White evangelicals still see Trump as ethical and honest, but atheists know better A new survey shows that atheists are far more critical of Trump’s

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White evangelicals still see Trump as ethical and honest, but atheists know better​

A new survey shows that atheists are far more critical of Trump’s lies, corruption, and incompetence than white evangelicals​





100 days into his term, Donald Trump’s support is dropping even among many of his most fervent supporters. The reasons are obvious. He hasn’t done much of anything he campaigned on, and the stuff he has done is idiotic and destroying our country.

According to a new Pew Research Center survey, though, there’s one group of voters who continue standing by his side: White evangelicals.



Donald Trump, presumably lying about something (screenshot via YouTube)
Roughly 80% of them voted for Trump in 2024, representing 20% of the electorate, and that’s about the same number that supported him in the two previous presidential elections.

And today? 72% of white evangelicals approve of how Trump is doing, the highest percentage of any religious group in the country.



White evangelicals support Trump far more than white non-evangelical Christians (51%), white Catholics (51%), Black Protestants (10%), and people with no organized religious affiliation (26%). Furthermore, the drop in support for Trump since February has been smaller among white evangelicals compared to all other religious groups.

It just goes to show you that no amount of needless cruelty or massive lies will lead conservative Christians to waver in their support for Trump. Once you’ve convinced them to accept things on faith, they’re all in, no matter how much evidence there is to the contrary.

Just to reiterate that point, Pew researchers also asked survey participants how they felt about the ethical standards of top Trump officials—people like Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, who leaked classified secrets; Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., who is decimating our research capabilities while failing to contain an outbreak of measles; and Interior Secretary Doug Bergum, who is getting rid of the people who maintain our national parks.

On a scale of “poor” to “excellent,” 43% of all Americans say the ethics of this administration are poor.

But among white evangelicals? 34% say the ethics are “excellent” while another 35% say they’re “good.” That’s a total of nearly 7 in 10 white evangelicals who think the Trump administration’s ethics are above board. Both numbers are higher in their respective categories than every other religious demographic.



If nearly 70% of white evangelicals think this administration is ethical, no one should ever turn to a white evangelical pastor for guidance on how to live a moral life. They can’t spot immorality when it’s staring them in the face.

What about trusting Trump?

Once again, the sort of people who are more willing to believe the planet is roughly 6,000 years old, that Jesus came back from the dead, and that eating an apple caused all the sin in the world aren’t very good at picking up on obvious bullshit.

57% of white evangelicals say they trust Trump more than previous presidents. Compare that to 9% of Black Protestants, 18% of religiously unaffiliated Americans, and 37% of white Catholics.



When the majority of white evangelicals think Trump is trustworthy compared to his predecessors, there’s just no getting through to them. They’ll believe damn near anyone who’s white, male, and confident.

When I was looking at all this data, it didn’t surprise me that Trump was doing just fine with white evangelicals, who clearly don’t give a damn about their purported values even though Trump doesn’t adhere to them. They’ll overlook the whole “family values” thing if Trump is separating families. They’ll ignore the whole “care for the least of these” thing if Trump is punishing refugees who have nowhere else to turn.

It also didn’t surprise me he was underwater with the religious “nones.” But I was really curious where Trump stood with atheists in particular.

Exit polls in 2024 showed that only 27% of religiously unaffiliated voters supported Trump. The percentage for atheists is likely much smaller, though polling organizations have not published those numbers specifically.

So when Pew published the data on religious support (or lack thereof) for Trump, I asked them if they had the numbers for atheists as well. They did. And I can now share them exclusively with you.

(There’s one important caveat to all this: Because of the small sample size of atheist participants, there’s a much larger margin for error. In other words, the numbers for atheists are far less precise than the numbers we have for the different religious groups.)

Let’s start with approval for Trump overall. We know 72% of white evangelicals support him while only 26% of religiously unaffiliated Americans feel the same.

Among atheists, though? Support for Trump is at a dismal 15%. You have to be one of those clueless “Atheists for Liberty” types at this point to still think Trump is on the right track.



What about ethics? 69% of white evangelicals think the Trump administration’s ethical standards are “excellent” or “good.” Only 23% of the religiously unaffiliated feel the same way.

Among atheists, however, the number drops even lower to 14%. In fact, a whopping 80% of atheists say the administration’s ethical standards are “poor.”



And what about trusting Trump compared to previous presidents? 57% of white evangelicals say they trust Trump more than the alternatives while 18% of religiously unaffiliated Americans feel the same way.

But only 11% of atheists agreed. (And given the margin of error, it’s theoretically possible the true answer is much closer to 0%.)



Basically, no matter what question you ask about the quality of this presidency, white evangelicals overwhelmingly approve of Trump while atheists overwhelmingly reject him. No margin of error takes away from that basic fact.

Given the way the American public is fed up with his incompetence, with a majority of the country now disapproving of his presidency, it seems that atheists are far more representative of the public at large—ahead of them, arguably—than white evangelicals.

We’re the ones whose patriotism shouldn’t be questioned, whose demand for quality isn’t subject to a right-wing purity test, and whose respect for the unappreciated work done by federal workers should be admired by the rest of the country.

If Democrats wants to recapture Congress and win the presidency, it would be smart of them to start by reaching out to their most loyal voters—Secular Americans—and openly advocate for church/state separation, funding of scientific research, accountability for all employees, acceptance of reason-based policies, and a return to actual goddamn morality as pillars of what the party represents moving forward. The Congressional Freethought Caucus is already doing this, but the entire party ought to follow suit.
 
It is apparent that the educational propaganda of the churches still works. The followers still follow the leaders, no matter how ridiculous things are. The evangelical leaders are part of the plutocracy. They live like kings.
My 90 + yr old grandmother sent Oral Roberts 25 bucks a month while she lived in America. He was golfing with presidents and living in a huge compound.
 
It is apparent that the educational propaganda of the churches still works. The followers still follow the leaders, no matter how ridiculous things are. The evangelical leaders are part of the plutocracy. They live like kings.
My 90 + yr old grandmother sent Oral Roberts 25 bucks a month while she lived in America. He was golfing with presidents and living in a huge compound.
Joel Osteen didn’t open his church to Harvey victims till he was humiliated.
 
It is apparent that the educational propaganda of the churches still works. The followers still follow the leaders, no matter how ridiculous things are. The evangelical leaders are part of the plutocracy. They live like kings.
My 90 + yr old grandmother sent Oral Roberts 25 bucks a month while she lived in America. He was golfing with presidents and living in a huge compound.
Evangelicals have been favoring Republicans over the past 30 years based on one major issue: preparing for the Second Coming. This is why the support for Israel is so strong with them. Not that they aren't bigoted against Jews, but that they need Israeli support in rebuilding the Temple per prophesy.

That said, it's important, IMO, to not throw out the baby with the bathwater. Per the poll below, 62% of Americans are Christians. Only 23% of which are Evangelicals. While the Evangelicals are very focused and put in a lot of money supporting their goals, they are still only a small percentage of Christian and religious voters. Condemning all religious voters, especially since about half are Democrats, would risk alienating potential voters.

Better, IMO, to focus on the issues and leave the religious stuff out of it as much as possible. One exception being pointing out unChristian behavior to Christians in order to facilitate alienating them from MAGA's unChristian behavior. The idea being that if you can't convince them to vote Democrat, at least convince them to not vote MAGA.


 
It is apparent that the educational propaganda of the churches still works. The followers still follow the leaders, no matter how ridiculous things are. The evangelical leaders are part of the plutocracy. They live like kings.
My 90 + yr old grandmother sent Oral Roberts 25 bucks a month while she lived in America. He was golfing with presidents and living in a huge compound.
The poll shows that the most significant opponents of Trump are black Protestants and Hispanic Catholics.

I don't think it does the Democratic party any favors to paint Christianity with a broad brush and caricature that religion in the worst light possible.

Democrats are now losing States they used to routinely win, especially in the rust belt and Midwest. That area used to be a blue wall Democrats could count on.

I think part of the reason the Democratic party has collapsed in the Rust belt and Midwest is because we get caricatured as a party of militant secularists fervently hostile to Christianity and religious faith.

People just don't vote on policies, they also vote on values.
 
The poll shows that the most significant opponents of Trump are black Protestants and Hispanic Catholics.

I don't think it does the Democratic party any favors to paint Christianity with a broad brush and caricature that religion in the worst light possible.

Democrats are now losing States they used to routinely win, especially in the rust belt and Midwest. That area used to be a blue wall Democrats could count on.

I think part of the reason the Democratic party has collapsed in the Rust belt and Midwest is because we get caricatured as a party of militant secularists fervently hostile to Christianity and religious faith.

People just don't vote on policies, they also vote on values.
Then why do they vote for Felonious? That’s the dissonance.
 
Then why do they vote for Felonious? That’s the dissonance.
Who? Rural America or Evangelicals? If the latter, it's because he supports Israel for the aforementioned reasons. If the former, that support is falling...dramatically. LOL

The 2024 election saw Trump win 63 percent of rural voters, up from 60 percent in 2020, according to AP VoteCast...

...According to the poll, just 46 percent of rural voters now approve of Trump's job performance, while 45 percent disapprove. In February, 59 percent approved and 37 percent disapproved.

The rest of his polls are also dropping and I doubt he'll be able to raise them again.


 
Then why do they vote for Felonious? That’s the dissonance.
I just want to win elections.

I don't think the rust belt, Appalachia, the Midwest stopped voting for Democrats because of the minimum wage, food stamps, or Medicaid. Our policies are fine.

I have to be brutally honest with myself about why the blue wall across Appalachia and the Rust belt has collapsed. And I think part of the answer is that liberals allowed themselves to be painted into a corner and caricatured as coastal secularists hostile to Midwestern and Appalachian cultural values.
 
I just want to win elections.

I don't think the rust belt, Appalachia, the Midwest stopped voting for Democrats because of the minimum wage, food stamps, or Medicaid. Our policies are fine.

I have to be brutally honest with myself about why the blue wall across Appalachia and the Rust belt has collapsed. And I think part of the answer is that liberals allowed themselves to be painted into a corner and caricatured as coastal secularists hostile to Midwestern and Appalachian cultural values.
Democratic leadership, led by well-heeled/celebrity Liberals, painted themselves into a corner. No one put them there.

Agreed that corner consisted of them being "coastal secularists" hostile to the center of the nation AKA "Fly-Over Country". How many years of being painted by the Left as living in Fly-Over Country do Americans voters have to take before they start voting against being labeled worthless by the Democrats?

FWIW, cultural shifts take time. It took 20 years of "fly over country" remarks to get to 2016. The past 9 years has only increased the divide. It'll take another 20-30 years of constant healing to bring back unity.
 
Democratic leadership, led by well-heeled/celebrity Liberals, painted themselves into a corner. No one put them there.

Agreed that corner consisted of them being "coastal secularists" hostile to the center of the nation AKA "Fly-Over Country". How many years of being painted by the Left as living in Fly-Over Country do Americans voters have to take before they start voting against being labeled worthless by the Democrats?

FWIW, cultural shifts take time. It took 20 years of "fly over country" remarks to get to 2016. The past 9 years has only increased the divide. It'll take another 20-30 years of constant healing to bring back unity.
why are you pretending you're on the right side?

you're biggest dumbfuckiest dem on the internet.
 
I just want to win elections.

I don't think the rust belt, Appalachia, the Midwest stopped voting for Democrats because of the minimum wage, food stamps, or Medicaid. Our policies are fine.

I have to be brutally honest with myself about why the blue wall across Appalachia and the Rust belt has collapsed. And I think part of the answer is that liberals allowed themselves to be painted into a corner and caricatured as coastal secularists hostile to Midwestern and Appalachian cultural values.
you're for open borders, sucking ccp dick, and transing children.

nobody painted you into this.

it's not your messaging you fucking dope.
 
Democratic leadership, led by well-heeled/celebrity Liberals, painted themselves into a corner. No one put them there.

Agreed that corner consisted of them being "coastal secularists" hostile to the center of the nation AKA "Fly-Over Country". How many years of being painted by the Left as living in Fly-Over Country do Americans voters have to take before they start voting against being labeled worthless by the Democrats?

FWIW, cultural shifts take time. It took 20 years of "fly over country" remarks to get to 2016. The past 9 years has only increased the divide. It'll take another 20-30 years of constant healing to bring back unity.
Right, I am being brutally honest about why Democrats lost our credibility in the rust belt, upper Midwest, and Appalachia. We did paint ourselves into a corner, but we didn't fight back adequately when the caricatures about coastal militant secularists got pushed to ridiculous and extreme proportions by right-wingers
 
Right, I am being brutally honest about why Democrats lost our credibility in the rust belt, upper Midwest, and Appalachia. We did paint ourselves into a corner, but we didn't fight back adequately when the caricatures about coastal militant secularists got pushed to ridiculous and extreme proportions by right-wingers
The divisiveness of the two major political parties began after the Cold War ended and they sought to reinvent themselves. It grew worse and more divisive from there. Democrats seemed to grow more elitist and "We know what's best for you". This was pushed a lot by the Clintons. The Republicans turned their back on personal accountability and national security in favor of a religious agenda (e.g. gay marriage, abortion) which grew to include white Christian nationalism...which had very little to do with Christianity except to use it as a means to an end.

The MAGAts do not seek unity. Division works for them. Painting anyone who doesn't agree with them as a Marxist, socialist, racist, whatever works for them by unifying their own side. Democrats seek to unify Americans, but have a long, hard road ahead of them after decades of supporting division. Trust, once broken, is difficult to rebuild.
 
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The divisiveness of the two major political parties began after the Cold War ended and they sought to reinvent themselves. It grew worse and more divisive from there. Democrats seemed to grow more elitist and "We know what's best for you". This was pushed a lot by the Clintons. The Republicans turned their back on personal accountability and national security in favor of a religious agenda (e.g. gay marriage, abortion) which grew to include white Christian nationalism...which had very little to do with Christianity except to use it as a means to an end.

The MAGAts do not seek unity. Division works for them. Painting anyone who doesn't agree with them as a Marxist, socialist, racist, whatever works for them by unifying their own side. Democrats seek to unify Americans, but have a long, hard road ahead of them after decades of supporting division. Trust, once broken, is difficult to rebuild.
The funny thing is, Democratic presidents weren't elitists. Carter, Clinton, Obama, Biden came from relatively modest circumstances. While Republican presidents of our generation tend to be blue blood trust fund babies.
 
The funny thing is, Democratic presidents weren't elitists. Carter, Clinton, Obama, Biden came from relatively modest circumstances. While Republican presidents of our generation tend to be blue blood trust fund babies.
Agreed on all but the Clintons. There was clearly a "We know what's best for you" attitude which only became stronger when Hillary basically bought the DNC. Hillary had a very strong base of supporters just like Trump does. Also like Trump, she's made several very unethical, if not illegal, decisions over her 20+ years in D.C. Trump's are far worse, but that's a progression, isn't it? The camel nose in the tent sort of thing?

Agreed the Republicans have become the Party of the Rich. Oligarch supporters.

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Agreed on all but the Clintons. There was clearly a "We know what's best for you" attitude which only became stronger when Hillary basically bought the DNC. Hillary had a very strong base of supporters just like Trump does. Also like Trump, she's made several very unethical, if not illegal, decisions over her 20+ years in D.C. Trump's are far worse, but that's a progression, isn't it? The camel nose in the tent sort of thing?

Agreed the Republicans have become the Party of the Rich. Oligarch supporters.

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When I was asked to run the Democratic Party after the Russians hacked our emails, I stumbled onto a shocking truth about the Clinton campaign.
By DONNA BRAZILE November 02, 2017

I'd give anything to have Bill or Hillary be president now, considering the trajectory to fascism, corruption, and incompetence we are on now!
 
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