Who is the real extremist on abortion?

Really. This nation is on the verge of economic collapse and your biggest concern is an old lie that has surfaced again? Really?
 
It's no more so a biggest concern than all of the other issues that keep coming up that don't concern the economy. That said, Obama didn't vote against the bill, eh?
 
deleting my summary of what he said, because in the next post I found an audio recording and transcript of what he said....
 
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I watched the video. Correct me if I'm wrong but at the very end it says the bill "failed to pass constitutional requirements." So even though the majority of the Illinois Senate voted to support the bill Obama voted against it having the insight to know it wouldn't pass constitutional requirements. Are you condemning Obama for being more knowledgeable than the majority of the Senate members and respecting constitutional requirements?

(This was in reply to the original post.)
 
apple0154 said:
So even though the majority of the Illinois Senate voted to support the bill Obama voted against it having the insight to know it wouldn't pass constitutional requirements.
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you have apparently missed something.....the US congress passed the identical bill at the federal level and it still remains law....
 
apple0154 said:
I watched the video. Correct me if I'm wrong but at the very end it says the bill "failed to pass constitutional requirements." So even though the majority of the Illinois Senate voted to support the bill Obama voted against it having the insight to know it wouldn't pass constitutional requirements. Are you condemning Obama for being more knowledgeable than the majority of the Senate members and respecting constitutional requirements?

(This was in reply to the original post.)
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If that was the basis of OWEdummyfucker voting against it, you might have an argument, but it wasn't his reasoning. He feels, like many demalquedacrats do that there should be NO LIMITS on abortion which is out of step with the American people. Of course you wouldn't know that because

a) you agree with him
b) the lame stream media doesn't really report on things that make the demalquedacrats/OWEdummyfucker look bad

If you want proof, maybe you can tell me how many news reports you have seen of the democrat have blowing an underage boy. If it was a republican nobody would be talking about Aiken. But, the media must protect demalquedacrats at all costs.
 
FactsRStubborn said:
If that was the basis of OWEdummyfucker voting against it, you might have an argument, but it wasn't his reasoning. He feels, like many demalquedacrats do that there should be NO LIMITS on abortion which is out of step with the American people. Of course you wouldn't know that because

a) you agree with him
b) the lame stream media doesn't really report on things that make the demalquedacrats/OWEdummyfucker look bad

If you want proof, maybe you can tell me how many news reports you have seen of the democrat have blowing an underage boy. If it was a republican nobody would be talking about Aiken. But, the media must protect demalquedacrats at all costs.
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There shouldn't be any limits on abortion because they will be exploited by anti-abortionists. Look at that case in California where a pregnant woman was murdered. The prosecution took a horrific crime and included the fetus as the second human being that was murdered. Of course the jury was outraged at the man and wanted to punish him to the max so they included the fetus as a victim resulting in fetuses being considered human beings. One can bet somewhere, somehow that is going to come up and be used as an argument against abortion. It sets a precedent. That is the tactic of the anti-abortionists and people are aware of that. No compromise is possible so there's no point in any attempt. Any compromise would be exploited to further deny abortions.

I certainly don't support a live birth being left on a shelf to die and I doubt very few people do. I have suggested the fetus should be sedated in all cases. That would solve the problem of live births, the silent scream, etc. Clamp the umbilical cord to separate the fetus from the woman and sedate the fetus. As it's being removed from the woman's body employ euthanasia to ensure there won't be a live birth. If the real concern is the fetus' suffering that can be dealt with. But the question remains, "Is the suffering the primary concern of the anti-abortionist or is it just another ruse to be used to condemn abortion?"

Regarding your Aiken comment I'm afraid I'm not up to speed on that. I did a quick Google but didn't find anything. One thing I have noticed is some folks like to include the under age topic in discussions such as this one and gay marriage. It's that old trick of associating something most people are against with a topic that has nothing to do with it thereby trying to make a connection/transfer feelings and attitudes from one to the other.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
you have apparently missed something.....the US congress passed the identical bill at the federal level and it still remains law....
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Obama wasn't voting at the federal level and it was decided the bill didn't pass constitutional requirements according to those folks in Illinois and that's where he was voting so let's keep it in perspective. In any case Obama probably realized a good law can sometimes lead to bad consequences. The systematic attack on abortion rights must be checked at every turn.
 
apple0154 said:
There shouldn't be any limits on abortion because they will be exploited by anti-abortionists. Look at that case in California where a pregnant woman was murdered. The prosecution took a horrific crime and included the fetus as the second human being that was murdered. Of course the jury was outraged at the man and wanted to punish him to the max so they included the fetus as a victim resulting in fetuses being considered human beings. One can bet somewhere, somehow that is going to come up and be used as an argument against abortion. It sets a precedent. That is the tactic of the anti-abortionists and people are aware of that. No compromise is possible so there's no point in any attempt. Any compromise would be exploited to further deny abortions.

I certainly don't support a live birth being left on a shelf to die and I doubt very few people do. I have suggested the fetus should be sedated in all cases. That would solve the problem of live births, the silent scream, etc. Clamp the umbilical cord to separate the fetus from the woman and sedate the fetus. As it's being removed from the woman's body employ euthanasia to ensure there won't be a live birth. If the real concern is the fetus' suffering that can be dealt with. But the question remains, "Is the suffering the primary concern of the anti-abortionist or is it just another ruse to be used to condemn abortion?"

Regarding your Aiken comment I'm afraid I'm not up to speed on that. I did a quick Google but didn't find anything. One thing I have noticed is some folks like to include the under age topic in discussions such as this one and gay marriage. It's that old trick of associating something most people are against with a topic that has nothing to do with it thereby trying to make a connection/transfer feelings and attitudes from one to the other.
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I can only presume you have never had a child.

Also there was a time when democrats talked about coloreds the way you talk about an unborn child.

You like Hitler have a long history of dehumanizing your fellow citizens.

Have you no shame?
 
apple0154 said:
There shouldn't be any limits on abortion because they will be exploited by anti-abortionists. Look at that case in California where a pregnant woman was murdered. The prosecution took a horrific crime and included the fetus as the second human being that was murdered. Of course the jury was outraged at the man and wanted to punish him to the max so they included the fetus as a victim resulting in fetuses being considered human beings. One can bet somewhere, somehow that is going to come up and be used as an argument against abortion. It sets a precedent. That is the tactic of the anti-abortionists and people are aware of that. No compromise is possible so there's no point in any attempt. Any compromise would be exploited to further deny abortions.

I certainly don't support a live birth being left on a shelf to die and I doubt very few people do. I have suggested the fetus should be sedated in all cases. That would solve the problem of live births, the silent scream, etc. Clamp the umbilical cord to separate the fetus from the woman and sedate the fetus. As it's being removed from the woman's body employ euthanasia to ensure there won't be a live birth. If the real concern is the fetus' suffering that can be dealt with. But the question remains, "Is the suffering the primary concern of the anti-abortionist or is it just another ruse to be used to condemn abortion?"

Regarding your Aiken comment I'm afraid I'm not up to speed on that. I did a quick Google but didn't find anything. One thing I have noticed is some folks like to include the under age topic in discussions such as this one and gay marriage. It's that old trick of associating something most people are against with a topic that has nothing to do with it thereby trying to make a connection/transfer feelings and attitudes from one to the other.
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I read your post again an found it chilling that someone could talk about and dehumanize another human being that way. You say it like you are talking about a pimple. You are sick and would have fit quite nicely with Hitlers death squads. I am sure they too thought of ways to limit the suffering of those less than human jews
 
apple0154 said:
Obama wasn't voting at the federal level and it was decided the bill didn't pass constitutional requirements according to those folks in Illinois
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actually, it wasn't decided it didn't pass constitutional requirements....if I'm not mistaken, the same bill passed in Illinois the year after Obama left....
 
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