White House wants to add new racial category for Middle Eastern people

maybe they can get affirmative action. or some government goodies/preferences.

That's the whole point---it's another class of victim for democrats to pander to.

I think Appalachian American warrants its own racial category lol. Like that would ever happen.
 
Originally Posted by sear View Post
I have absolute zero information on the actual scientific validity of the distinction. So I can't comment on the validity of it.

BUT !!

If it's valid, and I have no reliable proof that the distinction it refers to is not scientifically valid, then;

wrong.
There's a difference between the fact of the race, and the socio-political recognition of it. Obama isn't creating a new race. He's reportedly advocating formally recognizing a distinction that already exists.

I'm neither endorsing nor condemning Obama's objective. But at least I think we should be candid about the reality of it.

"You prove my point. You could conjure up a 'race' for any physical distinction: your imagination is the only limit. You can make a race out of red heads and it would be just as scientifically valid as Caucasian or whatever.
The left is irredeemably race-obsessed and gender-obsessed. Maybe someone should inform them their obsessions are scientifically meaningless lol. Look at all the absurd gender categories they dreamt up just so they can have some more 'victims' to rescue in their absurd social justice crusade." #13


To address a few of these errors individually:
"You could conjure up a 'race' for any physical distinction: your imagination is the only limit."
I gather that's factually false.

- People whose shoes don't match their belt? Not a "race".
- Cancer patients? They may have something not merely biologically, but genetically in common. Genetics is what separates humans from mice. BUT !! Cancer patients are not their own race.

The following is not a scientific resource; merely an authoritative language reference:
Negro (nê´gro) noun
plural Negroes
A member of a major human racial division traditionally distinguished by physical characteristics such as brown to black pigmentation and often tightly curled hair, especially one of various peoples of sub-Saharan Africa. *
It's absolutely true that red hair is a distinguishing physical (& perhaps genetic) characteristic. Your assertion that it's sufficient to constitute a legitimate racial classification is not supported by any literature I've ever read on the subject.
"The left is irredeemably race-obsessed and gender-obsessed."
I'll dodge your pitfall, and substitute the word "Democrat" for your word "left", simply to clarify the distinction.
Blacks are ~13% of the population.
The United States of America has had 44 U.S. presidents.
If there was equality under law, commerce, and government, then why would not 13% of these 44 presidents have been Black? They weren't.

By my math 1 in 44 is 2%, not 13%.
And while we're at it, the Democrats are also the first to nominate a female as a presidential candidate, and females are reportedly a majority of the population.
"The left is irredeemably race-obsessed and gender-obsessed."
And look at progress they have made as a result!

Thank you DHO for so courteously acknowledging the superiority, the fidelity, the humanity of the Democrat party. I'm sure they'd appreciate it.

“... Reince Priebus, the Republican National Chairman today said that 300K jobs ... aught to be expected every month ... and just a historical perspective:
- during the 8 years of President Bush (younger) there were 2.1 million net jobs created in the United States. Of the 2.1 million, 1.8 million of them were in the public sector ... that means there were 300,000 jobs in the private sector in 8 months, in 8 years rather, net ...
more jobs have been created in the United States in the last 4 years than in Europe, Japan, all the industrialized modern world combined. ...
70 years since WWII. 36 years of Republican presidents, 34 years of Democratic presidents. In those 70 years, there were 36.7 million jobs created under Republican presidents ... a little over half the time. In 34 years there were 63.7 million created by Democrats. That's 29 million more. You know, perhaps it's an accident once, or twice or what. But I mean at some point the Democrats ought to be comfort in the fact that they have been better the economy and job creation than have been the opposition.
...
It's 15 years since we've had 10 consecutive months of over 200,000 [job growth]. Just 15 years ago there was a fella from Arkansas ... there were more jobs created in Bill Clinton's 8 years than there were in Ronald Reagan's 8 years, and the 12 years of both Bush's combined. I mean 6 million more jobs created in those 8 years, ... policy does kick in, & is reflected in the results.” Mark Shields

~Thurs. Aug. 25, 2016 on CBS / Stephen Colbert, interview guest and Hillary Clinton VP running-mate Senator Tim Kaine was asked about Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump's then recent accusation that “Hillary Clinton's a bigot.” Senator Kaine replied:
“When Hillary Clinton got out of law school she was workin' to help advance racial justice in the juvenile justice system in South Carolina, and fight school segregation in Alabama. And I about that time got out of school and was battling housing discrimination in the South, & in Virginia.
At his early career Donald Trump was a real estate guy who got sued by the Justice Department for discriminating against people in housing, writing the letter “C” on applications if they were minority. Umm, he ... Hillary Clinton's got a track-record all the way back to being a middle-schooler in a Methodist youth group of trying to advance priorities for others. And Donald Trump's for himself.” [& has said so explicitly]
Senator (and 2016 Democrat VP candidate) Tim Kaine


* Excerpted from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Third Edition © 1996 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Electronic version licensed from INSO Corporation; further reproduction and distribution in accordance with the Copyright Law of the United States. All rights reserved.
 
Originally Posted by sear View Post
I have absolute zero information on the actual scientific validity of the distinction. So I can't comment on the validity of it.

BUT !!

If it's valid, and I have no reliable proof that the distinction it refers to is not scientifically valid, then;

wrong.
There's a difference between the fact of the race, and the socio-political recognition of it. Obama isn't creating a new race. He's reportedly advocating formally recognizing a distinction that already exists.

I'm neither endorsing nor condemning Obama's objective. But at least I think we should be candid about the reality of it.

"You prove my point. You could conjure up a 'race' for any physical distinction: your imagination is the only limit. You can make a race out of red heads and it would be just as scientifically valid as Caucasian or whatever.
The left is irredeemably race-obsessed and gender-obsessed. Maybe someone should inform them their obsessions are scientifically meaningless lol. Look at all the absurd gender categories they dreamt up just so they can have some more 'victims' to rescue in their absurd social justice crusade." #13


To address a few of these errors individually:

I gather that's factually false.

- People whose shoes don't match their belt? Not a "race".
- Cancer patients? They may have something not merely biologically, but genetically in common. Genetics is what separates humans from mice. BUT !! Cancer patients are not their own race.

The following is not a scientific resource; merely an authoritative language reference:

It's absolutely true that red hair is a distinguishing physical (& perhaps genetic) characteristic. Your assertion that it's sufficient to constitute a legitimate racial classification is not supported by any literature I've ever read on the subject.

I'll dodge your pitfall, and substitute the word "Democrat" for your word "left", simply to clarify the distinction.
Blacks are ~13% of the population.
The United States of America has had 44 U.S. presidents.
If there was equality under law, commerce, and government, then why would not 13% of these 44 presidents have been Black? They weren't.

By my math 1 in 44 is 2%, not 13%.
And while we're at it, the Democrats are also the first to nominate a female as a presidential candidate, and females are reportedly a majority of the population.

And look at progress they have made as a result!

Thank you DHO for so courteously acknowledging the superiority, the fidelity, the humanity of the Democrat party. I'm sure they'd appreciate it.

“... Reince Priebus, the Republican National Chairman today said that 300K jobs ... aught to be expected every month ... and just a historical perspective:
- during the 8 years of President Bush (younger) there were 2.1 million net jobs created in the United States. Of the 2.1 million, 1.8 million of them were in the public sector ... that means there were 300,000 jobs in the private sector in 8 months, in 8 years rather, net ...
more jobs have been created in the United States in the last 4 years than in Europe, Japan, all the industrialized modern world combined. ...
70 years since WWII. 36 years of Republican presidents, 34 years of Democratic presidents. In those 70 years, there were 36.7 million jobs created under Republican presidents ... a little over half the time. In 34 years there were 63.7 million created by Democrats. That's 29 million more. You know, perhaps it's an accident once, or twice or what. But I mean at some point the Democrats ought to be comfort in the fact that they have been better the economy and job creation than have been the opposition.
...
It's 15 years since we've had 10 consecutive months of over 200,000 [job growth]. Just 15 years ago there was a fella from Arkansas ... there were more jobs created in Bill Clinton's 8 years than there were in Ronald Reagan's 8 years, and the 12 years of both Bush's combined. I mean 6 million more jobs created in those 8 years, ... policy does kick in, & is reflected in the results.” Mark Shields

~Thurs. Aug. 25, 2016 on CBS / Stephen Colbert, interview guest and Hillary Clinton VP running-mate Senator Tim Kaine was asked about Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump's then recent accusation that “Hillary Clinton's a bigot.” Senator Kaine replied:
“When Hillary Clinton got out of law school she was workin' to help advance racial justice in the juvenile justice system in South Carolina, and fight school segregation in Alabama. And I about that time got out of school and was battling housing discrimination in the South, & in Virginia.
At his early career Donald Trump was a real estate guy who got sued by the Justice Department for discriminating against people in housing, writing the letter “C” on applications if they were minority. Umm, he ... Hillary Clinton's got a track-record all the way back to being a middle-schooler in a Methodist youth group of trying to advance priorities for others. And Donald Trump's for himself.” [& has said so explicitly]
Senator (and 2016 Democrat VP candidate) Tim Kaine


* Excerpted from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Third Edition © 1996 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Electronic version licensed from INSO Corporation; further reproduction and distribution in accordance with the Copyright Law of the United States. All rights reserved.

You're over thinking this lol.

Ok, if race isn't a scientific term, what is it? It's a linguistic convention. I don't know of any 'rules' that apply to signifying race other than physical characteristics that are shared by a population of humans.

There's little in the way of right or wrong to it beyond that. As a matter of convention, we've gotten used to Caucasian, Negroid etc since the terms were put into use around Darwins time.

There isn't any reason 'Red Heads' couldn't be considered a race: you only need enough people to start using the term.
 
"You're over thinking this lol.
Ok, if race isn't a scientific term, what is it? It's a linguistic convention." DHO
It may or may not be a linguistic convention.
Either way, it's also a social distinction.

The U.S. has a long and unsavory history of discriminating against dark-skinned persons. The United States Constitution's Art.1 Sect.2 considered Negroes 3/5 of a person. They were not deemed citizens. And though the Civil War ended in 1865, approximate equality wasn't achieved for another century.

The distinction is real.
If the word "race" is a misnomer, that's fine. The word doesn't negate reality.
"I don't know of any"
Neither do I.
But I don't deny reality; even if I'm a layman on the subject.
"There's little in the way of right or wrong to it beyond that. As a matter of convention, we've gotten used to Caucasian, Negroid etc since the terms were put into use around Darwins time.
There isn't any reason 'Red Heads' couldn't be considered a race: you only need enough people to start using the term."
"Red-head lives matter!"?

If there was a statistically verifiable trend of severe discrimination against such persons, perhaps there would be.

DHO, buddy:
"If you will the end, you must will the means to that end." conservative syndicated columnist and former Republican George Will
The ostensible objective here is equality. Here's how our Constitution phrases it:
PREAMBLE:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence [defense], promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
 
It may or may not be a linguistic convention.
Either way, it's also a social distinction.

The U.S. has a long and unsavory history of discriminating against dark-skinned persons. The United States Constitution's Art.1 Sect.2 considered Negroes 3/5 of a person. They were not deemed citizens. And though the Civil War ended in 1865, approximate equality wasn't achieved for another century.

The distinction is real.
If the word "race" is a misnomer, that's fine. The word doesn't negate reality.

Neither do I.
But I don't deny reality; even if I'm a layman on the subject.

"Red-head lives matter!"?

If there was a statistically verifiable trend of severe discrimination against such persons, perhaps there would be.

DHO, buddy:

The ostensible objective here is equality. Here's how our Constitution phrases it:

Ever hear of the phrase 'getting beat like a red headed step child'?

SJW's where are you lol?
 
Sorry shitbag, the article still talks about race:

The White House is putting forward a proposal to add a new racial category for people from the Middle East and North Africa under what would be the biggest realignment of federal racial definitions in decades.

If approved, the new designation could appear on census forms in 2020 and could have far-reaching implications for racial identity, anti-discrimination laws and health research.


This means everyone still considers them a race, even though they are also an ethnicity, as well as a religion. Well, everyone considers them a race except for you, but then, you are desperate for a win.

Now go find a goat and worship it. ;)

Middle eastern people aren't a religion. There are people from the middle east who aren't Muslims, and people from outside the Middle East who are.
 
Currently they are classified as white, although for all practical purposes they are the most discriminated against minority in the nation and no one considers them white. They should have their own, protected racial category, to protect them from racist KKK members.
 
Currently they are classified as white, although for all practical purposes they are the most discriminated against minority in the nation and no one considers them white. They should have their own, protected racial category, to protect them from racist KKK members.

That's it, they need protected lol. From the KKK, who could barely fill a large high school football stadium.
 
" they need protected lol. From the KKK, who could barely fill a large high school football stadium. " #32
UBL couldn't fill a football stadium.
Yet he killed thousands in a single day.
 
That's the whole point---it's another class of victim for democrats to pander to.

I think Appalachian American warrants its own racial category lol. Like that would ever happen.

They're already here, douchebag. They're just difficult to identify in a census because there's no category for them.

Jesus, what is wrong with your collective RW comprehension skills?
 
They're already here, douchebag. They're just difficult to identify in a census because there's no category for them.

Jesus, what is wrong with your collective RW comprehension skills?

Like there's a big difference between the Middle Eastern 'race' and the Appalachian American 'race' lol.

Are you trying to be funny on purpose?
 
90% of Libya is Arab ( berber)
what we call "egypt" is the Arab Republic of Egypt ( although Egyptians consider them selves to be Egyptians - not Arab
Morocco, Algeria, and Tunisia are Arab.

the rest of the Middle east ( with exception) is Arab.
 
90% of Libya is Arab ( berber)
what we call "egypt" is the Arab Republic of Egypt ( although Egyptians consider them selves to be Egyptians - not Arab
Morocco, Algeria, and Tunisia are Arab.

the rest of the Middle east ( with exception) is Arab.

Appalachian Americans are largely Scotch-Irish lol.
 
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