What if Obamacare is voted down by the Supreme Court?

Rana said:
They mandate I buy car insurance if I wnt to drive, so why not health insurance if I want to receive healthcare?
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I know there is a difference between States and the Feds, but I don't understand why states have the right and the Feds don't.
 
just wait till 5 years down the road and there is a government study on how X food is good for you. Maybe wheat bread over white.. And then they create a mandate that you have to buy X amount of wheat bread a year to nourish yourself.

Everyone buys food, it's commerce, it can be regulated, and it's "beneficial" to everyone. It follows the same exact logic.

oh yeah, and if you don't, "FUCK YOU, PAY A FINE NOW PROLE"

This issue is making me become Grind circa 2005.
 
Carlos Spicy Weiner said:
That was partly sarcasm, as we were skipping over obvious monstrosities such as Plessey and Roe. As for Citizens United, McCain-Feingold was a notoriously retarded law to begin with, so I don't have a lot a sympathy for people who are upset with seeing it struck down...
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Plessey was bad. Roe I agree with. It's a womans private business.
 
Damocles said:
That doesn't manage cost, it simply tucks it under a rug and lets you pretend that the rich are being fleeced to pay for you.
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Really? So why has it worked for all the other developed industrialized nations? How comes most nations who have implemented a universal mandate pay around half of GDP what the US does for Health Care. Please explain away that glaring contradiction?
 
Cynic said:
contrary to mouthbreather opinion, the supreme courts job isn't to make feel good laws that unite the nation in a hand holding ceremony. They are there to uphold the constitution.

If you grant the government the power to explicitly tell you what to buy, the government could mandate you buy a certain car, or certain foods. It's entirely fucking buillshit.
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Okay, I found something that explains it for me!

http://reasonablist.wordpress.com/
 
Cynic said:
just wait till 5 years down the road and there is a government study on how X food is good for you. Maybe wheat bread over white.. And then they create a mandate that you have to buy X amount of wheat bread a year to nourish yourself.

Everyone buys food, it's commerce, it can be regulated, and it's "beneficial" to everyone. It follows the same exact logic.

oh yeah, and if you don't, "FUCK YOU, PAY A FINE NOW PROLE"

This issue is making me become Grind circa 2005.
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Oh, this is exaggeration, yes it could happen, but what is the likelihood. Right now they control drugs and food to a certain extent, anyway.
 
Rana said:
Oh, this is exaggeration, yes it could happen, but what is the likelihood. Right now they control drugs and food to a certain extent, anyway.
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I could easily see it happening. I am not even joking. A mandate to buy healthier food? Lower health costs, lower obesity levels? Totally possible.
 
Rana said:
Oh, this is exaggeration, yes it could happen, but what is the likelihood. Right now they control drugs and food to a certain extent, anyway.
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And don't forget.....if you don't buy the bread, you are still affecting commerce and will pay a tax....or is it a penalty....for not conforming......

Amazing, that pinheads can't see the simple logic of it.
 
it's almost funny watching the complete intellectual dishonesty that Derp used to dismiss the other markets comparison, as if it really isn't the same. it doesn't surprise me though, they are easily led astray by their political masters in much the same way.
 
first the moneygrabber thieves came for the robber barrons
and I did not speak out because I was not a robber barron

Then they came to massively increase social spending
and I did not speak out, because I love free money

Then they came for my healthcare payment
and I did not speak out, because I like being forced to buy stuff

Then they came for me
And no one spoke out, because everyone else was a prole
 
cawacko said:
From the MSNBC article, "“I think it’s very doubtful that court is going to find the health care law constitutional,” NBC’s Pete Williams reported after watching the two hours of oral argument before the high court. “I don’t see five votes to find the law constitutional.”


http://nbcpolitics.msnbc.msn.com/_n...over-constitutionality-of-health-care-mandate


What would happen next? I've read elsewhere that if the mandate is turned down and the rest of the law stays in effect then the insurance companies will not survive and we would rapidly turn to single payer which is constitutional. Is that possible?
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Very possible. The single payer system is the goal. The problem is Obama has to go step by step to get there. The lies perpetrated by the Repubs/Conservatives prevented a direct route.
 
Cynic said:
first the moneygrabber thieves came for the robber barrons
and I did not speak out because I was not a robber barron

Then they came to massively increase social spending
and I did not speak out, because I love free money

Then they came for my healthcare payment
and I did not speak out, because I like being forced to buy stuff

Then they came for me
And no one spoke out, because everyone else was a prole
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Spare me the hyperbole Grind. Has that happened in those great bastions of socialism Switzerland, Japan, Taiwan and South Korea? They have a universal mandate. Guess what? They pay a hell of a lot less as a percentage of GDP than we do and they get superior outcomes. More healthy people at a lower net cost. This is a win/win.
 
Derp Derp said:
Spare me the hyperbole Grind. Has that happened in those great bastions of socialism Switzerland, Japan, Taiwan and South Korea? They have a universal mandate. Guess what? They pay a hell of a lot less as a percentage of GDP than we do and they get superior outcomes. More healthy people at a lower net cost. This is a win/win.
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they also don't have a constitution that restricts the federal government like ours is supposed to.
 
apple0154 said:
Very possible. The single payer system is the goal. The problem is Obama has to go step by step to get there. The lies perpetrated by the Repubs/Conservatives prevented a direct route.
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The lies perpetrated by the Repubs/Conservatives prevented a direct route.??????????????????????????

How come those lies didn't stop the Obamacare bullshit that was passed........

They work to stop one but not the other ????......

and the moon in swiss............. or is it chedder.........I forget...
 
Derp Derp said:
Really? So why has it worked for all the other developed industrialized nations? How comes most nations who have implemented a universal mandate pay around half of GDP what the US does for Health Care. Please explain away that glaring contradiction?
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There's only two reasons anyone would be against a universal health care system. Either they have a financial interest in the rip-off of the sick and dying or they are ignorant of facts.

Oops, I forgot the third one. The attitude of to hell with everyone else.
 
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