What happens if the young and healthy don't sign up for Obamacare?

[Airstrip One]

NOPE .. it was supposed to be a boon for the health insurance industry.

A gift from a corporatist president .. and all the keys to a successful implementation are in the hands of .. you guessed it .. republicans.

The ACA has to be one of the most mind-boggling and politically-ignorant programs ever devised.

If I didn't know better, I would think Obama is a double-agent working for the Republican Party.

He's already given them the House .. now he's about to hand them the Senate.

Regardless of how bad the ACA is, and who wrote it, will you at least accept these two points?

1) Obama could NOT possibly have gotten SP passed in 2009. Probably not even in 2013.
2) Obama wants SP, and viewed any overhaul bill as a step toward it. You can even accept as a caveat that he engineered a bill that would create a nightmare rather than an improvement upon that road to SP.

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

This is total bullshit. I mean, it's not like today's young and healthy people might grow older and less healthy over time such that they might reap the benefits of the system in the the future. That'd be one thing that maybe I could understand. But this . . . this is intolerable.

:tantrum:

How dare they!!! I mean how could a generation look out for itself like that, fucking over other generations in the process? Oh wait, that is what you propose we continue doing... you hypocrite

 

[Althea]

I know I wouldn't buy into it at all. Why should my generation buy into it? We already pay the most for college to have the highest unemployment and lowest wages? Fuck you for FORCING us to pay more.

As long as you use your parents' credit card when you go the the emergency room, your plan is fine. Otherwise, you should be turned away if you have no insurance.

 

[Bonestorm]

:tantrum:

How dare they!!! I mean how could a generation look out for itself like that, fucking over other generations in the process? Oh wait, that is what you propose we continue doing... you hypocrite

Hey look, everyone. SF's on tilt. Again.

LOLers.

 

[Althea]

Affordable Care Act's challenge: getting young adults enrolled

Starting next year, Californians will be required to have insurance. Some young people plan to forgo coverage. But the plan needs them to balance out older people.

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http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-young-adult-insure-20130603,0,3134348.story

If the young and healthy don't sign up .. the entire program implodes

Young? You mean over 26?

 

[Althea]

Too bad the intelligence wasn't there to know that SP should have been passed, or at the very least tried, before they came up with Mr.47%Care .. that will hand republicans the Senate.

Never had a chance. Income tax hikes to app. 50% would never fly in this country.

 

[Althea]

young people on average are far and away more healthy than old people.

And far and away, they break bones more often

 

[Althea]

I agree with you .. but the young are also facing exploding college costs, high unemployment and underemployment .. and may be hit with a shortened work week because of Obamacare.

Why are we pressuring them to support the health of the nation?

It doesn't make sense.

So what do you think their out of pocket would be? MUCH less than it is now, when you factor in subsidies that will be available.

 

[BRUTALITOPS]

I agree with you .. but the young are also facing exploding college costs, high unemployment and underemployment .. and may be hit with a shortened work week because of Obamacare.

Why are we pressuring them to support the health of the nation?

It doesn't make sense.

it DOES make sense, there are taker succubuss's out there. That's what they do. They TAKE, and Take and take and take. Vampire baby boomers looking to feast on our life blood. The most selfish and worst generation in the history of this country, they will drain us dry to get a few more wrinkled self absorbed years.

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

This is total bullshit. I mean, it's not like today's young and healthy people might grow older and less healthy over time such that they might reap the benefits of the system in the the future. That'd be one thing that maybe I could understand. But this . . . this is intolerable.

Hey look, everyone. SF's on tilt. Again.

LOLers.

Irony

 

[Jarod]

What is known for sure is that premiums for the young and healthy will be substantially higher .. which of course if the very point of Obamacare.

What happens to the program if enough of them don't sign up for higher premiums and coverage they don't need?

Implementing Obamacare - The rate-shock danger
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[H]ealthy consumers are the key to the entire enterprise. They are the ones who are vulnerable to rate shock. If they think the premiums are too high, they will pay the small penalty and wait until they are sick to buy coverage. If that happens, premiums will climb higher, more healthy people will drop out, and Obamacare will cause health insurance markets to collapse. Obamacare supporters are in a near-panic that young, healthy people won’t sign up for coverage, and with good reason.

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The fact that Obamacare dramatically raises premiums on young people is a big deal, because the majority of uninsured people are young. It’s the fact that insurance is already so expensive that leads so many young people to opt out. They’re perfectly healthy; they don’t have a lot of money; but they’re being asked to shell out thousands of bucks for policies they won’t use. And Obamacare’s solution to this problem is…to force them to pay more?
http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2013/06/implementing-obamacare

What happens if the young don't sign up .. many of whom don't have health insurance because of costs .. now they're going to be hit with a higher rate for coverage they may not want or need?

What happens is even higher costs for everybody else .. and the program implodes.

I assume that your primary assumption is wrong, but if its correct.... that is exactly why we needed a public option. If you are correct, the only choice will be one.

 

[BRUTALITOPS]

Otherwise, you should be turned away if you have no insurance.

LMAO can anyone imagine liberals saying this 1.2 years ago? Hypocrite life draining takers.

 

[blackascoal]

Regardless of how bad the ACA is, and who wrote it, will you at least accept these two points?

1) Obama could NOT possibly have gotten SP passed in 2009. Probably not even in 2013.
2) Obama wants SP, and viewed any overhaul bill as a step toward it. You can even accept as a caveat that he engineered a bill that would create a nightmare rather than an improvement upon that road to SP.

Wrong on both counts.

Obama never tried to pass SP, the public option, or Medicare for All .. not once, because he never wanted them. He got the healthcare plan he wanted.

Russ Feingold: Obama got the health care bill he wanted
http://www.examiner.com/article/russ-feingold-obama-got-the-health-care-bill-he-wanted

Obama is a corporatist and he produced a corporatist bill.

Why would you expect a corporatist to produce a progessive bill?

 

[tekkychick]

I wish we could have gotten single payer. There was zero chance of that. Without the giveaways to the insurance companies and the pharmaceuticals, we wouldn't have gotten the ACA which, although it has flaws, is better than the system we had before.

But let's say we would have gotten single payer - Not that I'm thrilled with them, but it would have pretty much wiped out the health insurance companies (except for those offering boutique policies) and put a lot of people out of work.

ACA was a compromise. (you know, that thing repubs claim dems, including Pres Obama, never do). It is better than the old system. Rather than sitting in a corner crying about it, work to make it better.

While conservative states are balking, California is well on its way to implementing the insurance exchanges, and they are looking pretty good. Oh- those of you in conservative states - guess what? That means you'll be depending on federally-run exchanges, because your governors and legislators sat on their hands. Do you prefer that?

 

[Topspin]

And far and away, they break bones more often

Teens wreck cars like they are video games!

 

[blackascoal]

I assume that your primary assumption is wrong, but if its correct.... that is exactly why we needed a public option. If you are correct, the only choice will be one.

My assumptions are absolutely correct .. and SP was always the only real choice.

 

[Topspin]

it DOES make sense, there are taker succubuss's out there. That's what they do. They TAKE, and Take and take and take. Vampire baby boomers looking to feast on our life blood. The most selfish and worst generation in the history of this country, they will drain us dry to get a few more wrinkled self absorbed years.

You Xbox pussies can't drive to save your life!
You should pay twice what boomers do! Slacker

 

[blackascoal]

So what do you think their out of pocket would be? MUCH less than it is now, when you factor in subsidies that will be available.

Their out of pocket would indeed be lower with cheaper plans available.

 

[blackascoal]

I wish we could have gotten single payer. There was zero chance of that. Without the giveaways to the insurance companies and the pharmaceuticals, we wouldn't have gotten the ACA which, although it has flaws, is better than the system we had before.

But let's say we would have gotten single payer - Not that I'm thrilled with them, but it would have pretty much wiped out the health insurance companies (except for those offering boutique policies) and put a lot of people out of work.

ACA was a compromise. (you know, that thing repubs claim dems, including Pres Obama, never do). It is better than the old system. Rather than sitting in a corner crying about it, work to make it better.

While conservative states are balking, California is well on its way to implementing the insurance exchanges, and they are looking pretty good. Oh- those of you in conservative states - guess what? That means you'll be depending on federally-run exchanges, because your governors and legislators sat on their hands. Do you prefer that?

Medicare for All was indeed possible .. but Obama never tried, never wanted it. He did what he's done his entire term in office, hide behind republicans.

He is a corporatist and he produced a corporatist bill.

 

[blackascoal]

Never had a chance. Income tax hikes to app. 50% would never fly in this country.

Of course it would of had a big chance .. AND, democrats could have put republicans in a position to stand against expanded Medicare coverage .. a position they don't want to be in because seniors are their most loyal constituency .. AND, with a guaranteed better outcome than giving up the House in 2010, then giving up the Senate in 2014..