What would you have done differently?
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Poor Blabo.
In 2001, the rich said that if their taxes were cut, they'd create jobs. Blabo believed it.
Taxes were cut. Did the rich create jobs?
In 2003, the rich said the tax cuts neede to be expanded, and they'd create jobs. Blabo believed it.
The tax cuts were expanded. Did the rich create jobs?
In 2010, the rich said the tax cuts needed to be extended, and they'd create jobs. Blabo believed it.
The tax cuts were extended. Did the rich create jobs?
Now the rich say they will create jobs if the capital gains tax is eliminated. Blabo believes it.
Poor Blabo.
In 2001, the rich said that if their taxes were cut, they'd create jobs. Blabo believed it.
Taxes were cut. Did the rich create jobs?
In 2003, the rich said the tax cuts neede to be expanded, and they'd create jobs. Blabo believed it.
The tax cuts were expanded. Did the rich create jobs?
In 2010, the rich said the tax cuts needed to be extended, and they'd create jobs. Blabo believed it.
The tax cuts were extended. Did the rich create jobs?
Now the rich say they will create jobs if the capital gains tax is eliminated. Blabo believes it.
Poor Blabo.
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How many corporations actually pay 35%, Dope?
This again doesn't change what I am stating. Drawing attention to the fact that you have been successful at putting more people on the dole than ever before, did not create jobs for them, and trying to make it sound like a good record is not the tack I would take on any Presidential campaign. If this is the best he can do, he will be a one-termer...
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Why do corporations dodge it, retard?
How many people ever paid 70-90% of their personal income tax last century, as an example?
How many people ever paid 70-90% of their personal income tax last century, as an example?
No he will be re-elected because there is no one worth electing running against him.
I can almost bet you Damo that food stamps as a stimulus won't be one of his campaign slogans, but the facts are facts, food stamps stimulate the economy, it may not be the type of stimulus we want, but the articles shows that people buying groceries are a good thing.
Yah, screw hungry people, they aren't worthless!
Not with unemployment above 8%, not with one of your main plans being to get more people on food stamps to "stimulate" the economy (again, appearance writes the ads that will be run against you). He'll be a one-termer, remember you thought Bush wouldn't win a second term and never thought he could win. You may be surprised who is electable when your candidate is running on fumes. I certainly don't think it will be Perry running against him, front-running before the real elections start taking place is never a sign you are going to win...
I will make a note of your prediction, and we will just have to wait and see!
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Ashamed of your front-runner, Teabaggers?
I think your point is valid, but( I'm also willing to admit that ) the keynesians are correct that( aside from the administrative costs) food stamps are an efficient stimulus tool. So for the extreme lefty keynesian, this is their finest hour.
Isn't the bolded kind of a strange juxtaposition?
Man, I do feel for you guys if Obama wins. I remember that feeling that there was no way Bush could get a 2nd. It's a tough 8 years - believe you me...
Not really. I never said Bush couldn't win a second term. It was the people predicting that "none of these are electable" that did. Anybody is electable. IMO, Bush proved it. It was a tough 8 years for me with Bush in office, his spendthrift ways, unconstitutional power grabs into education, the pill bill... Gawd. He was no conservative, but all I heard is how "conservative" he was.. Two nation-building undeclared wars...
Ugh...
All that being said, nobody with this kind of unemployment rates has been successful. Shoot, his numbers have fallen below anything Bush endured in his first four.
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With regards to the economy?
1. First and foremost is getting Veterans back to work. Everyone in the service with 18 months or less gets a MINIMUM of 30 hours a week job training in a commercial field by independent contractors. This'll help ensure that the coming military cuts don't simply inflate unemployment numbers. It'll also help by providing many jobs to civilians who can train vets.
2. Defense cuts. Raise retirement to 24 for government jobs. Strategic bomber force withdrawn, ultimate deadline of 15 years. Further draw down on nuclear arms, with the hopes of 50% of our current arsenal in 25 years.Government equipment surplused off, either in our own country or to foreign allies. All overseas bases, with the exception of our territories, Korea, Diego Garcia, and the Philippines. Reduction in fuel consuming vehicles with an emphasis on light armor and light infantry. Reopen the Springfield Armory. Scrap the land warrior program.
3. Nuclear power and a fuck load of it. Modernize ALL existing nuclear plants, and expand growth to encompass 40% of our power needs in 15 years. I might invest in geothermal as well, but I am currently ill informed about that particular option. Also on the energy front is modernizing our rail system. And encouraging cooperation with Russia, with the hopes of helping them extract their trapped natural resources (for a favorable price on them of course).
4. SFs Flat Tax proposal, minus the increased on every dollar after $1,000,000.
5. End our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. I'd still support Libya, but in a different capacity.
6. Bail out the banks, but with much firmer control on how they spend the money. Salary freezes (if not cuts) across the board and 25% of their profits each quarter go directly to paying their debt back.
7. Refuse a presidential salary. Pennies compared to whats at stake, but I cannot in good conscience accept a salary with the debt our nation has.
8. Pay cuts to congress. Americans are getting cut, they should feel the pain too.
9. Term limits on all national offices, with a 20 year total for all federally elected persons, not retroactive. Meaning that combined someone can only serve 20 years. Help get fresh blood into the political process. Also, lower the age minimum on each position 5 years. So reps are minimum of 20, senators 25, and the president 30.
10. End to all corporate welfare. Your specific industry doesn't deserve anything special. Small businesses however, will continue to receive special incentives, but not industry specific.
11. No auto bailouts. Ford can still get their line of credit, but GM and Chrysler are boned. They could also get credit if they asked.
12. Fuck ethanol. It's absolutely ridiculous to use a food product in such a way. Push hard for bio diesel from food WASTE and CNG for personal vehicles. Drill for both here (while sucking Russian cock for a better overseas rate as well).
Hmmmm that's all I can think of right now. Of course I have plenty of other policies but not for the economy right now.
1. First and foremost is getting Veterans back to work. Everyone in the service with 18 months or less gets a MINIMUM of 30 hours a week job training in a commercial field by independent contractors. This'll help ensure that the coming military cuts don't simply inflate unemployment numbers. It'll also help by providing many jobs to civilians who can train vets.
2. Defense cuts. Raise retirement to 24 for government jobs. Strategic bomber force withdrawn, ultimate deadline of 15 years. Further draw down on nuclear arms, with the hopes of 50% of our current arsenal in 25 years.Government equipment surplused off, either in our own country or to foreign allies. All overseas bases, with the exception of our territories, Korea, Diego Garcia, and the Philippines. Reduction in fuel consuming vehicles with an emphasis on light armor and light infantry. Reopen the Springfield Armory. Scrap the land warrior program.
3. Nuclear power and a fuck load of it. Modernize ALL existing nuclear plants, and expand growth to encompass 40% of our power needs in 15 years. I might invest in geothermal as well, but I am currently ill informed about that particular option. Also on the energy front is modernizing our rail system. And encouraging cooperation with Russia, with the hopes of helping them extract their trapped natural resources (for a favorable price on them of course).
4. SFs Flat Tax proposal, minus the increased on every dollar after $1,000,000.
5. End our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. I'd still support Libya, but in a different capacity.
6. Bail out the banks, but with much firmer control on how they spend the money. Salary freezes (if not cuts) across the board and 25% of their profits each quarter go directly to paying their debt back.
7. Refuse a presidential salary. Pennies compared to whats at stake, but I cannot in good conscience accept a salary with the debt our nation has.
8. Pay cuts to congress. Americans are getting cut, they should feel the pain too.
9. Term limits on all national offices, with a 20 year total for all federally elected persons, not retroactive. Meaning that combined someone can only serve 20 years. Help get fresh blood into the political process. Also, lower the age minimum on each position 5 years. So reps are minimum of 20, senators 25, and the president 30.
10. End to all corporate welfare. Your specific industry doesn't deserve anything special. Small businesses however, will continue to receive special incentives, but not industry specific.
11. No auto bailouts. Ford can still get their line of credit, but GM and Chrysler are boned. They could also get credit if they asked.
12. Fuck ethanol. It's absolutely ridiculous to use a food product in such a way. Push hard for bio diesel from food WASTE and CNG for personal vehicles. Drill for both here (while sucking Russian cock for a better overseas rate as well).
Hmmmm that's all I can think of right now. Of course I have plenty of other policies but not for the economy right now.
Silliness, it's like what I say goes into a singularity. I said avoid the impression you are saying that. Don't send your lackeys to tell people that food stamps are "good", it provides the meat of the ads that will run against you. You, start asking for quotes about impressions.
Quit being stupid, it doesn't suit you. You used to be better than this, but like Dune you've turned into stupid "gotcha" moments that are weak and unsupportable.
Food stamps are good.
And you do this shit all the time. I'll call you on it every time I catch it. You're just making shit up. No one ever said that its a good thing to have record numbers of people on food stamps. What Vilsack said was that food stamps are a good thing and that, in addition to helping people eat, are good for the economy. That's not controversial. Or stupid. And it doesn't create any "impression" except, apparently, among those who already have the impression that they want and just want more to bitch about.
Edit: And I love that you accuse me of trying to catch "stupid 'gotcha' moments" when what you are doing in this very thread is stupid "gotcha" bullshit. Nice touch. You're a pro.
No, you idiot. What I do all the time is act like I was on the campaign. I then say things I would say to my candidate. In this case, trying to impress everybody with the awesomeness of food stamps is foolish when one of the main things against you is that so many need them.
You spend all your time trying to play "gotcha" BS like this. It's just stupid. If you have an opinion about why it is a great idea to draw attention to the fact that under your Presidency more people than ever before need food stamps, tell me. Otherwise just admit you have no way to defend it and I'm right. If you are the President and more people than at any other time are in need of this kind of "stimulus" should you underline that for people?
You spend so much time trying to defend Obama by trying to "catch" me out asking for quotes on my opinions on how it is stupid to campaign on how awesome food stamps are that it really draws attention to how you can't defend him by pointing out the actual good things he has done with the first trillion we gave him... He wasted it and is desperate to make people believe he saved more jobs than there are Americans. "Bunches" of them. And that one I can find a quote for. "Bunches"...
How many jobs are in a bunch?