When Did Feminism Become So Embarrassing?

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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...d_feminism_become_so_embarrassing_114867.html

According to Slate’s Amanda Marcotte, Mayer’s rejection of the feminist label boils down to pure cowardice: “Those who take up the mantle of social justice have always been people who, for whatever reason, are willing to be hated and willing to suffer repeated losses that affect them personally. . . . Someone who would rather do what's right than what's profitable simply isn't going to climb very high on that corporate ladder. ” Mayer, feminist writers seem to agree, is ditching the ideological date that brought her to the dance.

Ok... ladies... please help make sense of the above... cause batshit crazy springs to mind when I read it.
 
let me splain it to you lucy.


The work that feminists hasve done in the past is what has enabled this woman to get the chance to be where she is.


Do you know why feminism has been associated with all those negative things she mentions?


Its the attempts if those who dont want women to gain anything in society have worked hard to label them that way.


The CEO accepted those labels as of they were deserved while benifiting from all those women who "did the right thing" and helped advance the women behind them.
 
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...d_feminism_become_so_embarrassing_114867.html



Ok... ladies... please help make sense of the above... cause batshit crazy springs to mind when I read it.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_facto...he_s_not_a_feminist_and_that_makes_sense.html

That's Marcotte's entire Slate piece and I have no idea what is "bat shit" crazy about it. Weird that anyone would view it that way. I didn't read the article on realclear politics.

My own opinion is that I do understand how professional feminists feel. There is zero doubt that a pregnant woman could not become CEO without feminism. I think it would have behooved Mayer to mention that.

OTOH, professional feminists who are in academia or as is more prevalent these days, have crafted careers writing for various internet outlets, including their own blogs, are really very isolated. They have no idea what it's like to succeed in a male dominated field. Whether we like it or not (I don't) the backlashers have managed to tag feminism with many negative connotations. My business is in a male dominated field and my competition is nearly 100% male. It's like 98% male, it's mind-blowing. It's also very aggressive. I love beating them. Love it. I don't beat them by going into potential customers and telling them I'm a feminist. I beat them anyway I can including using some clearly unfeminist tactics.

Succeeding in a male-dominated field: That is living feminist without identifying as feminist. There's nothing wrong with that and I disagree with some other feminists that there is. Susan B Anthony said "Our job is not to make young women grateful, it is to make them ungrateful."

Mayers is serving as a feminist role-model regardless of what she calls herself. She is also a very liberal woman. Everyone knows she is an Obama supporter and a Democrat. What most don't know is that she is also a big contributor to Blue America! Blue America works for and supports progressive challengers to Blue Dog Democrats in primaries.

I'll take her!
 
let me splain it to you lucy.


The work that feminists hasve done in the past is what has enabled this woman to get the chance to be where she is.


Do you know why feminism has been associated with all those negative things she mentions?


Its the attempts if those who dont want women to gain anything in society have worked hard to label them that way.


The CEO accepted those labels as of they were deserved while benifiting from all those women who "did the right thing" and helped advance the women behind them.

I agree. However she became incredibly and almost unimaginably successful in the tech field - a field that we know is hostile to women. Going around calling herself a feminist in the tech field would almost have definitely hindered her. You do what you have to do. Now that she is there she should tip her hat to feminism...she couldn't be there without it. BUT, she may very well have internalized all of the negative propaganda about feminism. I know many women who have. I know women who IMO actually hate men, who tell me they wont' call themselves feminists because they believe it means you hate men. LOL. I am talking about for instance, a woman who steals men's money off of bars after they buy her champagne which is the only thing she will drink when a man is paying. I mean, women who clearly hate men. It's so funny to me. I just shake my head.

I call myself a feminist whenever asked, and I will volunteer it at times, but I don't go around talking about it in business. And I don't steal men's money off of bars or try to get them to buy me expensive shit. Some say that means I hate men. I say, "whatever". :)
 
http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_facto...he_s_not_a_feminist_and_that_makes_sense.html

That's Marcotte's entire Slate piece and I have no idea what is "bat shit" crazy about it. Weird that anyone would view it that way. I didn't read the article on realclear politics.

My own opinion is that I do understand how professional feminists feel. There is zero doubt that a pregnant woman could not become CEO without feminism. I think it would have behooved Mayer to mention that.

OTOH, professional feminists who are in academia or as is more prevalent these days, have crafted careers writing for various internet outlets, including their own blogs, are really very isolated. They have no idea what it's like to succeed in a male dominated field. Whether we like it or not (I don't) the backlashers have managed to tag feminism with many negative connotations. My business is in a male dominated field and my competition is nearly 100% male. It's like 98% male, it's mind-blowing. It's also very aggressive. I love beating them. Love it. I don't beat them by going into potential customers and telling them I'm a feminist. I beat them anyway I can including using some clearly unfeminist tactics.

Succeeding in a male-dominated field: That is living feminist without identifying as feminist. There's nothing wrong with that and I disagree with some other feminists that there is. Susan B Anthony said "Our job is not to make young women grateful, it is to make them ungrateful."

Mayers is serving as a feminist role-model regardless of what she calls herself. She is also a very liberal woman. Everyone knows she is an Obama supporter and a Democrat. What most don't know is that she is also a big contributor to Blue America! Blue America works for and supports progressive challengers to Blue Dog Democrats in primaries.

I'll take her!

I'm all in favour of equality of the sexes in fact I have been fighting for it for years. I am sick and tired of being expected to give my seat for a female: they never return the complement. I dont want to hold a door open while dozens of head down and brogued ladies push past. I want a lady to open a door for me....just once. When I go to the office no one gives me slack when I make a mistake cos I dont have big tits and a micro skirt. If I get a girl pregnant her father comes chasing after me, my father doesnt go chasing after her! When I bat my eyelids the only thing that happens is that my eyes water. If I was in films I would not get as far as the interview room let alone the casting couch. When I get married I have nothing but a lifetime of providing to look forward to. And ladies it does NOT take all day to clean the dining room! I can do it in ten minutes, flop on the sofa, mess up again, clean up again and still have time to watch football.
Yes equality is well worth fighting for.
What do you say lads. Lets go for it!
 
okay I just read the realclear politics article. No wonder she took Marcotte out of context and didn't even link to her entire piece. She's a radical anti-choice lunatic attempting to claim that Mayer is one of her own.

But as I said, the records show that Mayer donates to Blue America. So, no. Definitely pro-choice as are most accomplished women. Definitely not an anti-sex shamer as this woman is.

Nice try though. :)

Sf you should email her maybe she is available? Sounds like you'll have to cough up a ring before you get any though. Good luck!
 
maybe they cant pull their scams on men as easily if they believe in feminism.


Feminism is about fairness and ripping poor guys off simply because they mistake you as a decent human being who might be fun to know is pretty anti feminist.



Some girls just want to keep playing the old games that tarts played because of the void of fairness that a man dominiated society of the past created.

Those girl tarts are a woman biggest enemy.


They give men reason to mistakenly hate real women
 
I'm all in favour of equality of the sexes in fact I have been fighting for it for years. I am sick and tired of being expected to give my seat for a female: they never return the complement. I dont want to hold a door open while dozens of head down and brogued ladies push past. I want a lady to open a door for me....just once. When I go to the office no one gives me slack when I make a mistake cos I dont have big tits and a micro skirt. If I get a girl pregnant her father comes chasing after me, my father doesnt go chasing after her! When I bat my eyelids the only thing that happens is that my eyes water. If I was in films I would not get as far as the interview room let alone the casting couch. When I get married I have nothing but a lifetime of providing to look forward to. And ladies it does NOT take all day to clean the dining room! I can do it in ten minutes, flop on the sofa, mess up again, clean up again and still have time to watch football.
Yes equality is well worth fighting for.
What do you say lads. Lets go for it!

I hold the door open for old men all of the time. Non-seniors it depends, if they are so close that it would be incredibly rude to close it in their faces, then I do. Otherwise no. Many young women hate men holding the door open for them btw. It gives 50 something men the ability to demand a conversation with a 20 something girl. I always hated that when I was that young. So if it a bother for you Low, don't worry about it and skip holding the door open. I am certain that many young women will be thrilled not to have to give you a big smile (if you don't smile a lot of them say something about it, they're entitled now because they held the door open) and say thank you.

But if you don't hold the door open for an elderly lady, or an elderly man for that matter, then that is just mean. I do it.
 
I think the feminism movement fell prey to the same thing that so many social movements have. There are extremists who write or say outlandish things, and the media or the haters make sure that nonsense gets the press.

Who was that woman that wrote about marriage being an institution of slavery and rape? I forget her name, but she certainly got the press.

Just like PETA. It started out as a great idea to try and stop cruelty to animals, and was hijacked by the lunatic fringe.
 
I hold the door open for old men all of the time. Non-seniors it depends, if they are so close that it would be incredibly rude to close it in their faces, then I do. Otherwise no. Many young women hate men holding the door open for them btw. It gives 50 something men the ability to demand a conversation with a 20 something girl. I always hated that when I was that young. So if it a bother for you Low, don't worry about it and skip holding the door open. I am certain that many young women will be thrilled not to have to give you a big smile (if you don't smile a lot of them say something about it, they're entitled now because they held the door open) and say thank you.

But if you don't hold the door open for an elderly lady, or an elderly man for that matter, then that is just mean. I do it.

I hold the door for pretty much anyone. Its called "Good manners". What bothers me is that so many ignore my manners and pretend I don't exist. When those folks walk by I just say "You're Welcome" in a loud voice.
 
okay I just read the realclear politics article. No wonder she took Marcotte out of context and didn't even link to her entire piece. She's a radical anti-choice lunatic attempting to claim that Mayer is one of her own.

The term is pro-life. You have plenty of choices that you can make that will prevent pregnancies. But I don't want to turn this into an abortion thread. So I will leave it at that.

But as I said, the records show that Mayer donates to Blue America. So, no. Definitely pro-choice as are most accomplished women. Definitely not an anti-sex shamer as this woman is.

The term here is pro-abortion... not pro-choice. so a woman protecting the life of a child is an 'anti-sex shamer'??? Wow... that is the kind of bat shit crazy bullshit that gets 'feminists' the 'embarrassing' label. You can't stand the fact that sane women disagree with murdering children.

Yes, feminists today are most certainly embarrassing themselves. No wonder she wouldn't accept the label. She got where she is today on her own merits and hard work. Not because some feminist shouted sexism a few decades ago.
 
I'm all in favour of equality of the sexes in fact I have been fighting for it for years. I am sick and tired of being expected to give my seat for a female: they never return the complement. I dont want to hold a door open while dozens of head down and brogued ladies push past. I want a lady to open a door for me....just once. When I go to the office no one gives me slack when I make a mistake cos I dont have big tits and a micro skirt. If I get a girl pregnant her father comes chasing after me, my father doesnt go chasing after her! When I bat my eyelids the only thing that happens is that my eyes water. If I was in films I would not get as far as the interview room let alone the casting couch. When I get married I have nothing but a lifetime of providing to look forward to. And ladies it does NOT take all day to clean the dining room! I can do it in ten minutes, flop on the sofa, mess up again, clean up again and still have time to watch football.
Yes equality is well worth fighting for.





What do you say lads. Lets go for it!



dude you dont know Hollywood



btw I hold the door open for men all the time
 
The term is pro-life. You have plenty of choices that you can make that will prevent pregnancies. But I don't want to turn this into an abortion thread. So I will leave it at that.



The term here is pro-abortion... not pro-choice. so a woman protecting the life of a child is an 'anti-sex shamer'??? Wow... that is the kind of bat shit crazy bullshit that gets 'feminists' the 'embarrassing' label. You can't stand the fact that sane women disagree with murdering children.

Yes, feminists today are most certainly embarrassing themselves. No wonder she wouldn't accept the label. She got where she is today on her own merits and hard work. Not because some feminist shouted sexism a few decades ago.

So back when women were kept out of the workforce and there were no women CEO's women didn't work hard? Of course they did, and of course the feminist movement changed oppressive practices in this country and enabled women to compete on a more level playing field (though of course it has still not been completely leveled).

I see you didn't read your own article. The reason i call her anti-sex is because of statements like these:

I believe that casual sex is destructive, not empowering

I also generally shy away from celebrations of meaningless vulgarity, which, sadly, seems to be the leading theme in both Moran’s book and in the gigantic, flaming, multi-car pileup that is modern-day feminism. In “How to Be a Woman,” it’s OK to be a “slag” or a “slut,” as long as we’re “simply being honest about who we really are.” In interviews, Moran expresses approval for the recent rash of mortifying “Slut Walks,” in which young women strut down the street in ill-fitting, body-baring “clothing” in order to prove that they are empowered, not sexual objects. Which totally makes sense, if you’re crazy.

When it comes down to it, whether addressing abortion, sex, or any otherwise self-indulgent behavior, the message of “How to be a Woman” is this: “If it feels good, do it.”

It’s quite telling that one of Moran’s “heroes,” the recipient of several glowing pages in “How to Be a Woman,” is the pop singer Lady Gaga. If you listen to Moran, Lady Gaga is a feminine hero for our time, breaking boundaries, creating new social spaces, clearing the way for young people to cast off the shackles of oppression. Of course, if you’re really paying attention, you’ll notice that Lady Gaga is an updated Madonna clone in a meat dress, desperate to shock, mistaking vulgarity for creativity: the musical equivalent of an old, dying system’s last gasp.

No wonder certain feminists are getting so wound up. They have reason to be worried. Something new is out there—conservatism, decorum, chastity, and respect are downright radical these days—but it’s not poor Gaga.
 
No wonder certain feminists are getting so wound up. They have reason to be worried. Something new is out there—conservatism, decorum, chastity, and respect are downright radical these days

She's pro-chastity SF, so are you on board?
 
I hold the door open for old men all of the time. Non-seniors it depends, if they are so close that it would be incredibly rude to close it in their faces, then I do. Otherwise no. Many young women hate men holding the door open for them btw. It gives 50 something men the ability to demand a conversation with a 20 something girl. I always hated that when I was that young. So if it a bother for you Low, don't worry about it and skip holding the door open. I am certain that many young women will be thrilled not to have to give you a big smile (if you don't smile a lot of them say something about it, they're entitled now because they held the door open) and say thank you.

But if you don't hold the door open for an elderly lady, or an elderly man for that matter, then that is just mean. I do it.

If one wants to strike up a conversation with a young lady I would suggest that holding a heavy glass door in one hand, positioning oneself not to cause obstruction and competing with the obvious delights (for her) of some plastic mass produced shopping mall is hardly the place. Why not simply shout from your car, 'Hey, you up for it or not? OK Please yourself.' Hmm. No car....
 
So back when women were kept out of the workforce and there were no women CEO's women didn't work hard? Of course they did, and of course the feminist movement changed oppressive practices in this country and enabled women to compete on a more level playing field (though of course it has still not been completely leveled).

LMAO... sorry, but no. The feminists of the early 1900's-1950's were the pioneers that allowed for women to be seen as leaders and accepted in the work force. The feminists of the 1960's and beyond are why they are seen as embarrassing lunatics.

I see you didn't read your own article. The reason i call her anti-sex is because of statements like these:

I believe that casual sex is destructive, not empowering

I read the article. I accept her right to believe as she does. She is not anti-sex Darla... she simply views sex differently than you. But thanks for providing a good example of why the feminists of today are seen as embarrassments. You don't think women should be allowed to have their own opinions and views. You think they should all see things just as you do.

I also generally shy away from celebrations of meaningless vulgarity, which, sadly, seems to be the leading theme in both Moran’s book and in the gigantic, flaming, multi-car pileup that is modern-day feminism. In “How to Be a Woman,” it’s OK to be a “slag” or a “slut,” as long as we’re “simply being honest about who we really are.” In interviews, Moran expresses approval for the recent rash of mortifying “Slut Walks,” in which young women strut down the street in ill-fitting, body-baring “clothing” in order to prove that they are empowered, not sexual objects. Which totally makes sense, if you’re crazy.

Again, is she not entitled to her beliefs of what a 'strong woman' looks and acts like? According to you she is not. Strength is not determined by how outrageous or shocking you can be. Strength is believing in yourself... not in shocking others. Tell us, what does dressing like the above prove? Does it say 'I am a leader'? Does it say 'I am strong'?

It’s quite telling that one of Moran’s “heroes,” the recipient of several glowing pages in “How to Be a Woman,” is the pop singer Lady Gaga. If you listen to Moran, Lady Gaga is a feminine hero for our time, breaking boundaries, creating new social spaces, clearing the way for young people to cast off the shackles of oppression. Of course, if you’re really paying attention, you’ll notice that Lady Gaga is an updated Madonna clone in a meat dress, desperate to shock, mistaking vulgarity for creativity: the musical equivalent of an old, dying system’s last gasp.

Um... Lady Gaga is a Madonna wannabe. A very very cheap knockoff.
 
LMAO... sorry, but no. The feminists of the early 1900's-1950's were the pioneers that allowed for women to be seen as leaders and accepted in the work force. The feminists of the 1960's and beyond are why they are seen as embarrassing lunatics.

Actually no, first wave feminism's main goal was suffrage, and second wave feminism was more concerned with work place equality so you are wrong on the facts.

Either way, there is no doubt that without feminism, no woman could be CEO. That's not even debatable.
 
No wonder certain feminists are getting so wound up. They have reason to be worried. Something new is out there—conservatism, decorum, chastity, and respect are downright radical these days

She's pro-chastity SF, so are you on board?

She is entitled to view sex as she wishes. Just as you are. If she wishes to be chaste, I will respect that. If she wishes to run around and sleep with anyone and everyone, she has that choice too. I would respect that as well. Unlike you, I respect people's rights to determine for themselves what is right for them.
 
LMAO... sorry, but no. The feminists of the early 1900's-1950's were the pioneers that allowed for women to be seen as leaders and accepted in the work force. The feminists of the 1960's and beyond are why they are seen as embarrassing lunatics.

Actually no, first wave feminism's main goal was suffrage, and second wave feminism was more concerned with work place equality so you are wrong on the facts.

Either way, there is no doubt that without feminism, no woman could be CEO. That's not even debatable.

The only thing not even debatable is the fact that the above is nonsense.
 
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