when the bill comes due

It is true. Everyone pays taxes. It may not be necessarily income tax. There is also phone taxes, gas taxes, sales taxes, medicare taxes, SS taxes, business taxes, hidden taxes on products (taxes that others pay to produce the product, and is simply passed onto you in the price).

Everyone pays taxes.

The subject here is income tax.
 
Biden's bill was a great boon to the poor and middle class. I understand why reds hate it. They are voters for a ruling class.
LBJ said " If you can convince the lowest white man that he is better than the best colored man, you can pick his pocket. Hell if we give him someone to look down on, he will empty his pockets for you."
The reds here, like Text, are showing that.
 
given that Obama's net contribution to the national debt was larger than that of every president before him combined (including all the Republicans), your statements demonstrate nothing more than the ignorance commonly displayed by the JPP lib'ruls......[/QUOTE
One pathetic discredited lie after
 
The economy improved under Reagan, a lot..

No it didn't.

Two years into his first term, the economy entered into a recession and unemployment shot up to above 10%. It didn't get under control until Reagan RAISED TAXES in 1982/3.

His term ended with Black Monday and the S&L Scandal & subsequent taxpayer-funded bailout which was the largest bailout ever until TARP, which was needed to save the economy from another disastrous Republican President.


The economy improved under Drumpf as well, a lot.

Trump never once topped Obama's best annual GDP growth.

The stock market grew at its slowest pace in ten years in the three years following the tax cut.

And you lost 20M jobs last year.

The economy never did better for Trump than it did for Obama, and a year after the tax cut, manufacturing plunged into a recession for all of 2019, and the rest of the economy followed in February 2020, before the COVID lockdowns.
 
Both Presidents had the right idea. Get government out of the way, and the economy will take off. It did in both cases.

This is a lie.

Trump never topped Obama's best annual GDP growth.

Trump left office with fewer jobs than he inherited.

Both Trump and Reagan left office amidst economic catastrophe: For Reagan, it was S&L's, for Trump, it was COVID.

Government got out of the way, and 500K people died.


The federal government's debt problem and the economy are not related.

Yeah, because federal debt isn't a problem, nor does it have anything to do with the economy.


The federal government only HAS a debt problem because it spends too much money.

Yes, on things like tax cuts which have nothing to show for the nearly $10T of them we've done the last 20 years.

The federal debt is just a scorecard of federal spending...if we have $20T of federal debt with nothing to show for it, then it's clear that the tax cuts were a gigantic mistake.

If we had 20T worth of debt, but HAD things to show for it, then you would have no real argument. But you made sure that we would have debt with nothing to show for it.
 
Debt is a big problem in the federal government.

So many lies and so much disinformation.

Debt is not a big problem for the federal government because the only thing debt could possibly affect are borrowing rates, and we've had 10 years of record low borrowing rates with this debt.

Nothing you are saying is accurate. It's all bullshit.
 
Not yet. It's near though. People are already searching around for another currency. Bitcoin, gold, and silver seem to be favored so far.

The dollar will not go to zero value. It will become worth much less than it is now, but it will not go to zero.
The real upshot of this is that the SODC, which can only spend dollars and has no gold or silver, will be forced to curtail it's activities.

That's not going to happen quietly, unfortunately.

It's going to get very, very ugly.
 
What crash? The stock market is higher now than it ever was under Trump, and Biden created more jobs in February than Trump did in any month of his Presidency.

Retail sales have crashed - a true indicator - while the stock market is now an outlying indicator; link please.
 
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Psst, Bobby? It's all monopoly money anyway! When our economy went in the crapper under Reagan or the Shrub, didn't Dead Eye Dick Cheney say, "Deficits don't matter"? And didn't right wing wonks like you clap and barked liked trained seals?

STFU, Bobby.


your defiantly one of the ignorant ones if you don't see a problem in the future . enjoy it when it hits and live with it dumbass

Note, dear readers, the childish bluff and bluster response by Bobby that avoids the points I put forth. Typical of Trump Chumps when their lame propaganda doesn't stand up to scrutiny well.
 
Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Psst, Bobby? It's all monopoly money anyway! When our economy went in the crapper under Reagan or the Shrub, didn't Dead Eye Dick Cheney say, "Deficits don't matter"? And didn't right wing wonks like you clap and barked liked trained seals?

STFU, Bobby.


The economy improved under Reagan, a lot.
The economy improved under Trump as well, a lot.

Both Presidents had the right idea. Get government out of the way, and the economy will take off. It did in both cases.
The federal government's debt problem and the economy are not related. The federal government only HAS a debt problem because it spends too much money.

Reality check:

https://www.thebalance.com/reaganomics-did-it-work-would-it-today-3305569

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-45827430

30 years of reaganomics resulted in a damned near 2nd depression under Reagan and the Bush family, with Clinton only providing a speed bump to Dump restarting the economic debacle.
Your last 2 sentences are a display of sheer ignorance regarding the country's economy.
 
Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Note, dear readers, the childish bluff and bluster response by Bobby that avoids the points I put forth. Typical of Trump Chumps when their lame propaganda doesn't stand up to scrutiny well.

Nah. He addressed what little point you had.

Explain to the reading audience precisely and in no uncertain terms how. No generalized opinions...a critical analysis please.
 
And once again we have a winger with a selective memory

After four years of cavalier spending that didn’t concern them a bit we are now suppose to take them serious when they tell us they are suddenly concerned with deficits and debt

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The Repubs have done this for decades. Perhaps the people finally understand. Almost all Dems said the reds would wave the phony flag of debt when we got in. Then they started after 50 days. They lie and lie. Trumpies buy and buy. This has been the red plan since the 1980s.
 
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