What has happened in America?

[cawacko]

This is probably not the argument you want to use against Harris. trump is the most vile, foul-mouthed unhinged person ever to run for president.
Apparently he doesn't want liberals like me to support him because his only comments directed to and about liberals are contemptuous.

I'm not calling you out here because I know you're not a trump voter. It's just that if anyone is scorching the earth this time around, it's trump and magas. I don't understand why good republicans never stood up to him, and let him get so far that nothing he says or does matters to them.

I am responding specifically to Jarod saying Hillary was right, they are all deplorables (nothing to do with Harris). The example I will give from the Republican side is black voters. Look at some of the rhetoric used towards them and then people on the right wonder why they get so few black votes.

Some people will just never vote for Democrats and some who will never vote for Republicans. But there are people in between and the old adage you get more flies with honey rather than vinegar can apply.

To people like us it's hard to believe anyone can be undecided (one way or the other) but there are those for whom politics isn't their life and they can base their vote on any number of things, and if they are torn insulting them probably isn't the best way to win them over - thus circling back to the deplorable comment.

 

[cawacko]

Of course they could. We don't all march in lockstep.

I wouldn't see it as marching in lockstep per se rather those qualities transcend how people vote.

 

[Diogenes]

I wouldn't see it as marching in lockstep per se rather those qualities transcend how people vote.

Voting against Trump doesn't necessarily mean approval of Democrats, though.

 

[Jarod]

No one demanded anything. I turned off the shit show and have regained my Sundays forever! One man's courage saved half of my free time for me. #Kapernick

Trump, as President of the United States demanded it, CENSORSHIP!

 

[Daylight63]

I'm not your friend bitch

Well that makes me sad. Truly sad.

 

[zymurgy]

when Hope and Joy has turned into fear mongering you know your internal polls are dog shit

It's a special version of Godwin's law

 

[Damocles]

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Correction: Voting is like Driving toward a cliff at top speed. Same options though...

 

[Daylight63]

No one demanded anything. I turned off the shit show and have regained my Sundays forever! One man's courage saved half of my free time for me. #Kapernick

Sounds like you might have had a relatively tenuous interest in football if that was enough to completely disconnect you from it "forever"

 

[Daylight63]

Vance might be a threat someday, after Kamala's second term, maybe.

Nah. Vance has shown himself to be too awkward for the task. Americans still invest a lot in the idea of "I'd like to sit and have a beer with that guy". Also his views appear to be pretty toxic and there's no way he would be able to gather voters on the opposing side to ensure a GOP victory.

The GOP will forget him forever once this is all over. Hope he has a few more books in him because he's gonna need a source of income.

 

[Damocles]

I've had trouble myself with those fucking plackers!

And all those people who wear plack face! Jerks.

 

[Diogenes]

Nah. Vance has shown himself to be too awkward for the task. Americans still invest a lot in the idea of "I'd like to sit and have a beer with that guy". Also his views appear to be pretty toxic and there's no way he would be able to gather voters on the opposing side to ensure a GOP victory.

The GOP will forget him forever once this is all over. Hope he has a few more books in him because he's gonna need a source of income.

We'll see.

 

[zymurgy]

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you misspelled anointing

 

[NiftyNiblick]

Americans still invest a lot in the idea of "I'd like to sit and have a beer with that guy".

There are few things in America that I hate more than that kind of populist drivel.

If somebody has either the time or inclination to have a beer with any of us,
her/she has no fucking business even dreaming of being POTUS.

If POTUS isn't prohibitively elite, who the hell should be?
POTUS has to have the skill to assemble and then preside over a cabinet of genetically superior geniuses
who are Nobel level experts in their assigned fields.
America has to have a SUPERCABINET, not a gaggle of political hacks,
but we don't have any consensus as to how that would look.

No Joe Sixpack president is up to that task.
That requires a person of superior intellect, grace, and morality like FDR, Obama, and hopefully Kamala Harris.
And that that executive branch has to work with a legislature that respects its level of accomplishment.

I don't know what's going to happen in what's just a matter of days, now,
but whatever it is, it won't be the final disposition of America.

We are too ideologically diverse and incompatible a group to remain in a republic as it presently exists.
People who literally hate one another don't prosper together as a united republic.

If this forum is an any way, shape, or form a representative sample---a microcosm of this nation,
the visceral hatred between us is palpable.

 

[Daylight63]

There are few things in America that I hate more than that kind of populist drivel.

Agree 100% I've always thought this was the worst aspect of our collective mentality.

If somebody has either the time or inclination to have a beer with any of us,
her/she has no fucking business even dreaming of being POTUS.

I think it speaks to America's imaginary ideal of "we are all equals". As such we mentally demand that anyone we invest with this much power must also be someone we feel kinship with.

No Joe Sixpack president is up to that task.
That requires a person of superior intellect, grace, and morality like FDR, Obama, and hopefully Kamala Harris.

Those are things we certainly want in the candidate. But most of the time we don't get it. In many ways the FDR example is one of him being open to Eleanor's morality and grace which pushed him to be a better person more caring of those with less during a time when that was critical to our nation's survival.

We are too ideologically diverse and incompatible a group to remain in a republic as it presently exists.
People who literally hate one another don't prosper together as a united republic.

I'm truly worried that we are about to cross the Rubicon politicly and we may never be able to uncross it.

If this forum is an any way, shape, or form a representative sample---a microcosm of this nation,
the visceral hatred between us is palpable.

Again, agree 100%. (this forum seems to serve the purpose of letting people anonymously beat the hell out of each other...maybe it's a release valve for many of us, maybe it's an indicator of our brokenness.)

 

[cawacko]

There are few things in America that I hate more than that kind of populist drivel.

If somebody has either the time or inclination to have a beer with any of us,
her/she has no fucking business even dreaming of being POTUS.

If POTUS isn't prohibitively elite, who the hell should be?
POTUS has to have the skill to assemble and then preside over a cabinet of genetically superior geniuses
who are Nobel level experts in their assigned fields.
America has to have a SUPERCABINET, not a gaggle of political hacks,
but we don't have any consensus as to how that would look.

No Joe Sixpack president is up to that task.
That requires a person of superior intellect, grace, and morality like FDR, Obama, and hopefully Kamala Harris.
And that that executive branch has to work with a legislature that respects its level of accomplishment.

I don't know what's going to happen in what's just a matter of days, now,
but whatever it is, it won't be the final disposition of America.

We are too ideologically diverse and incompatible a group to remain in a republic as it presently exists.
People who literally hate one another don't prosper together as a united republic.

If this forum is an any way, shape, or form a representative sample---a microcosm of this nation,
the visceral hatred between us is palpable.

Do you remember that thread on here recently and it was about one candidate probably never changed a tire (or something along those lines) and one candidate visited a country fair (implied in a good way). It was all about which candidate(s) were more 'relatable' as a result.

Your position is basically F that, I want someone who went to elite boarding school, went to an Ivy (or Ivy equivalent) and hangs in a rarefied air with other intellectuals.

The only thing with your belief is good/great leaders can come from all types of backgrounds. And lets be clear, the Presidency is largely about leadership (not simply checking boxes on where they stand on each issue). One doesn't have to be the smartest person in the room to be a great leader.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

Do you remember that thread on here recently and it was about one candidate probably never changed a tire (or something along those lines) and one candidate visited a country fair (implied in a good way). It was all about which candidate(s) were more 'relatable' as a result.

Your position is basically F that, I want someone who went to elite boarding school, went to an Ivy (or Ivy equivalent) and hangs in a rarefied air with other intellectuals.

The only thing with your belief is good/great leaders can come from all types of backgrounds. And lets be clear, the Presidency is largely about leadership (not simply checking boxes on where they stand on each issue). One doesn't have to be the smartest person in the room to be a great leader.

I don't care about social status.

I care about hard IQ, the strong indication of competence for achievement, leadership ability, and social values.

I want to vote issues and ideology because the character consideration should be a moot point.
Non-exceptional people can't get near the Oval Office if we tighten things up
to eliminate mutants being involved in our elections.

The fact that a Trump can be a viable candidate, never mind an actual office holder,
indicates that our cumulative population is simply lacking in the quality required to assemble a good government.

The current fifty states will never be the shining city on the hill.
Put together the ones that can actually be that and incorporate them into a new, functional America.

We'll never escape our social regressiveness by including states full of deplorable mutants.
We'll never be a modern representative democracy without excising the American Taliban states.
Like it or not, that's what too much of our present, inclusive population really wants.

If still growing Texas miraculously goes blue, we have a chance to pull ourselves up.
Otherwise, partition is the only answer.

 

[cawacko]

I don't care about social status.

I care about hard IQ, the strong indication of competence for achievement, leadership ability, and social values.

I want to vote issues and ideology because the character consideration should be a moot point.
Non-exceptional people can't get near the Oval Office if we tighten things up
to eliminate mutants being involved in our elections.

The fact that a Trump can be a viable candidate, never mind an actual office holder,
indicates that our cumulative population is simply lacking in the quality required to assemble a good government.

The current fifty states will never be the shining city on the hill.
Put together the ones that can actually be that and incorporate them into a new, functional America.

We'll never escape our social regressiveness by including states full of deplorable mutants.
We'll never be a modern representative democracy without excising the American Taliban states.
Like it or not, that's what too much of our present, inclusive population really wants.

If still growing Texas miraculously goes blue, we have a chance to pull ourselves up.
Otherwise, partition is the only answer.

Maybe this is cynical maybe it's not but you almost have to ask why, outside of the obvious desire for power, a well educated and informed person would want to run for office?

But let me ask this, you wrote: I want to vote issues and ideology because the character consideration should be a moot point.

Think about party primaries. You get ten people on stage and they may agree 90 to 95% on the issues and ideology. So how do you differentiate yourself? Character, leadership, past performance etc. I don't know how you avoid that being a part of any political race - local or national

 

[cawacko]

Voting for a fascist because you think someone called you a deplorable is illogical.

I've had a lot going on so I've actually not paid much attention to this race but I took a peak today and saw an article talking about Democrats ratcheting up the fascist rhetoric, so it makes sense what you're doing here.

What surprised me was seeing the very liberal Guardian actually call out Democrats for spending so much time calling Trump things like fascist instead of trying to tell working class voters why they should support them.

 

[cawacko]

Why is America so stupid?

Did we really do such a poor job on educating Americans that almost 46% will chose trump over Harris?

I am very sad for our nation and culture. I knew our culture was very sick, but its so much worse than I thought. Hilary was correct about the deplorables.

Remember too Jarod, we've already elected President twice in the 21 Century a fascist, Hitler, deplorable in George W. Bush. So this isn't anything new.

But what so intrigues me is you are on here on almost a daily basis starting a dozen threads or so each day and almost zero are about why you support Harris, what she stands for, why people should vote for her etc. Everything is about Trump. Of course in politics we are always going to talk about the opposition but at some point you have to talk about yourself (your candidate). With the obvious caveat that nothing we say here matters but it speaks to the Democratic strategy and why you are making the comments you are in the OP.

Harris may very well win but the fact that it's this close speaks to not being able to sell Harris.

 

[Teflon Don]

I am not sure it is trending away from her, the numbers are affected by some partisan polls and noise, we will see, but the national polling average is moving back in her favor the last couple of days, and the state polls general lag the national polls.
I think she is the underdog, but who knows.

You don’t believe any of what you just posted