when the state kidnaps your children

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SmarterthanYou

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http://foxct.com/2013/11/19/hospita...l-for-9-months-after-parents-argue-diagnosis/

It’s a medical “mystery” that has left a Connecticut family baffled and heartbroken.

After a long history of medical problems, a West Hartford teenager is now “trapped” inside a hospital with seemingly no way out.

FOX CT spent the past few months investigating the emotional case.

It has been a bitter custody battle, and nine months after it started, it’s still going on.

Justina was diagnosed with mitochondrial disease a few years ago. It’s a genetic disorder that can cause loss of muscle coordination and weakness.

Despite that diagnosis she lived a normal life.

But last February, she also got the flu and was admitted to Boston Children’s Hospital to see her specialist.

Almost immediately, a different team of doctors delivered a different diagnosis, questioning the original diagnosis of mitochondrial disease.

“They came in, and they said we cannot take Justina out of the hospital. They called DCF,” says Linda Pelletier, Justina’s mother.

They said Justina had “somatoform disorder.”

In short, they were saying she suffered from a mental illness, not mitochondrial disease.

Her parents, Lou and Linda Pelletier, were escorted out of the hospital by security, and within four days, they lost custody of Justina.

In addition to working with Justina, Dean Hokanson also testified at one of the court proceedings.

“They were actually being accused of being too active in pursuing healthcare matters for their child,” says Hokanson.
 
Judge orders independent look at case of teen caught in medical controversy

A juvenile court judge in Boston ruled today that the state will retain custody of 15-year-old Justina Pelletier for the time being, but also appointed an independent investigator to take a new look at her case.

The decision extends the legal and medical saga involving Pelletier, who has spent the past 10 months at Boston Children’s Hospital, most of it in a locked psychiatric ward.

Her case centered on a controversial concept, “medical child abuse,” and showed the high-pitched emotions that can erupt when parents’ rights to determine their children’s medical care clash with the state’s responsibility to protect vulnerable children.
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curious, are all of you happy with this? would it be that way if it were your child?
 
nobody spoke up, except for two statist retards. so if/when it happens to your kids, you have no right to complain or object.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/lifestyl...ssachusetts/puyPhesGkKE6rGLid2VM2L/story.html

A long-running child custody case took a dramatic turn Tuesday, when a Massachusetts juvenile court judge awarded permanent custody of teenager Justina Pelletier to the state Department of Children and Families.

The ruling by Judge Joseph Johnston means the 15-year-old will probably stay in state custody until her 18th birthday unless her parents can prove they are fit to care for their child.

The judge’s four-page decision, which was provided to the Globe, was remarkable for its detail and forcefulness. Johnston faulted Connecticut’s child protection agency for its failure to get involved in a case involving a child from its state, and faulted Pelletier’s parents for their verbally abusive manner and haphazard decision-making that he says has sabotaged plans to move their daughter closer to home.
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Judge’s ruling in Pelletier case (PDF)
12/15: Teen in custody fight
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Johnston wrote that the parents called Boston Children’s Hospital personnel Nazis “and claimed the hospital was punishing and killing Justina. Efforts by hospital clinicians to work with the parents were futile and never went anywhere.”

More recently, he wrote, “there has not been any progress by the parents. Rather, the parents . . . continue to engage in very concerning conduct that does not give this court any confidence they will comply with conditions of custody.” He noted that because of allegations that Justina’s father, Lou Pelletier, threatened a state social worker assigned to the case, the worker had to be reassigned.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
i know that if it were my kid, the judge wouldn't be alive today. now, do you care to answer my question or just be a troll?
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Ironic. Troll post pleading for non-troll responses.

For all the scenarios you've posted saying you'd have shot the participants, surely you must have shot numerous people at this point in your life.

Please regale us with some of the tales of bravado. :rolleyes:
 
Taft2016 said:
Ironic. Troll post pleading for non-troll responses.

For all the scenarios you've posted saying you'd have shot the participants, surely you must have shot numerous people at this point in your life.

Please regale us with some of the tales of bravado. :rolleyes:
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it's amusing to watch the projection of cowards who have zero principles, like you, challenge others with idiotic requests.
 
It's a fucked up case. Here's a fuller treatment:

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/12/15/justina/vnwzbbNdiodSD7WDTh6xZI/story.html


I don't know the legal merits of the judge's decision, but I think the fact that the judge had to decide the issue at all is completely fucked. It was fucked for the people at Children's (and, as an institution, Childrens does great work on some of the toughest pediatric cases in the country) to contact the state instead of working with her parents, the disagreeing physicians and others that care about Justina to come to some sort of agreement about how to care for her.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
it's amusing to watch the projection of cowards who have zero principles, like you, challenge others with idiotic requests.
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So what would your plan be after the shooting the judge? Shooting the judge isn't going to get your child out of the hospital. So you'd have to shoot up the hospital personnel too.

And then what? Every physician in the country will be alerted to be on the lookout for you and your child. Will you deny medical care and allow your child to die just to save yourself?

Or turn you child over to the authorities and spend the rest of your life in prison?

You really don't think these outbursts of yours through, do you?

Become a fugitive from the law with your sickly child? Every physician across the country would be on the lookout for you and your child.
 
Taft2016 said:
So what would your plan be after the shooting the judge? Shooting the judge isn't going to get your child out of the hospital. So you'd have to shoot up the hospital personnel too.

And then what? Every physician in the country will be alerted to be on the lookout for you and your child. Will you deny medical care and allow your child to die just to save yourself?

Or turn you child over to the authorities and spend the rest of your life in prison?

You really don't think these outbursts of yours through, do you?

Become a fugitive from the law with your sickly child? Every physician across the country would be on the lookout for you and your child.
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and you think YOU'VE thought my plan through? LOL you really are that stupid.

my PLAN would be to shoot the judge and the hospital administrator that allowed or made the decision. then i'd surrender making sure that the entire nation knew why it happened and put the rest of the judges and so called authority figures on notice to be mindful of the rights of the people.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
and you think YOU'VE thought my plan through? LOL you really are that stupid.

my PLAN would be to shoot the judge and the hospital administrator that allowed or made the decision. then i'd surrender making sure that the entire nation knew why it happened and put the rest of the judges and so called authority figures on notice to be mindful of the rights of the people.
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And when I was on the jury, my vote to execute you would be the happiest one of my life.
 
If it were psychogenic illness, the parents would react harshly because they would be convinced that the doctors were somehow accusing them all of lying. This couldn't be further from the truth - psychogenic symptoms are very real for the patient, and not the result of any conscious deception. There have even been cases of psychogenic paralysis, where people who were under the impression that the ill person might be lying to them stuck pins in their legs, which produced no response. If the child remained in their care, they would go from doctor to doctor seeking various invasive medical treatments, detrimental to the child's health health, for symptoms that were the results of their illness and had no physical cause, walking out on anyone who suggested a psychogenic cause, merely looking for the answer that pleased them.
 
Tyrion the Imp said:
I'm sure we'd be better off if the Libertarian party got into power, passed the "unlimited power over your child for any reason law", and thousands died due to medical neglect by abusive parents.
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do you have any kids? is it then your contention that the government and the people as a whole know how to parent better than you?
 
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