What Phil Robertson DID do

[Damocles]

damo he said they were happy and never sang sad songs or complained about how they were treated

There. Just as in my hypothetical. None of that means that he thinks there never was racism and the KKK didn't exist. He said the people he worked with were treated the same as he was and that he never experienced them "singing the blues".

 

[Big Money]

right here

He said he hoed cotton with Black people.

So?

 

[Big Money]

damo he said they were happy and never sang sad songs or complained about how they were treated

Can you prove they were unhappy and sang sad songs and complained about the way they were treated?

 

[Big Money]

he claims to have known real people who were black and liked jim crow days better than now.

Is that what he said?

 

[evince]

what do you think the black people who lived it would say?

 

[evince]

“I never, with my eyes, saw the mistreatment of any black person. Not once. Where we lived was all farmers. The blacks worked for the farmers. I hoed cotton with them. I’m with the blacks, because we’re white trash. We’re going across the field…. They’re singing and happy. I never heard one of them, one black person, say, ‘I tell you what: These doggone white people’—not a word!… Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues.”


http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2013/...cks-offensive/



so is he claiming black people are better off now ?

 

[evince]

are things JUST the same for black people now as then?

they are as equally happy now?

less happy


more happy?


what was he saying?

 

[Big Money]

what do you think the black people who lived it would say?

You want to speculate about what you think someone else would have said and call it a fact?

 

[Big Money]

so is he claiming black people are better off now ?

Not in that quote.

Do you have another that says he is?

 

[evince]

well actually its not speculation to listen to black people.

Have you listened to what black people think of his remarks?

some of them lived at the time hes talking about

 

[Damocles]

what do you think the black people who lived it would say?

Probably that they didn't discuss it with him. He spoke of personal experiences, and a belief that people would be better off without government help. If I say I never saw anybody work a sail boat does that mean I think they don't exist? What if I say I never saw anybody treat their dog badly does that mean I don't believe that animal cruelty is real?

 

[evince]

Probably that they didn't discuss it with him. He spoke of personal experiences, and a belief that people would be better off without government help. If I say I never saw anybody work a sail boat does that mean I think they don't exist? What if I say I never saw anybody treat their dog badly does that mean I don't believe that animal cruelty is real?

he is wrong


how does lying about the people he knew at the time make him correct?

 

[evince]

he said EVERY black person he knew was happy and signing happy songs while they worked.


do you believe him?

 

[Big Money]

well actually its not speculation to listen to black people. Have you listened to what black people think of his remarks? some of them lived at the time hes talking about

And?

 

[evince]

do you know what they said about it?

 

[Big Money]

he is wrong

Go get the proof.

how does lying about the people he knew at the time make him correct?

It doesn't...if he lied, and you haven't proven that he did, have you?

 

[Big Money]

do you know what they said about it?

Do you?

 

[evince]

I listened to a lot of people on TV discuss it.

most of the black people found it pretty insulting

 

[Big Money]

do you believe him?

Is there a reason I shouldn't?

 

[Big Money]

I listened to a lot of people on TV discuss it. most of the black people found it pretty insulting

Hearsay.

He never claimed that nobody found his remarks insulting, did he?

You're clutching at straws.