WHAT WOULD THE FOUNDERS SAY ABOUT "MAYOR" ZOHRAN MAMDANI
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The founders saw this as a great experiment. Some founders felt the next generation should rewrite the Constitution. They knew it would be out of date in time. Experiments require trying different ideas. Trump is trying to be an all-powerful president. Many of us see it as the end of the great experiment. We have to survive this one. to go on, and it is not a sure thing.
Mamdani is a local politician who speaks against the huge power of the wealthy. He is in no way a threat to America. Trump is.
Mamdani is a local politician who speaks against the huge power of the wealthy. He is in no way a threat to America. Trump is.
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Political Islam is not exactly a Liberal Democratic Order, in fact it's pretty much the polar opposite of a Liberal Democratic Order - DINGBAT !
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Cost will be a fraction of the Socialism Trump is forcing on America.So, if Mamdani does as promised what will be the outcome and cost of:
Government run grocery stores
Free bus use
Massive freezing of rents and rent control
Replacing police with social workers and "outreach" volunteers
Free child care
Jacking up taxes on corporations in NYC
Increasingly socialize healthcare
Making NYC far more of a "sanctuary city."
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T. A. Gardner
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A non-answer. What is "acceptable" to one person is unacceptable to another. If you can't give a ballpark figure, I will:
About $12 to $20 billion-a-year to begin with. Universal child care would run $6 billion on its own according to Mamdani's campaign and that's likely a very low ball figure.
How much would Democratic Socialist Mamdani’s agenda cost New York City taxpayers?
NYC mayoral candidate Zohran Mamdani proposes billions in new spending for universal childcare and social programs, funded in part through tax increases on wealthy residents.
www.foxbusiness.com
Zohran Mamdani launches affordability calculator
Zohran Mamdani's policies hinge on affordability. He launched a new calculator to show people what they'll save if he delivers on three promises.
www.nbcnewyork.com
Food costs money to grow, distribute, and use. There is a cost associated with that and that cost is neither $0 nor "free."
No, the problem is convincing people that buses are their best option for moving around. In most cases, buses don't come anywhere close to being the best option for most people and no matter the cost of using them, they won't. In Socialism, typically the government simply bans or taxes alternatives into the ground forcing people to use public transit because there are no alternatives.
Look up the history of public housing projects. They have been a disastrous failure everywhere they've been tried. Socialism has proven it cannot provide adequate shelter to the population. It instead, has invariably offered substandard, dangerous, crime riddled, shit housing at higher costs than private alternatives.
Because the second social workers or "outreach" volunteers are confronted with a criminal or worse, violent criminal they'll call the police. With fewer police, crime will skyrocket and the social workers will be useless while the volunteers will simply quit. Thus, you're back to needing more police.
In a capitalist system, childcare is the responsibility of the parents, not the state. The state acts as a crutch, then parent, and the children are far worse off for it. Socialism has once again already proven that the state makes a piss poor parent.
Even Mandami says it is. He wants to make NYC corporate taxes the highest in the US and raise taxes on millionaires in NYC by somewhere between 2 and 5%. In fact, top earners and millionaires in NYC are already working on leaving the city for somewhere else to avoid Mamdani's tax hikes. Many are simply relocating outside of NYC while staying in NY.
Over 25% of New Yorkers will consider fleeing Big Apple if Mamdani wins: poll
More than a quarter of New Yorkers will consider fleeing the Big Apple if Zohran Mamdani is elected mayor, according to a new poll that warns that a socialist-run City Hall “could reshape the city …
nypost.com
Businesses, likewise, are looking at leaving to avoid the massive new taxes.
Business leaders are threatening to leave New York City amid the unlikely ascension of Zohran Mamdani. This scenario has played out before—here’s what happened | Fortune
By backing a platform of economic redistribution, New Yorkers are committing "suicide by Mayor," one finance analyst said.
The only sector of healthcare with reasonable costs that is market driven today is cosmetic and related elective surgery. This sector rarely relies on health insurance for payment so the costs reflect what the market will bear. More government in healthcare means the costs will go up and go up significantly. Rationing will become the norm.
Hasn't worked well anywhere else on any sort of larger scale.
So, you like having criminals come in from everywhere on the planet along with the useless hum?
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"Here" being the antipodean continent, right?
"Acceptable" is a better answer than your guess. I know, I know...you suppose not. But you are you.A non-answer. What is "acceptable" to one person is unacceptable to another. If you can't give a ballpark figure, I will:
About $12 to $20 billion-a-year to begin with. Universal child care would run $6 billion on its own according to Mamdani's campaign and that's likely a very low ball figure.
How much would Democratic Socialist Mamdani’s agenda cost New York City taxpayers?
NYC mayoral candidate Zohran Mamdani proposes billions in new spending for universal childcare and social programs, funded in part through tax increases on wealthy residents.
Zohran Mamdani launches affordability calculator
Zohran Mamdani's policies hinge on affordability. He launched a new calculator to show people what they'll save if he delivers on three promises.
Food costs money to grow, distribute, and use. There is a cost associated with that and that cost is neither $0 nor "free."
The problem is how to fairly distribute an abundance of food.
Your side supposes it to be impossible...mostly because your side doesn't give a shit if people starve to death. Your side is slime, TA.
Nice try, but besides the point. If you provide free buses...people will use them. Plenty of people already use buses...and they have to pay for them.
Bullshit. NOBODY should go without shelter. But your side doesn't care about that, because your side does not give a shit if people die of exposure. In fact, your side would be happy with that happening.
Social workers or outreach workers can be used for some situations. You do not want to accept that because you want to hold social workers and outreach workers in very low regard. YOU want to hold almost everything besides yourself in very low regard. That has to do with your considerable anger issues...with which you really ought to be dealing.
The state can help. Socialism can help. Your loathing of socialism is almost certainly because of your considerable anger issues...with which you ought to be dealing.
Whatever.
Over 25% of New Yorkers will consider fleeing Big Apple if Mamdani wins: poll
More than a quarter of New Yorkers will consider fleeing the Big Apple if Zohran Mamdani is elected mayor, according to a new poll that warns that a socialist-run City Hall “could reshape the city …
Businesses, likewise, are looking at leaving to avoid the massive new taxes.
Business leaders are threatening to leave New York City amid the unlikely ascension of Zohran Mamdani. This scenario has played out before—here’s what happened | Fortune
By backing a platform of economic redistribution, New Yorkers are committing "suicide by Mayor," one finance analyst said.fortune.com
The only sector of healthcare with reasonable costs that is market driven today is cosmetic and related elective surgery. This sector rarely relies on health insurance for payment so the costs reflect what the market will bear. More government in healthcare means the costs will go up and go up significantly. Rationing will become the norm.
Only if we allow it. We spend more money on healthcare per capita than any country in the world...and we have a very low level of healthcare. IN fact, our healthcare overall SUCKS BIG TIME.
Fuck you.
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Why would we care what he "says" when his actions make any socialist action by Mamdani look like small ball.
You guys cry about Mamdani grocery stores as Trump is getting the government to take big stakes in Intel and other companies.
If you guys were not so stupid you would stop crying about the drop of water and pay attention to the Trump tidal wave of socialism.
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No one accepts your numbers but even granting them for sake of argument they are small ball compared to Trump socialism which you could give no fucks about, because you are hypocrite.A non-answer. What is "acceptable" to one person is unacceptable to another. If you can't give a ballpark figure, I will:
About $12 to $20 billion-a-year to begin with. Universal child care would run $6 billion on its own according to Mamdani's campaign and that's likely a very low ball figure.
How much would Democratic Socialist Mamdani’s agenda cost New York City taxpayers?
NYC mayoral candidate Zohran Mamdani proposes billions in new spending for universal childcare and social programs, funded in part through tax increases on wealthy residents.
Zohran Mamdani launches affordability calculator
Zohran Mamdani's policies hinge on affordability. He launched a new calculator to show people what they'll save if he delivers on three promises.
Food costs money to grow, distribute, and use. There is a cost associated with that and that cost is neither $0 nor "free."
No, the problem is convincing people that buses are their best option for moving around. In most cases, buses don't come anywhere close to being the best option for most people and no matter the cost of using them, they won't. In Socialism, typically the government simply bans or taxes alternatives into the ground forcing people to use public transit because there are no alternatives.
Look up the history of public housing projects. They have been a disastrous failure everywhere they've been tried. Socialism has proven it cannot provide adequate shelter to the population. It instead, has invariably offered substandard, dangerous, crime riddled, shit housing at higher costs than private alternatives.
Because the second social workers or "outreach" volunteers are confronted with a criminal or worse, violent criminal they'll call the police. With fewer police, crime will skyrocket and the social workers will be useless while the volunteers will simply quit. Thus, you're back to needing more police.
In a capitalist system, childcare is the responsibility of the parents, not the state. The state acts as a crutch, then parent, and the children are far worse off for it. Socialism has once again already proven that the state makes a piss poor parent.
Even Mandami says it is. He wants to make NYC corporate taxes the highest in the US and raise taxes on millionaires in NYC by somewhere between 2 and 5%. In fact, top earners and millionaires in NYC are already working on leaving the city for somewhere else to avoid Mamdani's tax hikes. Many are simply relocating outside of NYC while staying in NY.
Over 25% of New Yorkers will consider fleeing Big Apple if Mamdani wins: poll
More than a quarter of New Yorkers will consider fleeing the Big Apple if Zohran Mamdani is elected mayor, according to a new poll that warns that a socialist-run City Hall “could reshape the city …
Businesses, likewise, are looking at leaving to avoid the massive new taxes.
Business leaders are threatening to leave New York City amid the unlikely ascension of Zohran Mamdani. This scenario has played out before—here’s what happened | Fortune
By backing a platform of economic redistribution, New Yorkers are committing "suicide by Mayor," one finance analyst said.
The only sector of healthcare with reasonable costs that is market driven today is cosmetic and related elective surgery. This sector rarely relies on health insurance for payment so the costs reflect what the market will bear. More government in healthcare means the costs will go up and go up significantly. Rationing will become the norm.
Hasn't worked well anywhere else on any sort of larger scale.
So, you like having criminals come in from everywhere on the planet along with the useless hum?
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Do you understand the term "National security?" Intel, and other US chip makers make chips for military use. These are both proprietary and necessary for national defense. We can't outsource them to some other country. So, the government taking a stake in a company making what amounts to defense systems makes sense. They are needed and the cost, even if somewhat higher, has to be borne because we can't outsource our defense systems to third party nations, or worse, potential enemies.
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No it does not.
There are all sorts of industries and companies that are tied to "National Security"and your argument that then the US government must take ownership stakes in all of them is not only stupid but defies history where the US has worked with, but not had stakes in companies largely since inception.
What you are calling for is a fully integrated social state along the lines of CHina who does exactly what you say here and has stakes in all the industries and companies that it thinks are core to its security.
What a brilliant observation for someone as ignorant as Trump.
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My 'guess' is quoting Mamdani's numbers for the most part.
No, the problem is that food cost money to raise and store. Distribution is just one part of that problem. Or, are you saying that farmers and people in the distribution chain should work for free?
My side does math. That's something completely alien to the Left.
Why should someone who finds the bus inconvenient or difficult to use start using it simply because it's free? It's like the light rail here in Phoenix. Let's say I need to go to Phoenix city hall to get a building permit. I could drive downtown and park for $5 in a garage and walk a few blocks to city hall, get the permit and then drive to wherever. Or, I could take the light rail at about triple the time for $2 to do the same thing.
Time is money, and saving about two hours, possibly three, by driving downtown is a major savings over using the light rail. So, why wouldn't I do that?
Same thing in NYC. If the bus takes a lot longer, is potentially unsafe, but is free and I can drive to where I need to go and park for say $10 but I'm making thousands that day in pay, why the fuck would I bother with the bus to save a couple of bucks?
What you will see is people who already take the bus now take it for free as the bus system loses millions upon millions in fares that have to be made up to keep the drivers paid and the buses running.
Shelter isn't a "Right." It has to be paid for somehow. People know they need shelter--except maybe the mentally ill. They need to work to the extent they can to pay for that. They also don't deserve opulent suites or whatever.
They can't be used for virtually any situation the police show up to now. They aren't going to fix domestic violence. They aren't going to fix turnstile jumpers on the subway or pickpockets and that sort of thing. They are secondary to the police. That is, when the cops think a social worker can help, they can request one rather than have the social worker requesting police at virtually every call they go to.
The state should be the last resort, not the first.
Actually, the US has some of the finest and best healthcare on the planet. What the US doesn't have in most surveys of those systems is a socialized one which is how the survey grades systems. That is, they grade on things like "Access to care," or "Fairness," or something like cost sharing.
On actual level and quality of care, the US usually is like first or second. Sure, it's expensive but it's top notch.