You asked, so apparently you do.
It's the liquor talking, I suppose. Maybe he forgot that he asked.
When will Black people stop this?
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It's the liquor talking, I suppose. Maybe he forgot that he asked.
I asked Y O U.
So you have no statistics, as I suspected.
Cite the statistics, Duchess of Deflection.
Once Zimmerman cleans up Chicago, everyone will be getting one-way tickets there.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
Put that bitch on a bus with the quickness. :0) Should be fun to watch.
Why don't you go and be like his sidekick?
Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
No son, you either don't understand or are just stubbornly refusing to concede a point to the point of insipidness. For you to actually have some validity to your lame rebuttals, you would have to IGNORE the insinuations and out right allegation of the OP and subject title of this thread. Crime happens and suddenly ALL individuals of said group are personally responsible for not stopping it? Hmmm, does that apply to YOUR racial/ethnic group? Or the majority population of the country? Because you see son, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE NATIONAL AND LOCAL POLICE FORCES....of which our tax dollars pay for. And then there are neighborhood watch groups, etc. etc. But when the Oklahoma bombing happened, or when biker groups shoot up a diner or mall, I don't post a thread wailing for WHITE ONLY folk to stop it. That's because I'm not a bigot or racist.
Got it now?
So you say. Can you substantiate those claims?
You appear to be a guilt-ridden, self-loathing liberal who is bigoted against Caucasians and anyone who disagrees with you.
Fentoine Lum
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See the op, it's press.
Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
And as the objective reader can see, once Legion is faced with information he cannot logically or rationally counter, he just ignores it and the bluffs with baseless accusations.
https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...-Black-people-stop-this&p=2533455#post2533455
Since anyone can do a search on this site and read any or all of my posts to validate (or try and disprove) my statement, Legion is just blowing smoke to cover his inability to defend his stance (if he truly has one) or the absurdity of this thread's OP. So unless he's got something more than his usual drivel, I'll just move on.
So you say. No one knows what you may or may not have said regarding shootings by white men in the past, yet curiously you made that claim.
I made no accusation, yet you state that I did. Clearly, that's false.
You should just move on, because the chronology of the posts shows that objectivity is not conducive to your assertion.
Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
Ahhh, it would seem that Legion is just an old right wing crank I've encountered before under a new name. Same old lame tactics, when logically and factually proven wrong on a point, he just creates a bogus side bar and just parrots denial of any response you have, accusing you of lying, etc.
Same stupid tactics the Orange Oaf in the White House is using, which isn't exactly working out well.
The objective, rational and mature reader sees Legion for the right wing joke that he is. I leave him to waste someone else's space and time with his childish blather.
Yet here you are, uttering more baseless self-exculpatory drivel. The chronology of the posts does not support your nattering narrative.
Run away, before your inadequacy is further exposed.
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10 wounded since daybreak Saturday in separate city shootings
At least 10 people were wounded in city shootings on Saturday and early Sunday, Chicago police said.
Most recently, a 21-year-old man was critically injured while riding a bicycle in the Morgan Park neighborhood on the Far South Side, police said.
He was riding in the 11600 block of South Vincennes Avenue around 1:30 a.m. Sunday when someone fired at him from a black vehicle. He rode the bicycle for a few blocks, to 114th and Church streets.
He was taken to Advocate Christ Medical Center in Oak Lawn in critical condition with wounds to the abdomen and leg, and a graze wound to the head.
Just before 11 p.m. Saturday, a 26-year-old woman was shot in the leg while walking outside with family in the 2300 block of South Marshall Boulevard in the Little Village neighborhood on the West Side, police said.
She was in good condition at Mount Sinai Hospital.
Earlier, A 23-year-old man getting out of his vehicle around 10:30 p.m. in the first block of West 125th Street in the Far South Side's West Pullman neighborhood when he heard shots and began running.
He realized he had been shot in the back and hand. He was stabilized at Advocate Christ Medical Center in Oak Lawn.
In another West Pullman attack, a 17-year-old boy was shot in the leg around 10:15 p.m. in the 11600 block of South Yale Avenue. He was stabilized at Advocate Christ Medical Center in Oak Lawn.
In other shootings:
-A 29-year-old woman was shot in the arm around 3:24 Saturday after she got into a dispute with someone at a block party in the 1300 block of West 73rd Street in the Englewood neighborhood on the South Side, police said.
-A 25-year-old man was shot in the arm and leg just before 3 a.m. in the Belmont Central neighborhood on the Northwest Side, police said. He was standing outside in the 3000 block of North Central Avenue when two males fired at him from a vehicle, police said. He was in serious condition at Advocate Illinois Masonic Medical Center.
-Around 2:15 p.m. Saturday, a 33-year-old man was shot in the leg in the West Side's West Garfield Park neighborhood in the 4400 block of West Van Buren Street. He was taken in good condition to Mount Sinai Hospital, police said.
-A 29-year-old man was shot in the Brighton Park neighborhood on the Southwest Side shortly after 12:30 p.m. in the 3900 block of South Kedzie Avenue. The man suffered a wound to the left side of his body, and was taken to Mount Sinai Hospital where he was stabilized, police said.
-A 26-year-old man was shot in the West Side's South Austin neighborhood about 9:15 a.m. in the 4800 block of West Iowa Street. He suffered three wounds to his left leg, and was taken to Mount Sinai Hospital where his condition was stabilized, police said.
-Shortly before 6:15 a.m., another man was shot in the South Austin neighborhood. The 28-year-old suffered gunshot wounds to his chest, right leg and stomach while in the 5200 block of West Congress Parkway. He was taken in serious condition to Stroger Hospital. Four hours earlier along the same block of West Congress Parkway, a boy and a man had been shot.
No one was in custody.
At least 10 people were wounded in city shootings on Saturday and early Sunday, Chicago police said.
Most recently, a 21-year-old man was critically injured while riding a bicycle in the Morgan Park neighborhood on the Far South Side, police said.
He was riding in the 11600 block of South Vincennes Avenue around 1:30 a.m. Sunday when someone fired at him from a black vehicle. He rode the bicycle for a few blocks, to 114th and Church streets.
He was taken to Advocate Christ Medical Center in Oak Lawn in critical condition with wounds to the abdomen and leg, and a graze wound to the head.
Just before 11 p.m. Saturday, a 26-year-old woman was shot in the leg while walking outside with family in the 2300 block of South Marshall Boulevard in the Little Village neighborhood on the West Side, police said.
She was in good condition at Mount Sinai Hospital.
Earlier, A 23-year-old man getting out of his vehicle around 10:30 p.m. in the first block of West 125th Street in the Far South Side's West Pullman neighborhood when he heard shots and began running.
He realized he had been shot in the back and hand. He was stabilized at Advocate Christ Medical Center in Oak Lawn.
In another West Pullman attack, a 17-year-old boy was shot in the leg around 10:15 p.m. in the 11600 block of South Yale Avenue. He was stabilized at Advocate Christ Medical Center in Oak Lawn.
In other shootings:
-A 29-year-old woman was shot in the arm around 3:24 Saturday after she got into a dispute with someone at a block party in the 1300 block of West 73rd Street in the Englewood neighborhood on the South Side, police said.
-A 25-year-old man was shot in the arm and leg just before 3 a.m. in the Belmont Central neighborhood on the Northwest Side, police said. He was standing outside in the 3000 block of North Central Avenue when two males fired at him from a vehicle, police said. He was in serious condition at Advocate Illinois Masonic Medical Center.
-Around 2:15 p.m. Saturday, a 33-year-old man was shot in the leg in the West Side's West Garfield Park neighborhood in the 4400 block of West Van Buren Street. He was taken in good condition to Mount Sinai Hospital, police said.
-A 29-year-old man was shot in the Brighton Park neighborhood on the Southwest Side shortly after 12:30 p.m. in the 3900 block of South Kedzie Avenue. The man suffered a wound to the left side of his body, and was taken to Mount Sinai Hospital where he was stabilized, police said.
-A 26-year-old man was shot in the West Side's South Austin neighborhood about 9:15 a.m. in the 4800 block of West Iowa Street. He suffered three wounds to his left leg, and was taken to Mount Sinai Hospital where his condition was stabilized, police said.
-Shortly before 6:15 a.m., another man was shot in the South Austin neighborhood. The 28-year-old suffered gunshot wounds to his chest, right leg and stomach while in the 5200 block of West Congress Parkway. He was taken in serious condition to Stroger Hospital. Four hours earlier along the same block of West Congress Parkway, a boy and a man had been shot.
No one was in custody.
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14 hours in Chicago: 26 people shot, including 3-year-old boy
n a span of about 14 hours between Friday afternoon and early Saturday morning, 26 people were shot in Chicago, including a 3-year-old boy who was among seven wounded in a single attack.
One person was killed in a shooting attack — a 27-year-old man shot in the chest and arm just before 3 p.m. Friday on the South Side, Chicago police said.
The man was taken to St. Bernard Hospital in critical condition after the shooting in the 7000 block of South Sangamon Street in the Englewood neighborhood, but was later pronounced dead.
In the seven-victim shooting, six of the people shot were standing on a sidewalk around 8 p.m. in the 1600 block of West 65th Street when they were hit by gunfire, police said.
The seventh person shot, a 38-year-old woman, was grazed on the arm while in a backyard. She was treated on scene.
The 3-year-old boy was rushed to Comer Children’s Hospital where he was stabilized with a wound to the shin.
Three others were treated at St. Bernard Hospital: a 30-year-old man stabilized with a wound to the leg, a 29-year-old man stabilized with a wound to the calf and a 26-year-old man stabilized with wounds to the hand and leg.
A 30-year-old man shot in the back was in serious condition at Mount Sinai Hospital, and a 27-year-old man shot in the torso was stabilized at University of Chicago Medical Center.
Another person was killed Friday evening by what police said was a self-inflicted gunshot wound.
A “young male’’ between the ages of 15 and 17 shot himself in the head following a foot pursuit with police in the West Side’s Lawndale neighborhood, according to Chicago police spokesman Anthony Guglielmi.
It started about 7 p.m. in the 1500 block of South Keeler Avenue when police “discovered” him with a weapon. Officers attempted to question him when he led them on a brief foot pursuit. Shortly afterward, he shot himself, Guglielmi tweeted.
The male was taken in critical condition to Mount Sinai Hospital, where he was pronounced dead, police said.
In other shootings:
A 22-year-old man was in serious condition at St. Bernard Hospital after he was shot multiple times below the waist shortly before 5:30 a.m. in the 8500 block of South Morgan Street in the Gresham neighborhood.
A 38-year-old man was in critical condition at Stroger Hospital after he was shot in the face and leg while sitting in a parked car around 4:40 a.m. Saturday in the 5500 block of West Huron Street in the West Side’s South Austin neighborhood.
Around 3:15 a.m., a 17-year-old girl was grazed in her shoulder in the Logan Square neighborhood on the Northwest Side, police said. She was in a vehicle with her boyfriend in the 1900 block of North Kedzie Avenue when someone fired from a black Infiniti sedan. She was stabilized at Presence St. Mary’s Hospital.
A 26-year-old man was shot in the foot around 12:40 a.m. in the Oakland neighborhood on the South Side, police said. He was standing outside a vehicle in the 4100 block of South Lake Park Avenue when someone fired at him. He is in good condition at Mercy Hospital.
Around 12:20 a.m., a 22-year-old man was shot in the groin in the 2100 block of East 71st Street in the South Side’s South Shore neighborhood, police said. He was stabilized at University of Chicago Medical Center.
A 15-year-old boy was shot in the chest by a bullet that came through the window while he sat in a home around 11:50 p.m. Friday in the 2000 block of West 68th Street in the South Side’s West Englewood neighborhood. He was in fair condition at Comer Children’s Hospital.
Two men, both 19, were shot in the shoulder and back while driving in a vehicle around 11:25 p.m. in the 4600 block of South Pulaski Road in the Southwest Side’s Archer Heights neighborhood, police said. Someone in a gray Jeep pulled up behind them and fired the shots. They were stabilized at Mount Sinai Hospital.
Around 11 p.m., a man, 35, and a woman, 23, were shot in the 700 block of North Ridgeway Avenue in the East Garfield Park neighborhood on the West Side. The man was stabilized at Mount Sinai Hospital with a wound to the torso and the woman was stabilized at Stroger with a wound to the leg.
A 23-year-old man was walking in the 11600 block of South Yale Avenue in the Far South Side’s West Pullman neighborhood when someone approached him and fired shots, hitting him in the leg around 10:35 p.m., police said. He was stabilized at Metro South Medical Center.
A 19-year-old man was shot in the leg around 9:50 p.m. in the 1300 block of East 75th Street in the Grand Crossing neighborhood on the South Side, police said. He was stabilized at University of Chicago Medical Center.
Around 9:20 p.m., a 17-year-old boy was about to get in a vehicle when someone on foot fired at him, hitting him in the chest in the 12100 block of South Lafayette Avenue in the West Pullman neighborhood on the Far South Side. He took himself to Roseland Community Hospital, but was transferred to Comer Children’s Hospital.
A 23-year-old man was shot in the buttock and left side in the West Side’s West Garfield Park neighborhood in the 4700 block of West Harrison Street shortly before 5:25 p.m. He was in good condition at Mount Sinai Hospital.
A 20-year-old man was shot in the 3300 block of West 31st Street in the Little Village neighborhood on the Southwest Side, also about 5:25 p.m. He was taken to St. Anthony’s Hospital, where his condition had stabilized.
No one was in custody, and police were investigating.
n a span of about 14 hours between Friday afternoon and early Saturday morning, 26 people were shot in Chicago, including a 3-year-old boy who was among seven wounded in a single attack.
One person was killed in a shooting attack — a 27-year-old man shot in the chest and arm just before 3 p.m. Friday on the South Side, Chicago police said.
The man was taken to St. Bernard Hospital in critical condition after the shooting in the 7000 block of South Sangamon Street in the Englewood neighborhood, but was later pronounced dead.
In the seven-victim shooting, six of the people shot were standing on a sidewalk around 8 p.m. in the 1600 block of West 65th Street when they were hit by gunfire, police said.
The seventh person shot, a 38-year-old woman, was grazed on the arm while in a backyard. She was treated on scene.
The 3-year-old boy was rushed to Comer Children’s Hospital where he was stabilized with a wound to the shin.
Three others were treated at St. Bernard Hospital: a 30-year-old man stabilized with a wound to the leg, a 29-year-old man stabilized with a wound to the calf and a 26-year-old man stabilized with wounds to the hand and leg.
A 30-year-old man shot in the back was in serious condition at Mount Sinai Hospital, and a 27-year-old man shot in the torso was stabilized at University of Chicago Medical Center.
Another person was killed Friday evening by what police said was a self-inflicted gunshot wound.
A “young male’’ between the ages of 15 and 17 shot himself in the head following a foot pursuit with police in the West Side’s Lawndale neighborhood, according to Chicago police spokesman Anthony Guglielmi.
It started about 7 p.m. in the 1500 block of South Keeler Avenue when police “discovered” him with a weapon. Officers attempted to question him when he led them on a brief foot pursuit. Shortly afterward, he shot himself, Guglielmi tweeted.
The male was taken in critical condition to Mount Sinai Hospital, where he was pronounced dead, police said.
In other shootings:
A 22-year-old man was in serious condition at St. Bernard Hospital after he was shot multiple times below the waist shortly before 5:30 a.m. in the 8500 block of South Morgan Street in the Gresham neighborhood.
A 38-year-old man was in critical condition at Stroger Hospital after he was shot in the face and leg while sitting in a parked car around 4:40 a.m. Saturday in the 5500 block of West Huron Street in the West Side’s South Austin neighborhood.
Around 3:15 a.m., a 17-year-old girl was grazed in her shoulder in the Logan Square neighborhood on the Northwest Side, police said. She was in a vehicle with her boyfriend in the 1900 block of North Kedzie Avenue when someone fired from a black Infiniti sedan. She was stabilized at Presence St. Mary’s Hospital.
A 26-year-old man was shot in the foot around 12:40 a.m. in the Oakland neighborhood on the South Side, police said. He was standing outside a vehicle in the 4100 block of South Lake Park Avenue when someone fired at him. He is in good condition at Mercy Hospital.
Around 12:20 a.m., a 22-year-old man was shot in the groin in the 2100 block of East 71st Street in the South Side’s South Shore neighborhood, police said. He was stabilized at University of Chicago Medical Center.
A 15-year-old boy was shot in the chest by a bullet that came through the window while he sat in a home around 11:50 p.m. Friday in the 2000 block of West 68th Street in the South Side’s West Englewood neighborhood. He was in fair condition at Comer Children’s Hospital.
Two men, both 19, were shot in the shoulder and back while driving in a vehicle around 11:25 p.m. in the 4600 block of South Pulaski Road in the Southwest Side’s Archer Heights neighborhood, police said. Someone in a gray Jeep pulled up behind them and fired the shots. They were stabilized at Mount Sinai Hospital.
Around 11 p.m., a man, 35, and a woman, 23, were shot in the 700 block of North Ridgeway Avenue in the East Garfield Park neighborhood on the West Side. The man was stabilized at Mount Sinai Hospital with a wound to the torso and the woman was stabilized at Stroger with a wound to the leg.
A 23-year-old man was walking in the 11600 block of South Yale Avenue in the Far South Side’s West Pullman neighborhood when someone approached him and fired shots, hitting him in the leg around 10:35 p.m., police said. He was stabilized at Metro South Medical Center.
A 19-year-old man was shot in the leg around 9:50 p.m. in the 1300 block of East 75th Street in the Grand Crossing neighborhood on the South Side, police said. He was stabilized at University of Chicago Medical Center.
Around 9:20 p.m., a 17-year-old boy was about to get in a vehicle when someone on foot fired at him, hitting him in the chest in the 12100 block of South Lafayette Avenue in the West Pullman neighborhood on the Far South Side. He took himself to Roseland Community Hospital, but was transferred to Comer Children’s Hospital.
A 23-year-old man was shot in the buttock and left side in the West Side’s West Garfield Park neighborhood in the 4700 block of West Harrison Street shortly before 5:25 p.m. He was in good condition at Mount Sinai Hospital.
A 20-year-old man was shot in the 3300 block of West 31st Street in the Little Village neighborhood on the Southwest Side, also about 5:25 p.m. He was taken to St. Anthony’s Hospital, where his condition had stabilized.
No one was in custody, and police were investigating.
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Boys 16 and 17 found shot to death in Far South Side field: 'They're killing the children'
Something compelled Adrienne Lando to stay outside and watch police working a scene in her Far South Side neighborhood, even before she learned that two teen boys had been found shot dead in the field or that she'd once provided a home to one of them.
She usually wouldn't stay out so late. Her daughter told her to go to sleep. But she remained standing on the sidewalk south of the field, looking across the yellow crime tape police had stretched across her block.
"I couldn't go in the house for some reason," Lando said. "And then to find out it's someone that you knew, someone that stayed in your house, slept in your bed, ate your food... It's very scary."
Raysaun Turner, 16, and Darnelle Flowers, 17, were found dead with gunshot wounds shortly before midnight Sunday near 131st Street and Rhodes Avenue in the Golden Gate neighborhood. Their bodies had started to decompose, a police source said.
"No parent should have to go through that," Lando said. "To have to identify their child in some grass."
Police taped a rectangle around the field between 130th and 131st Streets and Eberhart and Rhodes Avenues, later expanding the crime scene several yards farther south on Rhodes and east on 131st. A few family members, including Flowers' mom, parked their cars on Rhodes, facing the scene. She started to walk underneath the yellow tape, but police told her she had to stay out of the crime scene. A man who she arrived with hugged her as she began to cry and helped her back to their black sedan, where she sat in the passenger seat and stared blankly ahead.
More people gathered on Eberhart, on the southeast corner of Golden Gate Park. Among them, Turner's mother said she needed time to process what had happened to her son.
Family members said the boys went to Christian Fenger Academy High School, where Turner's family said he earned good grades and played team sports, including basketball.
Both teens had been reported missing in alerts sent out by Chicago police on Friday, a source said.
Turner had been last been near 10100 S. Indiana Ave. wearing dark denim jeans, a dark shirt and hoodie and was known to frequent the Golden Gates apartment complex and Palmer Park.
Flowers had been last seen in the 11300 block of South Stewart Ave. wearing a red hoodie, army green pants and black striped gym shoes. He was known to frequent the areas of Palmer Park and Altgeld Gardens. He had his nickname, "Bibby," tattooed on his lower right arm.
Their families started getting tips stemming from social media: The boys could be found in the grass near "G." A group of four teens were seen walking into the field and only two walked out, they were told.
Family members scoured the nearby Golden Gate Park, but said they hadn't thought to look so deep in the overgrown field across the street.
In the 13100 block of South Rhodes Avenue, several neighbors said they heard gunshots Friday evening, around 7 or 8 p.m. But they said that wasn't unusual and none of them saw anything.
Residents use the field as a shortcut to the neighborhood store, and a footpath is worn into the dirt. Some neighbors had walked through the field since Friday. One woman had crossed it earlier on Sunday.
One man who heard the gunshots said he has lived on the block, on and off, since 1967 when the young trees were taped to stakes and the sidewalks weren't paved yet.
He most recently moved back in 2014. It's still one of the nicest blocks around, he said, but the neighborhood has only gone downhill since the rise of crack cocaine in the 1980s.
He's used to teenagers running around the block and set a basketball hoop in front of his house for them to use. He didn't know all their names but would greet them when he saw them, say what's up and tell them to stay out of trouble.
Lando just moved into the neighborhood about a month ago and hasn't finished unpacking. She doesn't think she will, she said. Her neighbors are kind but the violence is too much.
When she first noticed police at the north end of her block, she didn't know anything about what had happened. As she stood and watched, one of her daughters rode up on a bicycle and said she'd heard someone had been killed.
Hours later, when one of Turner's relatives came to the scene, Lando put her arm around the woman as she started to cry. They'd never met before but instantly connected.
"Not Ray Ray," the relative said. "I feel like I'm in a dream. I don't feel like it's real. It can't be real. They're killing the children."
"Nobody fights no more," Lando said, resorting to gunfire instead of fist fights.
"We don't even know what this is about," the relative said.
Until early Monday, Turner's family had hoped he was still alive, they said. Though it wasn't like him to run away.
The relative told Lando she'd heard the other boy went by Bibby, but his real name was Darnell.
Lando' gasped.
"You know him? Lil Bibby?"
Lando started crying, but she wanted to be sure. "Short, dark-skinned?"
"Yes," the relative said, "that's who he's in the field with."
Lando took a few steps away and sat down in the grass with her legs spread out in front of her.
"I took him into my home last year. He rough around the edges," Lando said. "Oh my god. Oh, oh, oh, Bibby."
They over there together, baby," the relative repeated.
"I tried to help that baby," Lando said. "I tried to help him. I tried to help him. Oh my god.... my boys are going to be devastated."
Flowers stayed with her family for a few months last summer when she had a house on 117th, she said. He'd been having a rough time, and her sons, a few years older, took him under their wing. He gave her no problems, did chores with the rest of the kids, and seemed earnest about turning his life in the right direction, she said.
When he left, he thanked her and told her he was going home.
"You could tell there was something on his mind, something haunted him from the past or something," Lando said.
Only people who knew him well would be able to pick up on it, and even then, it was hard to tell exactly what it was, she said. And most of the time, he was a fun kid who loved music, loved his phone and would sit on the porch with her teenage daughter telling jokes.
She'd heard about him getting into trouble on the streets, but he was always respectful and well-mannered under her roof, she said. Once, when she was planning to barbecue but got sick, he told her to lie down and he'd finish. He burned all the hot dogs, but it was a fun moment, she said.
"He just wanted to change his life," Lando said, blinking back a tear. "He tried. I tried."
Something compelled Adrienne Lando to stay outside and watch police working a scene in her Far South Side neighborhood, even before she learned that two teen boys had been found shot dead in the field or that she'd once provided a home to one of them.
She usually wouldn't stay out so late. Her daughter told her to go to sleep. But she remained standing on the sidewalk south of the field, looking across the yellow crime tape police had stretched across her block.
"I couldn't go in the house for some reason," Lando said. "And then to find out it's someone that you knew, someone that stayed in your house, slept in your bed, ate your food... It's very scary."
Raysaun Turner, 16, and Darnelle Flowers, 17, were found dead with gunshot wounds shortly before midnight Sunday near 131st Street and Rhodes Avenue in the Golden Gate neighborhood. Their bodies had started to decompose, a police source said.
"No parent should have to go through that," Lando said. "To have to identify their child in some grass."
Police taped a rectangle around the field between 130th and 131st Streets and Eberhart and Rhodes Avenues, later expanding the crime scene several yards farther south on Rhodes and east on 131st. A few family members, including Flowers' mom, parked their cars on Rhodes, facing the scene. She started to walk underneath the yellow tape, but police told her she had to stay out of the crime scene. A man who she arrived with hugged her as she began to cry and helped her back to their black sedan, where she sat in the passenger seat and stared blankly ahead.
More people gathered on Eberhart, on the southeast corner of Golden Gate Park. Among them, Turner's mother said she needed time to process what had happened to her son.
Family members said the boys went to Christian Fenger Academy High School, where Turner's family said he earned good grades and played team sports, including basketball.
Both teens had been reported missing in alerts sent out by Chicago police on Friday, a source said.
Turner had been last been near 10100 S. Indiana Ave. wearing dark denim jeans, a dark shirt and hoodie and was known to frequent the Golden Gates apartment complex and Palmer Park.
Flowers had been last seen in the 11300 block of South Stewart Ave. wearing a red hoodie, army green pants and black striped gym shoes. He was known to frequent the areas of Palmer Park and Altgeld Gardens. He had his nickname, "Bibby," tattooed on his lower right arm.
Their families started getting tips stemming from social media: The boys could be found in the grass near "G." A group of four teens were seen walking into the field and only two walked out, they were told.
Family members scoured the nearby Golden Gate Park, but said they hadn't thought to look so deep in the overgrown field across the street.
In the 13100 block of South Rhodes Avenue, several neighbors said they heard gunshots Friday evening, around 7 or 8 p.m. But they said that wasn't unusual and none of them saw anything.
Residents use the field as a shortcut to the neighborhood store, and a footpath is worn into the dirt. Some neighbors had walked through the field since Friday. One woman had crossed it earlier on Sunday.
One man who heard the gunshots said he has lived on the block, on and off, since 1967 when the young trees were taped to stakes and the sidewalks weren't paved yet.
He most recently moved back in 2014. It's still one of the nicest blocks around, he said, but the neighborhood has only gone downhill since the rise of crack cocaine in the 1980s.
He's used to teenagers running around the block and set a basketball hoop in front of his house for them to use. He didn't know all their names but would greet them when he saw them, say what's up and tell them to stay out of trouble.
Lando just moved into the neighborhood about a month ago and hasn't finished unpacking. She doesn't think she will, she said. Her neighbors are kind but the violence is too much.
When she first noticed police at the north end of her block, she didn't know anything about what had happened. As she stood and watched, one of her daughters rode up on a bicycle and said she'd heard someone had been killed.
Hours later, when one of Turner's relatives came to the scene, Lando put her arm around the woman as she started to cry. They'd never met before but instantly connected.
"Not Ray Ray," the relative said. "I feel like I'm in a dream. I don't feel like it's real. It can't be real. They're killing the children."
"Nobody fights no more," Lando said, resorting to gunfire instead of fist fights.
"We don't even know what this is about," the relative said.
Until early Monday, Turner's family had hoped he was still alive, they said. Though it wasn't like him to run away.
The relative told Lando she'd heard the other boy went by Bibby, but his real name was Darnell.
Lando' gasped.
"You know him? Lil Bibby?"
Lando started crying, but she wanted to be sure. "Short, dark-skinned?"
"Yes," the relative said, "that's who he's in the field with."
Lando took a few steps away and sat down in the grass with her legs spread out in front of her.
"I took him into my home last year. He rough around the edges," Lando said. "Oh my god. Oh, oh, oh, Bibby."
They over there together, baby," the relative repeated.
"I tried to help that baby," Lando said. "I tried to help him. I tried to help him. Oh my god.... my boys are going to be devastated."
Flowers stayed with her family for a few months last summer when she had a house on 117th, she said. He'd been having a rough time, and her sons, a few years older, took him under their wing. He gave her no problems, did chores with the rest of the kids, and seemed earnest about turning his life in the right direction, she said.
When he left, he thanked her and told her he was going home.
"You could tell there was something on his mind, something haunted him from the past or something," Lando said.
Only people who knew him well would be able to pick up on it, and even then, it was hard to tell exactly what it was, she said. And most of the time, he was a fun kid who loved music, loved his phone and would sit on the porch with her teenage daughter telling jokes.
She'd heard about him getting into trouble on the streets, but he was always respectful and well-mannered under her roof, she said. Once, when she was planning to barbecue but got sick, he told her to lie down and he'd finish. He burned all the hot dogs, but it was a fun moment, she said.
"He just wanted to change his life," Lando said, blinking back a tear. "He tried. I tried."
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"They're killing the children."
WHERE THE FUCK ARE THE PROTEST MARCHES
WHERE'S BLM?
WHERE'S ANTIFA?
WHERE'S THE FUCKING KNEELING NFL HYPOCRITES?
"They're killing the children."
WHERE THE FUCK ARE THE PROTEST MARCHES
WHERE'S BLM?
WHERE'S ANTIFA?
WHERE'S THE FUCKING KNEELING NFL HYPOCRITES?