Whining & obstruction works

Slavery was an evil - a practically unspeakable crime against humanity.

Obstruction is an effective political tactic, which one party practiced for 8 years. And which I doubt you've said a negative word about on this board. You're more concerned about angry Dems.
Slavery is evil. The analogy served solely to show you're not honest about standards.

Obstruction has been "effective" in furthering party goals. It is not effective in furthering the goals for Americans.

That you want to now support, maybe use, the same tactic, because, gee willercky, it "worked", shows you have no standards of your own.

Bring this crap down from both dems and pubs. They hold the rains to our government as they are they main two parties and that, unfortunately means money and influence.

It is time for the independents to rise up and vote a viable candidate. I get it, Hillary didn't represent you nor will she ever and maybe the dnc doesn't represent you, what are you going to do?
 
Whining works. Obstruction works.

it doesn't work nearly as well when you don't control the house and senate......the fact we now have to repeal Obamacare instead of remembering how it failed to pass should be sufficient to make you realize that.....
 
it doesn't work nearly as well when you don't control the house and senate......the fact we now have to repeal Obamacare instead of remembering how it failed to pass should be sufficient to make you realize that.....

No - you're wrong. Dems had the majorities in 2008, and obstruction worked for the GOP starting then.

And Trump won't repeal Obamacare. He'll just amend it.
 
ACA got thru on 51 votes minimum ( budget reconciliation ). It's possible a replace/repeal of the ACA can do the same.
Buy for Trump to pass most agenda, the 60 votes are still needed.

I imagine some red state Senators will join supermajorities-especially with those up for re-election
 
Sorry - it's pretty undeniable. The Republicans laid out the blueprint.

Trump himself called for revolution the last time Obama was elected. Said we should march on DC, and that the EC was a disaster. He was the voice of the birther movement, which huge #'s on the right agreed with, as well as every other effort to portray Obama as something other than American, and not a legitimate President. For years.

And obstruction was like breathing for the GOP during the last 8 years. It was a stated goal, and something they truly perfected. Oppose everything. Fight. Resist.

And check it out - it worked! The GOP, as we keep getting reminded, now own pretty much everything.

So enough of these "lessons" for Dems..."hey, you guys better watch it - you're alienating even more voters. You'll spend years in the wilderness if you don't get over it & get along."

Whining works. Obstruction works. That's the actual lesson from the right - not empty words.

Trump's 'win' and the way he 'won' is probably the best thing that could have happened for the future of this nation. It puts Trump and his brain dead supporters in the spotlight on the international stage ALL ALONE. Democrats don't have to pass nor support anything Trump or the republicans propose or pass. Let them slit their own throats.

With the reins of power, they are now forced to produce.

Let them try any knuckleheaded Robber Baron idea they want .. attack it .. then ridicule them when it fails.

Obstruct, attack, and ridicule are all that's required.

Treat these morons the same way they treated Obama .. and when they whine about it .. remind them of who and what they are.
 
they are going to start destroying the entire social system at record pace

then they will break us economically so we cant recover
 
Slavery worked. We should still have it, because, you know, it worked.

Dumbass.

Slavery didn't work, and only a moron would believe that it did.

There were far more moral, effective, and less expensive ways of labor then owning a slave.

It divided a nation in ways that still exist, resulted in massive deaths and injury, and is known as a shit-stain on American history.

Dumbass
 
Whining & obstruction works
“The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president” Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY)
http://www.mediaite.com/online/whit...me-the-shameless-mitch-mcconnell-and-company/
Majority Leader McConnell (R-KY) deliberately blocked the will of the People, refusing even to hold a hearing in conjunction with his Constitutional obligation under Art.2 Sect.2-2

What politician of any party (or no party at all) has been more obstructionist than this formerly highest ranking Republican leader?
 
And how am I a hypocrite? The OP is just an accurate observation - a lesson learned.

Dispute it.

Easy, and with facts too.

Democrats are the ones who broke the process in the first place, and if they don't like that the GOP is holding up the process, they're just just reaping what they sowed.

Harry Reid, when he was Senate Majority Leader at the end of the Bush administration, Harry Reid took dramatic action to prevent President Bush from making any appointments whatsoever. Democrats were frustrated by some of Bush's recess appointments, especially John Bolton as U.N. ambassador. But in fairness to Bush, the Democratic Senate's partisan obstruction was completely out of hand. In late 2007, the Harry Reid-led Senate had a backlog of more than 200 appointments that it had failed to act on, including dozens of judges. In order to prevent Bush from filling any of those slots with recess appointments, Reid started holding 30 second "pro-forma" sessions over the holidays so the Senate would technically be in session and the president would be constitutionally prohibited from making recess appointments.

As if this wasn't bad enough, then Barack Obama came into office and tried to to blow up the consensus on how it was possible for Senate to block recess appointments. Despite Republicans not going into session for any more than three days to prevent recess appointments, in 2012 Obama went ahead anyway and made three recess appointments to the National Labor Relations Board, arguing that the 30 second pro forma sessions Democrats had recently embraced were illegitimate now that Republicans were using them. (In an amazing act of hypocrisy, Reid publicly supported Obama's decision to ignore Congress holding pro-forma sessions.)

http://www.weeklystandard.com/the-d...ction-of-judicial-nominations/article/2001119

The Sad Reality of Harry Reid’s Senate
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Reid's years of obstruction — “filling the tree” to prevent amendments, refusing to take votes, defying calls to pass a budget — that were his defining “contribution” during the Obama years. It eventually cost his party the Senate majority when his members could not explain to voters why they had accomplished so little. Most damaging, his refusal to take a vote with veto-proof support for Menendez-Kirk sanctions against Iran allowed the Obama administration to continue on its road to appeasement.
To this day he continues to obstruct passage of an overwhelmingly positive anti-human-trafficking bill out of deference to the radical pro-abortion lobby, which belatedly discovered language it finds objectionable.

And finally, he used the “nuclear” option to jam through presidential appointments and lower-court judges, setting up a standard that may be reintroduced or expanded (to legislation or to Supreme Court nominees) by subsequent leaders. The result will be a class of appointees who can be excessively partisan and obviously unqualified, who may be confirmed strictly as a matter of partisan loyalty.

http://triblive.com/opinion/featuredcommentary/8074711-74/reid-senate-democrats
 
I am keeping track of Trump's failed promises for my Father In Law.

The man promised me HRC would be in Prison by October, we will see.
The man promised me my wife and I would have to cancel our trip to Havana set for March, we will see.
The man is sure the entire border with Mexico will have a wall, that Mexico paid for within three years, we will see.
The man promised me Obamacare would be repealed on day one of the Trump administration, we will see. (I suspect it will be repealed with a 4 year phase out, leaving the problem of replacement to the next president and Congress)

Who thinks these things will happen?
 
Have 352 bills passed the House but await action in the Senate?

Basically, yes. (Politifact)

"352 bills are sitting on Harry Reid’s desk, awaiting action.

"98 percent of them passed with bipartisan support -- Republicans and Democrats working together to pass legislation.

"50 percent of the bills passed unanimously, with no opposition.

"70 percent of the bills passed with two-thirds support in the House.

"And over 55 bills were introduced by Democrats.

"352 bills.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...nn-jenkins-blames-harry-reid-do-nothing-sena/

With the usual left wing spin from politifact we've come to see as the norm...
 
Have 352 bills passed the House but await action in the Senate?

Basically, yes. (Politifact)

"352 bills are sitting on Harry Reid’s desk, awaiting action.

"98 percent of them passed with bipartisan support -- Republicans and Democrats working together to pass legislation.

"50 percent of the bills passed unanimously, with no opposition.

"70 percent of the bills passed with two-thirds support in the House.

"And over 55 bills were introduced by Democrats.

"352 bills.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...nn-jenkins-blames-harry-reid-do-nothing-sena/

With the usual left wing spin from politifact we've come to see as the norm...

This is naive, and show's little understanding of Congress. Most bills that get introduced are non-controversial & pass easily. It would be idiotic for either party to obstruct on those.

You're spamming my thread like desh does. Spare us all your hackery.
 
Have 352 bills passed the House but await action in the Senate?

Basically, yes. (Politifact)

"352 bills are sitting on Harry Reid’s desk, awaiting action.

"98 percent of them passed with bipartisan support -- Republicans and Democrats working together to pass legislation.

"50 percent of the bills passed unanimously, with no opposition.

"70 percent of the bills passed with two-thirds support in the House.

"And over 55 bills were introduced by Democrats.

"352 bills.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...nn-jenkins-blames-harry-reid-do-nothing-sena/

With the usual left wing spin from politifact we've come to see as the norm...

Lol at you bravs. If you're going to complain about the Senate, let's discuss how Merrick Garland was denied a hearing by a do-nothing Senate headed by McConnell.
 
I am keeping track of Trump's failed promises for my Father In Law.

The man promised me HRC would be in Prison by October, we will see.
The man promised me my wife and I would have to cancel our trip to Havana set for March, we will see.
The man is sure the entire border with Mexico will have a wall, that Mexico paid for within three years, we will see.
The man promised me Obamacare would be repealed on day one of the Trump administration, we will see. (I suspect it will be repealed with a 4 year phase out, leaving the problem of replacement to the next president and Congress)

Who thinks these things will happen?

^ No sane person.

On day one trump will be having a pay for play for his sons' new "charitable foundation."
 
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