What was bad about the Iran Deal?

[Cancel 2020.1]

You are a moronic troll. No one should take your threads seriously.

More namecalling & emotion.

Can you expound on what is wrong w/ the question of the OP? It seems like a natural question for people who are into politics after a decision like yesterday's - for both sides. I can't think of why it's not a valid question for debate, for anyone who supports or opposes the move.

 

[canceled.2021.1]

Same answer for North Korea?

Yes

 

[Stretch]

Just what WAS so bad about the Iran deal? It's origins.............

A global threat emerges
How Hezbollah turned to trafficking cocaine and laundering money through used cars to finance its expansion.

In its determination to secure a nuclear deal with Iran, the Obama administration derailed an ambitious law enforcement campaign targeting drug trafficking by the Iranian-backed terrorist group Hezbollah, even as it was funneling cocaine into the United States, according to a POLITICO investigation.

The campaign, dubbed Project Cassandra, was launched in 2008 after the Drug Enforcement Administration amassed evidence that Hezbollah had transformed itself from a Middle East-focused military and political organization into an international crime syndicate that some investigators believed was collecting $1 billion a year from drug and weapons trafficking, money laundering and other criminal activities.

...story continues at https://www.politico.com/interactives/2017/obama-hezbollah-drug-trafficking-investigation/

 

[Nordberg]

We pay them billions, and get very little. All they have to do is suspend some centrifuges for a few years. They get sanction relief and billions of dollars. They don't even have to agree not to build nukes after some time.

They didn't have to suspend their missile program. Or if they did, they have now broken the deal.

Obummer also paid a ransom in the form of billions being delivered secretly in the form of crates. This is despicable.

I didn't think anyone was still that uninformed. Even most rightys recognize that Obama gave Iran back their money that we had confiscated. I guess facts don't enter your bunker.,

 

[canceled.2021.1]

I like that it is effective in preventing Iran from developing nuclear technology.

Why is it any of our business?

Do you think they are a threat?

What are you prepared to do to really stop them?

 

[canceled.2021.1]

We halted the Iranian nuclear program and now by withdrawing we are allowing them to start it all over again. Is that want you want, what you are looking for?

I don’t care if they have a nuclear program. Why do you care? Why is it any of our business?

 

[Superfreak]

More namecalling & emotion.

Can you expound on what is wrong w/ the question of the OP? It seems like a natural question for people who are into politics after a decision like yesterday's - for both sides. I can't think of why it's not a valid question for debate, for anyone who supports or opposes the move.

It is a valid question. But when a troll starts the discussion with stupidity, its not likely to lead to anything more than what the thread has become. When you state that Trump thinks he knows more than others, I pointed out that you never would have stated the same about Obama. You would have bowed down and worshiped his infinite wisdom.

Like DACA, Obama circumvented Congress. That in an of itself was a bad idea.

Giving Iran the money was a bad idea.

As for pulling out, I am not a 'rumper' whatever that is and thus, the question was not for me.

 

[floridafan]

I don’t care if they have a nuclear program. Why do you care? Why is it any of our business?

Your leader seems to care that NK was developing a nuclear weapons program, is that any different?

 

[canceled.2021.1]

Your leader seems to care that NK was developing a nuclear weapons program, is that any different?

I don’t agree with him. No it isn’t different. Nice try.

Want to try a different tactic?

 

[Stretch]

And, maybe because the $150billion stimulus money was used in sending that pile of cash..guess that took a bit of the sting out of the sanctions.

 

[floridafan]

I don’t agree with him. No it isn’t different. Nice try.

Want to try a different tactic?

OK, so trump cancelled the agreement because he wanted Iran to use their free will and do anything they wanted- right?

 

[moon]

Easy

We should make NO DEALS with Terror Nations!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But ' Israel' is on the receiving end of a recent 50 billion dollar hand-out. Why aren't you objecting ?

 

[Stretch]

Who's one of Iran’s most important allies? Russia. And, Trump just flipped Russia off. LOL Yup. The very same Trump who the left believes "helped" Trump win the election. Trump somehow doesn't act act like he owes him.

 

[canceled.2021.1]

OK, so trump cancelled the agreement because he wanted Iran to use their free will and do anything they wanted- right?

Did I say that? He had his own reasons. I am under no obligation to agree with them. I stated my reason it is a bad deal

I am suspecting you libs are just upset because it is something Obama did

Time was liberals didn’t like us telling other countries what to do.

Guess it depends on who is doing the tellin

 

[floridafan]

Did I say that? He had his own reasons. I am under no obligation to agree with them. I stated my reason it is a bad deal

I am suspecting you libs are just upset because it is something Obama did

Time was liberals didn’t like us telling other countries what to do.



Guess it depends on who is doing the tellin

You are so full of shit, Trump shit. There is absolutely nothing that he could ever do that garbage like you would ever disagree with him. So go fuck yourself and keep licking his ass.

 

[Cancel 2020.1]

It is a valid question. But when a troll starts the discussion with stupidity, its not likely to lead to anything more than what the thread has become. When you state that Trump thinks he knows more than others, I pointed out that you never would have stated the same about Obama. You would have bowed down and worshiped his infinite wisdom.

Like DACA, Obama circumvented Congress. That in an of itself was a bad idea.

Giving Iran the money was a bad idea.

As for pulling out, I am not a 'rumper' whatever that is and thus, the question was not for me.

Bowed down to Obama? The guy I didn't vote for in '12, and who I have called a narcissist a few times on this board?

Sorry - don't project. I have never defended a politician like you are defending Trump on a daily basis.

 

[canceled.2021.1]

You are so full of shit, Trump shit. There is absolutely nothing that he could ever do that garbage like you would ever disagree with him. So go fuck yourself and keep licking his ass.

So I say I disagree with him but you don’t believe it?

You should play Werewolf. You and USF would make a great pair

 

[anatta]

This is what I wrote to Annatta yesterday. Short answer but my basic thoughts. I should add by stopping Iran's adventurism in the M.E. I mean by diplomacy, not war. Again, I could be shown to be (very) wrong here. So many responses were about Trump and Obama hence my comments on them.



Interesting, I'm a fan of the move. I know there are many differing, and passionate, opinions on this. But I believe it was a poorly done deal at time it was completed. That Iran has been cheating, as they planned to all along. And they have taken the money we've given them and used it to sponsor terrorism in the M.E.

Other countries liked the deal because they want Iran's money. Ultimately though, they'd rather partner with the U.S. than Iran.

And I've seen all the comments across various media outlets today that this was racist and anti-Obama etc. etc. Lord knows I am not a Trump fan but I do support this action. Pulling out the deal is just step one. Now it is incumbent upon Trump and his team to work with Congress to get sanctions in place and doing what it takes to stop Iran's adventurism in the M.E.

yes. i recall that. Iran has been Ok if not great without doing business with the USA.

It looks like Europe will continue to do so.Iran has a military force in Syria, as well as their proxies Hezbollah.
The Houthi's ( Iran proxies in Yemen) just shot off 4 missiles at Riyadh

The biggest miscalculation by Obama was that the deal was going to do anything.
A couple years breakout time one way or the other doesn't matter.
We just gave them a bunch of money and took off sanctions for little return

Yes the region will almost surely go towards proliferation; if Iran as a signatory of the non-Proliferation Agreement can get nukes : any one can.

The biggest miscalculation by Trump is that cancelling the deal makes any real difference to Iran.
They have all kinds o commercial ties now that the agreement let them get going.

Iran is a regional power -quickly nuclear. It's a geopolitical allie of Russia;
but calls it's own shots in the ME.

Iran is now the dominate in the Shi'a corridor. This is how it's going to be in the foreseeable future -
no matter what we do
Nukes don't really change anything all that much.

PS. Israel will now go after Iranian military targets in Syria

 

[TTQ64]

Will one of you Rumppers please tell me what good it does to pull out of the Iran deal?

President Obama is Black.

End of discussion.

 

[Phantasmal]

Who's one of Iran’s most important allies? Russia. And, Trump just flipped Russia off. LOL Yup. The very same Trump who the left believes "helped" Trump win the election. Trump somehow doesn't act act like he owes him.

It’s because he doesn’t understand what he is doing, don’t believe me watch the DACA discussion, it’s absolutely frightening just how little Trump understands about any issue.