for volunteers offering a night in a hotel and $400 later $800. Not enough people took the offer so they randomly picked this man for removal as the terms of the small print on his ticket allow them to do. He refused so they called the police. The man continued to refuse politely, and so the officer forcefully removed him, knocking him down in the process, knocking out two teeth and breaking his nose.
If those are the facts....
What are your thoughts on United's policy?
What are your thoughts on the police enforcing United's policy?
What do you think they should have done.
I think the rights of a individual overrule the rights of a corporation in most circumstances.
A passenger should be forced to leave only when he poses a danger or when they have delivered him to his legal destination, in my opinion.
I could have made this argument but they didnt overbook for paying customers.... They overbooked so they could ferry their employees around.
So it was not 'overbooking'.....and
Are they all the facts...??
Did he first accept the offer and then change his mind...?
Police weren't involved from what I gather, it was airport security that forceably removed the guy...
Does he have the right to refuse, does everyone have the right to refuse airline requests on their airplane ?
Either way, they had no right to cause that kind of injury ..... and will pay big time.....
Now l'll take the bait and give you some ammo to argue with....
Don't the airline have the right to refuse service to anyone they choose to....just like bakers, barbers and bartenders....WE ALL have rights of association don't we?
I would defend them for all the obvious reasons but I just saw a compelling case the other day by some youtuber lawyer that UA actually didn't account for this situation in their airline contract. It's a fine print thing. But under normal circumstances I would absolutely defend them.
the contract allows everything up to preventing people to board due to overbooking but once the person is on the plane they dont account for that in the fine print
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It's being reported that at first him and his wife considered United's offer, but he then declined when it was revealed that the next flight wasn't until the next day; because he was expected back to see patients.
I did not hear the story about the guy accepting then changing his mind. I don't think that is true.
It was airport Police, employees of the City and fully sworn police.
I think an airline can refuse service to anyone, until they have sold the ticket, at that point people reasonably rely on the ticket. If safety becomes a factor then I think they can refuse service, if the customer is say... drunk, or joking about terrorism, or threatening other passengers, or something like that.
Why? You think its okay for them to deny service even after they have sold a ticket?
Is it okay to use taxpayer police to remove him even thought he has a ticket?
What if my 18 year old daughter had a round way ticket to Hong Kong, and they decided for an arbitrary reason they were not going to fly her home after flying her there?
When you buy a ticket you explicitly agree to the terms within. You are agreeing to a contract. If this contract says you need to obey our commands then that is what you have to do. If you don't want to do that, don't buy the ticket.
Yes if the ticket allows this.
tough shit for you and your daughter. That is the risk you take every time you buy an airline ticket.
Overbooking is a thing that everyone knows about and knows that there is a chance it could affect them
So the ticket means nothing if the airline has the final say in accommodating you, ie, they have the right to use their discretion in allowing you on the plane....
Interesting ain't it ?
Airport security or airport 'police' have no authority outside the airport do they ?
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All of this speculation of whether the airline had the right or not, will apparently be decided when it gets to Court.
If the ticket says you have to be cooperative and the CEO hops on the plane and demands a Blow Job, are you required to suck him off?
I dont know where their authority ends.
Who pays the airport police salary is irrelevant.....for $35, $40 an hour they earn, they still have no right to assault you....
the ticket outlines what you have to cooperate with