Who has more faith

Who has more faith

  • A guy who stand's beside his wacky preacher for some time

    Votes: 2 22.2%
  • Or somebody who just started showing up at church a couple weeks ago

    Votes: 7 77.8%

  • Total voters
    9
  • Poll closed .
I just don't understand why the religious reich supports McCain?

Well, remember what Dixie said about blindly following someone whacky? He inadvertently answered your question.

Religious fundies like Dixie aren't capable of independent or critical thought (at least not thought critical of their own views). We're all impeeded at that to some degree, but Dixie is legendarily stone-headed about his viewpoints. Even when he's all but proven wrong, he'll argue and twist and spin until he can make an escape.

Though the fact that he's been posting less often indicates to me that he's begun to feel... shame. A human emotion, I know. We never thought it possible, but it would appear that he is becoming self aware.
 
This is a great example of the anti-intellectualism that McCain seems to be a big proponent of. No wonder Dixie likes him so much. McCain is proud of his ignorant base. Dixie is proud to be part of his ignorant base.

LMAO... I have already stated that I wasn't supporting either of the two major political candidates. And pointing out that "poseur" is not a word, only to be given a link to a "wiki-style" dictionary, where people make up their own words, and even then, it was still spelled incorrectly...(posuer) that doesn't make me less intellectual than the moron who posted that stupid shit.

Religious fundies like Dixie aren't capable of independent or critical thought

Well, I don't belong to any organized religion, and I think you need to be, in order to be considered a "religious fundie." By the looks of the responses I get, it seems I am about the only one here capable of independent thought.

Though the fact that he's been posting less often indicates to me that he's begun to feel... shame.

Shows how ignorant you are, I have not posted less since I returned about a month ago. I did take a long break from posting here, or anywhere, just needed to get away from it for a while. I must say though, the level of debate has really taken a nosedive here. Once was a time Stringy would actually post as if he had something between his ears besides peanut butter. Only a few morons, like yourself, were so devoid of thought they couldn't do anything other than respond with flurries of pejoratives and insults. Now, that seems to pass as "owning" the debate around here.
 
Amazing. You're even 100 percent wrong about yourself - the one thing you should be sure about.

Suddenly, you're capable of independent thought and you're not a religious fundie (anyone who knows your posts knows thats a joke).
 
don't you mean "freedom bread"?

No, I mean French Bread. But if someone wants to sell me French Bread and call it Freedom Bread instead, I am all for it. Doesn't bother me a bit... 'course, I'm not a Frenchy-frenchman like you. Sorry to hurt your fewwins, Pierre.

pouvez-vous bon me pardonner ?
 
Amazing. You're even 100 percent wrong about yourself - the one thing you should be sure about.

Suddenly, you're capable of independent thought and you're not a religious fundie (anyone who knows your posts knows thats a joke).

:lmao: This is tooo funny! How can I be wrong about me? LOL!!

I think you are thinking of someone else who might be a 'religious fundie' and incapable of 'independent thought'. I am a Spiritualist, does that now pass for "religious fundie" in your lexicon? My thoughts are wholly independent of any particular group or organization, I pretty much think for myself and form my opinions based on what I know, and sometimes change those opinions if new information is obtained. I think this is pretty close to "independent thought" no matter what kind of wacky dictionary you are using in pinhead land.
 
Why is that Waterhead? Because I sometimes present arguments that are pro-life or against the anti-christian atheist scum? Most of you don't realize this, but I pick a side to argue based on what I feel needs defending. It's not always my personal viewpoint or opinion, if I feel like the 'other side' has a legitimate point, I don't mind making it to some narrow-minded idiot here. I've got nothing to lose, don't need to prove myself, don't need attention like you do, I just like to have a good debate over a passionate subject with passionate people.

It's gotten almost ridiculous here though, no one seems to know how to "debate" anymore, it's like you just forgot how to do that through the Bush years or something. Now, it's more or less a 'contest' to see who can insult the other the worst/best. No substance, no points of relevance, just mindless yammering back and forth, name-calling and insult upon unfounded insult. I guess Bush taught you that if you hoot down the opposition long enough, they simply throw up their hands and leave, but you aren't effecting change or hope... and you Democrim's better get used to doing that!
 
Yeah, or sometimes you defend ID until you look like a moron, then you keep doing it anyway.


Nahh, don't have to "defend" it... the truth never needs defending.

I do like pointing out how Einstein believed in the possibility, and if it was good enough for him to consider, it's good enough for my consideration as well.

But you see, the thing is, ID doesn't necessarily mean God or Religion. It only means Intelligent. You jump to the conclusion Intelligence must come from a God or is somehow rooted to Religion and religious belief. This is an assumption I never attempt to make, only the possibility of Intelligence.

Your hatred for God and Religion keeps you from being an objective scientist. You refuse to accept anything you can relate to a "religious" perception, and immediately dismiss it as "foolish" or "moronic" and you continue to close your mind to the possibilities. I merely try to shed some light into your closed mind.
 
Nahh, don't have to "defend" it... the truth never needs defending.

I do like pointing out how Einstein believed in the possibility, and if it was good enough for him to consider, it's good enough for my consideration as well.

But you see, the thing is, ID doesn't necessarily mean God or Religion. It only means Intelligent. You jump to the conclusion Intelligence must come from a God or is somehow rooted to Religion and religious belief. This is an assumption I never attempt to make, only the possibility of Intelligence.

Your hatred for God and Religion keeps you from being an objective scientist. You refuse to accept anything you can relate to a "religious" perception, and immediately dismiss it as "foolish" or "moronic" and you continue to close your mind to the possibilities. I merely try to shed some light into your closed mind.

Uh Dixie, not to kidnap this forum into an ID discussion but it's your lack of understanding of what science is and the scientific method that prevents you from being an objective scientist.

The problem with ID, from a scientific stand point, has nothing to do with religion or politics. That's a discussion for when ID advocates attempt to by pass science and advocate ID's being taught as science.

The real problem of ID that I see, as an objective biologist, is that it provides me with absolutely no practical tools for advancing the knowledge of how living systems function. In fact it doesn't even stand up to the most basic tenets of the scientific method.

Does ID model natural behavior? No it models the supernatural.

Does it make any useful or practical predictions about living systems that can be tested? No it doesn't.

Since it doesn't make any useful or practical predictions that can be tested, then it goes with out saying that ID cannot be independently verified by others.

Is ID tentative? Can it be falsified? Not really, if you can't demonstrate that this intelligence actually exist, then you cannot, in principle, demonstrate that it actually doesn't exist either.

Do ID supporters publish peer reviewed scholarly articles presenting research that presents evidence for ID? There's none that I'm aware of.

The real problem with ID is that it is a science stopper. When, as a biologist, I ask. "Why does a living system behave in a certain manner?" to say "because it was intelligently designed that way" stops furthering knowledge in it's tracks. There's no need at that point to understand structure, function and the dynamics of that living system any further as ID tells us the answer is, "It was designed that way.".

I oppose intelligent design, as an objective scientist, because it provides so little, if anything, of value to science. It has no practical use.

I'm hostile towards ID because it's supporters essentially are anti-intellectuals who reject the enlightenment values of naturalism, materialism and reason.

and none of that has anything to do with my religious views.
 
Uh Dixie, not to kidnap this forum into an ID discussion but it's your lack of understanding of what science is and the scientific method that prevents you from being an objective scientist.

The problem with ID, from a scientific stand point, has nothing to do with religion or politics. That's a discussion for when ID advocates attempt to by pass science and advocate ID's being taught as science.

The real problem of ID that I see, as an objective biologist, is that it provides me with absolutely no practical tools for advancing the knowledge of how living systems function. In fact it doesn't even stand up to the most basic tenets of the scientific method.

Does ID model natural behavior? No it models the supernatural.

Does it make any useful or practical predictions about living systems that can be tested? No it doesn't.

Since it doesn't make any useful or practical predictions that can be tested, then it goes with out saying that ID cannot be independently verified by others.

Is ID tentative? Can it be falsified? Not really, if you can't demonstrate that this intelligence actually exist, then you cannot, in principle, demonstrate that it actually doesn't exist either.

Do ID supporters publish peer reviewed scholarly articles presenting research that presents evidence for ID? There's none that I'm aware of.

The real problem with ID is that it is a science stopper. When, as a biologist, I ask. "Why does a living system behave in a certain manner?" to say "because it was intelligently designed that way" stops furthering knowledge in it's tracks. There's no need at that point to understand structure, function and the dynamics of that living system any further as ID tells us the answer is, "It was designed that way.".

I oppose intelligent design, as an objective scientist, because it provides so little, if anything, of value to science. It has no practical use.

I'm hostile towards ID because it's supporters essentially are anti-intellectuals who reject the enlightenment values of naturalism, materialism and reason.

and none of that has anything to do with my religious views.

Good post Mott.
 
You can't tell. A person standing next to a "wacky" preacher for a long period may have no faith at all and have other reasons for standing there or leaving, while a new convert may be filled with a powerful faith. Your poll question is not clear enough.
 
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