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When Poland speaks of the "Western Betrayal", they are not speaking of the support

When Poland speaks of the "Western Betrayal", they are not speaking of the support sent to Poland by the West, they are speaking of the lack of support. France and the UK had promised massive material support before and after Germany invaded Poland. France and the UK had promised that Germany would be attacked immediately(within two weeks) to open up a second front. Instead, there was an eight month period of the Phoney War, where the Western Allies tried to figure out a way out of fighting the war.

In the future, if Ukraine speaks of a "Western Betrayal", they will not be complaining we gave them too much help when the Russians attacked them. If trump or DeSantis wins the election, and cuts Ukraine off, Ukrainians will speak of that as the Western Betrayal. Their civilians will be rounded up, with the parents being killed, and the children sent off to reeducation camps. The survivors will curse trump, or DeSantis.

When Kurds speak of the "Western Betrayal", they are speaking either of the end of WWI, or of trump's betrayal of them in Syria.
 
Earl said:
How is this a current political event thread, Walter?
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Russia invaded Ukraine, and there is a war there. The question is what will Ukrainians consider a betrayal. I really do not have the time to explain to you all the events in Ukraine, and all the claims by the alt right, but they are definitely current affairs. Try reading past the first sentence of a post, and you will not need someone to explain them to you.
 
Walt said:
Russia invaded Ukraine, and there is a war there. The question is what will Ukrainians consider a betrayal. I really do not have the time to explain to you all the events in Ukraine, and all the claims by the alt right, but they are definitely current affairs. Try reading past the first sentence of a post, and you will not need someone to explain them to you.
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Don't mind pEarl. He's one of Putin's Pet Puppets.

What do you think of the West providing Ukraine with fighter jets, and training?
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
What do you think of the West providing Ukraine with fighter jets, and training?
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It won't make a difference now, because it will take at least 6 months for the pilots to be trained, but it will make a huge difference in 6 months.

Biden keeps slicing the salami. No individual move is enough for Putin to really complain about, but we keep doing things Putin would have never tolerated had we done it all at once. This is not quick or satisfying, but it is a good road to Ukraine winning without expanding the war.
 
It’s sad if you think Biden is actually supporting Ukraine

Sending some billions and a few pieces of military aid is just for show

We are not going to risk a war with Russia for the sake of Ukraine

The sooner Ukraine realizes that and negotiated a settlement the better off they will be

Putin has already said he’s ready meaning he’s happy with what he has taken but Zelenskyy is being a prick and demanding the world go to war for him.
 
Walt said:
When Poland speaks of the "Western Betrayal", they are not speaking of the support sent to Poland by the West, they are speaking of the lack of support. France and the UK had promised massive material support before and after Germany invaded Poland. France and the UK had promised that Germany would be attacked immediately(within two weeks) to open up a second front. Instead, there was an eight month period of the Phoney War, where the Western Allies tried to figure out a way out of fighting the war.

In the future, if Ukraine speaks of a "Western Betrayal", they will not be complaining we gave them too much help when the Russians attacked them. If trump or DeSantis wins the election, and cuts Ukraine off, Ukrainians will speak of that as the Western Betrayal. Their civilians will be rounded up, with the parents being killed, and the children sent off to reeducation camps. The survivors will curse trump, or DeSantis.

When Kurds speak of the "Western Betrayal", they are speaking either of the end of WWI, or of trump's betrayal of them in Syria.
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Kurds helped Turkey in the genocide of Armenians.
 
Tinkerpeach said:
It’s sad if you think Biden is actually supporting Ukraine

Sending some billions and a few pieces of military aid is just for show

We are not going to risk a war with Russia for the sake of Ukraine

The sooner Ukraine realizes that and negotiated a settlement the better off they will be

Putin has already said he’s ready meaning he’s happy with what he has taken but Zelenskyy is being a prick and demanding the world go to war for him.
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Russia is not done taking land, but they prob will be by the end of summer. What is left of Ukraine will need to agree to be neutral, not NATO.
 
Walt said:
When Poland speaks of the "Western Betrayal", they are not speaking of the support sent to Poland by the West, they are speaking of the lack of support. France and the UK had promised massive material support before and after Germany invaded Poland. France and the UK had promised that Germany would be attacked immediately(within two weeks) to open up a second front. Instead, there was an eight month period of the Phoney War, where the Western Allies tried to figure out a way out of fighting the war.

In the future, if Ukraine speaks of a "Western Betrayal", they will not be complaining we gave them too much help when the Russians attacked them. If trump or DeSantis wins the election, and cuts Ukraine off, Ukrainians will speak of that as the Western Betrayal. Their civilians will be rounded up, with the parents being killed, and the children sent off to reeducation camps. The survivors will curse trump, or DeSantis.

When Kurds speak of the "Western Betrayal", they are speaking either of the end of WWI, or of trump's betrayal of them in Syria.
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Poland had alliances with Britain and France in 1939. Ukraine doesn't have any such thing with the West in 2023.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Russia is not done taking land, but they prob will be by the end of summer. What is left of Ukraine will need to agree to be neutral, not NATO.
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Most analysts disagree with you

They have control of four or five regions that have historically been Russian and who’s people identify as being Russian

I don’t know enough about the region to debate on this however but it appears they have no intention of taking the whole nation
 
Tinkerpeach said:
Most analysts disagree with you

They have control of four or five regions that have historically been Russian and who’s people identify as being Russian

I don’t know enough about the region to debate on this however but it appears they have no intention of taking the whole nation
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No, they will not take the whole nation unless they have no other choice, but they are not done taking the historically Russian areas. They might well make what is left of Ukraine a land locked nation.

Re the "Experts".....I mean really.....these days you are more likely to be right if you believe the exact opposite of the the so-called experts proclaim.

Yes, I do remember saying "The experts believe" in a thread in the last couple of days, which I rarely do.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
No, they will not take the whole nation unless they have no other choice, but they are not done taking the historically Russian areas. They might well make what is left of Ukraine a land locked nation.

Re the "Experts".....I mean really.....these days you are more likely to be right if you believe the exact opposite of the the so-called experts proclaim.

Yes, I do remember saying "The experts believe" in a thread in the last couple of days, which I rarely do.
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Ok well thank you for the information, I am still researching this topic
 
Tinkerpeach said:
Ok well thank you for the information, I am still researching this topic
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This is the best daily YouTuber in my opinion:


Judging Freedom with Judge Napolitano tends to be good for overview.

I also look to see what the Russians and their best friends the Chinese say on their propaganda channels RT/Sputnik/Global Times.

Make sure to skim the transcripts of Putins speeches.

I recommend skimming the Western Propaganda on MSM , but they are less honest than the Russians and the Chinese.
 
I dont know why I called it MSM....I call it what it is now....Regime Media, a term I think I first heard from Jimmy Dore.
 
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