What Republicans really want is a nanny state

Timshel

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...d2d8c2-4f7f-11e6-a422-83ab49ed5e6a_story.html

After watching the Republican National Committee’s convention this week, I think I’ve figured out what’s going on.


The problem is that Americans — and conservatives in particular — claim to want small, stingily funded government. But they’re making bigger (and more expensive, and less legally achievable) demands about what government should be responsible for.


This cognitive dissonance inevitably leads to disillusionment.


In other words: Deep down, Republicans want a nanny state, but they just can’t bring themselves to admit it.


What kind of nanny state do these alleged fans of limited government desire? The kind that fulfills their wildest fantasies, yes, but more importantly that cocoons their constituents from offense, discomfort and perhaps even financial distress.


As illustrated by the 2016 GOP platform, they want government to protect heterosexual couples from the indignity of having their marriages seen as equal, in the eyes of the law, to marriages between same-sex partners.


They likewise want policymakers to bar transgender Americans from using the public bathroom of their choice, lest those in neighboring bathroom stalls feel vaguely threatened.


They want government to protect religious freedom, yet they also want government to expel holders of select religious beliefs — a policy that couldn’t possibly pass constitutional muster even if you could figure out a way to implement it. (People can lie about their religious beliefs, after all.)


They also want their small, spartan government to round up and deport 11 million undocumented immigrants, quickly and on the cheap, but “in a very humane way, a very nice way.”


They want government to keep consumer prices low, but also to curb imports of competing products that help keep those consumer prices low. Avocados, for example. Or electronics.


They apparently want government to protect workers from the threat of technological innovation. At least that’s one way to interpret all the stumping for coal, an industry whose main challenge comes from competition from natural gas, which technology has made much cheaper to extract. Or the pandering to U.S. manufacturing, whose output is up but workforce size is not. Again, thanks to technology.


They want government to mandate funerals for miscarriages. They want it to micromanage the width of hallways in reproductive health clinics and the medical center affiliations of abortion providers. They want policymakers to protect their constituents from the temptations of pornography and medical marijuana.


They want government to lock up or even execute conservatives’ perceived political enemies.


They (like the left) even want government to break up the banks.


And so on.


These are not the positions of a party that truly, madly, deeply desires limited government.
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...d2d8c2-4f7f-11e6-a422-83ab49ed5e6a_story.html

After watching the Republican National Committee’s convention this week, I think I’ve figured out what’s going on.


The problem is that Americans — and conservatives in particular — claim to want small, stingily funded government. But they’re making bigger (and more expensive, and less legally achievable) demands about what government should be responsible for.


This cognitive dissonance inevitably leads to disillusionment.


In other words: Deep down, Republicans want a nanny state, but they just can’t bring themselves to admit it.


What kind of nanny state do these alleged fans of limited government desire? The kind that fulfills their wildest fantasies, yes, but more importantly that cocoons their constituents from offense, discomfort and perhaps even financial distress.


As illustrated by the 2016 GOP platform, they want government to protect heterosexual couples from the indignity of having their marriages seen as equal, in the eyes of the law, to marriages between same-sex partners.


They likewise want policymakers to bar transgender Americans from using the public bathroom of their choice, lest those in neighboring bathroom stalls feel vaguely threatened.


They want government to protect religious freedom, yet they also want government to expel holders of select religious beliefs — a policy that couldn’t possibly pass constitutional muster even if you could figure out a way to implement it. (People can lie about their religious beliefs, after all.)


They also want their small, spartan government to round up and deport 11 million undocumented immigrants, quickly and on the cheap, but “in a very humane way, a very nice way.”


They want government to keep consumer prices low, but also to curb imports of competing products that help keep those consumer prices low. Avocados, for example. Or electronics.


They apparently want government to protect workers from the threat of technological innovation. At least that’s one way to interpret all the stumping for coal, an industry whose main challenge comes from competition from natural gas, which technology has made much cheaper to extract. Or the pandering to U.S. manufacturing, whose output is up but workforce size is not. Again, thanks to technology.


They want government to mandate funerals for miscarriages. They want it to micromanage the width of hallways in reproductive health clinics and the medical center affiliations of abortion providers. They want policymakers to protect their constituents from the temptations of pornography and medical marijuana.


They want government to lock up or even execute conservatives’ perceived political enemies.


They (like the left) even want government to break up the banks.


And so on.


These are not the positions of a party that truly, madly, deeply desires limited government.

Go ahead and vote for Gary Johnson. While you say Hillary is an ass, and I agree, you'll be getting one as a result.
 
Go ahead and vote for Gary Johnson. While you say Hillary is an ass, and I agree, you'll be getting one as a result.

Hillary does not seek to grow the state nearly as much as Trump.

I will vote for Johnson and if it's close, I will have to consider voting for Hillary. I hope she whips his ass.
 
Hillary does not seek to grow the state nearly as much as Trump.

I will vote for Johnson and if it's close, I will have to consider voting for Hillary. I hope she whips his ass.

So you admit you'll vote for an ass? Is that you Bernie saying someone is unfit then deciding you'll support them and be a good little puppet?
 
Well you usually get "an ass" no matter who you vote for & we have two of the least liked ones running in the two corporate parties.......

I think Jill has the nicest ass, so I am voting for her....
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"nanny state" is expansive gov't functions into traditionally private enterprise -or excessive regulations to
protect us from ourselves.

I don't see that case made by the OP
 
Almost everything you mentioned was caused by neo-comm, leftist, big government policies. Unless you want the unelected mob to untangle the mess, you better hope there is enough government to fix it and pave the way for smaller government.
And aren't you the least bit suspicious that all this piddly "social issue" crap is designed by the left to create a "need" for bigger govt., consequently creating a "need" to keep the left in power and a "need" to raise more revenue to feed the beast?
 
limiting regs (Gender ID baths) is hardly gov't expansion. Immigration border control is what sovereign states do.
 
Nothing new, the newt called it years ago.. The newt didn't realize back then that 3rd party would be his own grand OLD party.....

“If the Republicans can’t break out of being the right wing party of big government, then I think you would see a third party movement in 2012,” Gingrich said Tuesday. The speech, to a group of students at the College of the Ozarks in Missouri, was recorded by Springfield TV station KY3.

But Gingrich, bemoaning President Barack Obama’s “monstrosity of a budget,” acknowledged that Republicans are partially to blame for the escalation in federal spending.

"Remember, everything Obama’s doing, Bush started last year,” he said. “If you’re going to talk about big spending, the mistakes of the Bush administration last year are fully as bad as the mistakes of Obama’s first two, three months.”
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So you admit you'll vote for an ass? Is that you Bernie saying someone is unfit then deciding you'll support them and be a good little puppet?

Trump only mentioned freedom once during his entire speech and that was in talking about freedom from foreign trade. He sounds quite a bit like Bernie. But then he is much worse.

He called for a federal police state based on cherry picked or just inaccurate statistics.

He is an idiot and he has no regard for the constitution (article 12).

Hillary is quite a bit more politically acceptable and qualified.
 
Trump only mentioned freedom once during his entire speech and that was in talking about freedom from foreign trade. He sounds quite a bit like Bernie. But then he is much worse.

He called for a federal police state based on cherry picked or just inaccurate statistics.

He is an idiot and he has no regard for the constitution (article 12).

Hillary is quite a bit more politically acceptable and qualified.

I can't really disagree with your OP or this post. Trump is a much bigger douchebag than Bernmaster Sandy. I could probably sit-down and have a beer with Bernie.
 
Trump only mentioned freedom once during his entire speech and that was in talking about freedom from foreign trade. He sounds quite a bit like Bernie. But then he is much worse.

He called for a federal police state based on cherry picked or just inaccurate statistics.

He is an idiot and he has no regard for the constitution (article 12).

Hillary is quite a bit more politically acceptable and qualified.

Wow. You call out others for not being "real" Libertarians? I mean Trump would be a disaster for all of us but the fact that you write you would support Hillary you lose all high ground sir for calling others out. To each his own and all respect to you but you are a liberal first and then libertarian when it doesn't conflict.
 
Democrats charging Republicans with "Nannyism".....Really? LMAO From the party that promotes state dependence ,and WELFARE as a viable means to combat poverty...the party that enjoy's the hell out of spending OP money (other peoples)....the party that promotes living off the sweat of your neighbor's brow, the party that would implode without big brother telling it where to defecate.

As I said....

Desperation Time. The gravy train is about to lose a biscuit wheel and the panic is beginning. :clink:
 
Wow. You call out others for not being "real" Libertarians? I mean Trump would be a disaster for all of us but the fact that you write you would support Hillary you lose all high ground sir for calling others out. To each his own and all respect to you but you are a liberal first and then libertarian when it doesn't conflict.

Nonsense, voting against an authoritarian dumbass like Trump does not conflict with Libertarianism at all.

If you are voting Trump, then it's because you are a racist or really stupid.
 
Democrats charging Republicans with "Nannyism".....Really? LMAO From the party that promotes state dependence ,and WELFARE as a viable means to combat poverty...the party that enjoy's the hell out of spending OP money (other peoples)....the party that promotes living off the sweat of your neighbor's brow, the party that would implode without big brother telling it where to defecate.

As I said....

Desperation Time. The gravy train is about to lose a biscuit wheel and the panic is beginning. :clink:

Of course, the GOP wants a nanny state. Look at the responses from this guy and IHA. There is no substance, no attempt to deny that Trump supports these bad policies, it's just immature finger pointing in an attempt to divert attention. My libertarianism or the unsupported assertion that the author is a Democrat are not relevant political issues, but because these people can't discuss the actual issues with any sort of intelligence, they quickly revert to these substanceless responses.

Trump is no anomaly. He is what the GOP has become.
 
Nonsense, voting against an authoritarian dumbass like Trump does not conflict with Libertarianism at all.

If you are voting Trump, then it's because you are a racist or really stupid.
I'm voting for Gary Johnson actually. What's the excuse for a Libertarian voting for Hillary?
 
I'm voting for Gary Johnson actually. What's the excuse for a Libertarian voting for Hillary?

So am I. I only said that if it is close, in my state, I will have to consider voting for Hillary. If I understand you correctly, you would have voted for Mitt if it had been close in Cali. Maybe, you'd vote for Trump if it were close or at least consider it?

But how we would vote is not the issue and I am a little tired of every thread I contribute to devolving into a discussion of my politics (who honestly gives a damn). The issue is Trump and his call for a nanny state.

There is a real danger that he is going to pull Hillary to the left on trade. Unfortunately, the majority of Republicans are too partisan to call him out on it. I have heard a lot of Trump apologist argue that he won't be able to advance any of his worst views due to congressional pushback. But there is, unfortunately, a large number of voters and people in power that don't understand trade. As President he would have considerable power over the issue and we don't need a refresher on Smoot-Hawley.
 
So am I. I only said that if it is close, in my state, I will have to consider voting for Hillary. If I understand you correctly, you would have voted for Mitt if it had been close in Cali. Maybe, you'd vote for Trump if it were close or at least consider it?

But how we would vote is not the issue and I am a little tired of every thread I contribute to devolving into a discussion of my politics (who honestly gives a damn). The issue is Trump and his call for a nanny state.

There is a real danger that he is going to pull Hillary to the left on trade. Unfortunately, the majority of Republicans are too partisan to call him out on it. I have heard a lot of Trump apologist argue that he won't be able to advance any of his worst views due to congressional pushback. But there is, unfortunately, a large number of voters and people in power that don't understand trade. As President he would have considerable power over the issue and we don't need a refresher on Smoot-Hawley.

I'm a Republican though so me voting for Romney would not have been surprising. I've made it plenty clear on this board I do not support Trump, do not like Trump and will not vote for Trump. Trump's position on trade is god awful. It's not Trump that pulled Hillary left on trade though it was Bernie.

I do not understand the Libertarian argument for Hillary. Hawkish foreign policy on top of "free college", more "free gov't healthcare" and Keynesian stimulus on steroids. What is the Libertarian appeal there?

This is the one year there might be enough disaffected voters to allow Johnson to get that 5% number.
 
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