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Oh, there it is:

Text of three executive orders and a directive that President Barack Obama signed Thursday at the White House:

Executive Order Regarding Guantanamo Bay Detainees

Executive order requires closure of the Guantanamo detention center no later than one year from the date of the order. Closure of the facility is the ultimate goal but not the first step. The order establishes a review process with the goal of disposing of the detainees before closing the facility.

The order sets up an immediate review to determine whether it is possible to transfer detainees to third countries, consistent with national security. If transfer is not approved, a second review will determine whether prosecution is possible and in what forum. The preference is for prosecution in Article III courts or under the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ), but military commissions, perhaps with revised authorities, would remain an option. If there are detainees who cannot be transferred or prosecuted, the review will examine the lawful options for dealing with them. The attorney general will coordinate the review and the secretaries of defense, state and homeland security as well as the (director of national intelligence) and the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff will participate.

The executive order directs the secretary of state to seek international cooperation aimed at achieving the transfers of detainees.

The order directs the secretary of defense to halt military commission proceedings pending the results of the review.

Finally, the executive order requires that conditions of confinement at Guantanamo, until its closure, comply with Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions and all other applicable laws.

Executive Order Regarding Detainee Policy

Executive order creates a special task force, co-chaired by the attorney general and the secretary of defense, to conduct a review of detainee policy going forward. The group will consider policy options for apprehension, detention, trial, transfer or release of detainees. Other task force participants include the secretary of state, the secretary of homeland security, the director of national intelligence, the director of the Central Intelligence Agency and the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff. The special task force must submit its report to the president within 180 days.

Executive Order Regarding Interrogation

Executive order revokes Executive Order 13440 that interpreted Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions. It requires that all interrogations of detainees in armed conflict, by any government agency, follow the Army Field Manual interrogation guidelines. The order also prohibits reliance on any department of justice or other legal advice concerning interrogation that was issued between September 11, 2001, and January 20, 2009.

The order requires all departments and agencies to provide the (International Committee of the Red Cross) access to detainees in a manner consistent with department of defense regulations and practice. It also orders the CIA to close all existing detention facilities and prohibits it from operating detention facilities in the future.

Finally, the order creates a special task force with two missions. The task force will conduct a review of the Army Field Manual interrogation guidelines to determine whether different or additional guidance is necessary for the CIA. It will also look at rendition and other policies for transferring individuals to third countries to be sure that our policies and practices comply with all obligations and are sufficient to ensure that individuals do not face torture and cruel treatment if transferred. This task force will be led by the attorney general with the secretary of defense and the director of national intelligence as co-vice chairs.

Presidential Memorandum on Review of the Detention of al-Marri

The president instructed the attorney general, the secretaries of defense, state and homeland security, and the director of national intelligence to conduct a review of the status of the detainee Ali Saleh Kahlah al-Marri who is currently held at the Naval Brig in Charleston, S.C. This will ensure the same kind of legal and factual review is undertaken of the al-Marri case that is being undertaken of the Guantanamo cases.
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There's this too:

WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama began dismantling the Bush legacy Wednesday, using his first full day to overturn an order that let ex-presidents seal their papers forever.
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And this:

WASHINGTON (AP) — One of President Barack Obama's first acts is to order federal agencies to halt all pending regulations until his administration can review them.
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Appears to be off to a good start to me.



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there going to be plenty more for progressive's to be happy about.
limits on lobbyist
freezing pay of WH staff
 
Open season on lobbyists? How much for a lobbyist tag?
The daily bag limit?
Possession limit?
Calibers permissible?
 
I predict that 24 will be more popular than ever......never seen an episode of it but talk to people who do.
 
Chapdog said:
Id prefer he focuses on the economy first.
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I think what you have to adjust to Chap, is having a president who actually works at work. Rather than going for bike rides, taking naps afterwards, and then inviting high school kids in and telling them "pull on my finger".

Now we will have someone who not only can do one thing at a time, but more than one thing at a time. And it was very important to a lot of people that the United States no longer torture. First of all, it is against the law, and Obama is aware of this. So it makes sense that his first order of business would be to make certain that no one in his adminstration is breaking the law.
 
Darla said:
I think what you have to adjust to Chap, is having a president who actually works at work. Rather than going for bike rides, taking naps afterwards, and then inviting high school kids in and telling them "pull on my finger".

Now we will have someone who not only can do one thing at a time, but more than one thing at a time. And it was very important to a lot of people that the United States no longer torture. First of all, it is against the law, and Obama is aware of this. So it makes sense that his first order of business would be to make certain that no one in his adminstration is breaking the law.
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Chapowned.
 
Has anyone been watching O'Reilly at all over the past month or so?

I've cut down, but I tune in once in awhile, and he is really laying the groundwork for blaming Obama & his position against torture if we get attacked again. He's always really ominous about it - he lays out the case of why we need to torture (or, in his view, use "tough" interrogation methods), or open ourselves up to attack, then says that if Obama "gets soft," and we get attacked again, "the American people will have some big questions for Mr. Obama, and he'll have nowhere to hide" (paraphrasing).

It's pretty stomach-churning. When he, and others that I've heard, talk about things like waterboarding, they only talk about the ends, and not the means. It's always "if it's a choice between that or a building where your (insert family member here) works blowing up, it's a no brainer."

You could say that about a blowtorch, too; America doesn't torture, period.
 
he's a tool
I totally have given Sean and Bill Zero listening time since Obama won.
they are little more than cartoon charecters at this point.
 
Onceler said:
Has anyone been watching O'Reilly at all over the past month or so?

I've cut down, but I tune in once in awhile, and he is really laying the groundwork for blaming Obama & his position against torture if we get attacked again. He's always really ominous about it - he lays out the case of why we need to torture (or, in his view, use "tough" interrogation methods), or open ourselves up to attack, then says that if Obama "gets soft," and we get attacked again, "the American people will have some big questions for Mr. Obama, and he'll have nowhere to hide" (paraphrasing).

It's pretty stomach-churning. When he, and others that I've heard, talk about things like waterboarding, they only talk about the ends, and not the means. It's always "if it's a choice between that or a building where your (insert family member here) works blowing up, it's a no brainer."

You could say that about a blowtorch, too; America doesn't torture, period.
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You know what, they're such false choices, they're absurd. I could as easily say to anyone, would you throw a two year old off of a roof? And they could answer no never. And then I could come back with my "clever" scenario of; but what if someone broke into your house after stealing your neighbor's two year old and forced you and your own two year old onto a roof, and held a gun at your two year old's head, and said, if you don't throw your neighbor's two year old off the roof, I'll shoot your two year old. So then what do we all do? Sit around and imagine the horror of this b movie scene, and start worrying about what will we do if it happens?

Or how about we all just grow up and stop coming up with ludicrous scenarios, and face the fact that torture doesn't work, and our own experts have said so. They can do better with much more humane methods.
 
he has a chance to be one of the best ever, because
1. the bar is so low, the Gieco lizzard could jump it
2. He's obviously extreemly smart and a pragmatist.
3. the left is mad he's talking to the righ???? WTF
How much IQ does it take to realize you don't come in guns blazing like Pelosi on roids shooting at the right.
 
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