What happened to Al Queda in Iraq?

There are a number of groups in iraq.

sadr's mahdi army

sunni militia

criminals and thugs

al quada (mostly foriegners)

and the iraq's that just take money to attack US troops, and have no allegence to anyone.

The criminals, thugs and al quada are called ali babas by the iraqi's.

The first two are in the insurgent catagory but are spending more time fighting each other rather than the US forces.

Whether Bush mentions any or all of them in his statements is irrelavent, that doesn't mean they don't exist.

The war with saddam is over. This is an occupation and rebuilding. The troops are still on a war footing though and as we are at war with the islamists it is a major front in that war. Just as Afganistan is.

There are two military fronts iraq and afganistan, there are economy fronts and law enforcement fronts as well. All on a global scale. Not to mention the propaganda front. we are definately losing the media war which is shown by the posters right here who buy into the media hype all because they hate Bush. The media, also Bush haters, make false reports or fail to make reports about events and hype the negative of what's happening in iraq all to make the administration look bad.
 
Do you have an example of the false reports? And these events they're not reporting, how did you hear about them if they're not reported?
 
Beefy said:
Do you have an example of the false reports? And these events they're not reporting, how did you hear about them if they're not reported?
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AP reports about 6 men burned in mosk 4 mosks burned by shites. Turns out that only one mosk was slightly burned and the six burned alive didn't happen.

Rueters photo shop pics that were proved faked.

Phoney witnesses and informants used by AP.

Set up and croped photos during the Israeli hizbollah fighting. There's a long list.

Read blogs. There are hundreds out there that are doing real reporting of real events and they exposing a lot of the media reports.

Since your not a lib and won't get splotches or rashes for reading something not provided by the regular media you might try it.

In the bullpen
Flopping Aces
Tammy Bruce
Bill roggio
Anti-mullah
little green footballs
Michele Malkin

Just to name a few.
 
Jarod said:
Were they every really there?

Are they gone now?

Was it all just a lie to try to cover up the clear insurgency?

Bush never mentions them anymore....
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Of course they were there. There were videos and everything... But we pWned them and freed up the nation to start bombing each other. What a wonderful gift we bring... The freedom to bomb the crap out of some sect of your religion that you despise!
 
Beefy said:
Do you have an example of the false reports? And these events they're not reporting, how did you hear about them if they're not reported?
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Here's another example.


http://thunderrun.blogspot.com/


What's wrong with this article posted by the AP about 30 minutes ago, and found on the Washington Times web site?

Did you catch it? I sure did but let me quote the article for you just to make sure:

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) -- The former electricity minister - a dual U.S.-Iraqi citizen who was jailed for corruption - escaped police custody with the help of security agents he once hired to protect him, an anti-corruption official said Monday.

Elsewhere in Baghdad, a car bomb killed five people and wounded at least 19 in the southern Sunni area of Sadiya, near a vegetable market. Though no one immediately claimed responsibility, sectarian conflict between Sunnis and Shiites has fueled much of the recent violence in Baghdad.

Meanwhile, the U.S. military announced the deaths of two more American troops, raising to 59 the number of U.S. personnel killed in December. A Marine assigned to Regimental Combat Team 5 died Saturday, and a soldier with the U.S. Army's 1st Brigade, 1st Armored Division died Friday, it said.

At least 2,947 members of the U.S. military have died since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003, according to an Associated Press count.

Former Electricity Minister Ayham al-Samaraie broke out of a Baghdad detention facility Sunday with the help of a group of private security experts, said Faris Kareem, deputy head of Iraq's Public Integrity Commission, an anti-corruption panel. It was al-Samaraie's second escape since he was convicted in October. (Emphase mine)



Now it didn't take me long to form an opinion as to why, it’s simply because the AP is biased against Iraq and all news coming out of Iraq. For them their style sheet obviously states that any story out of Iraq must have the following items added to it regardless to the topic, and they are:

1. Recent bombing report
2. Current death count of American Troops
3. Finish the article with a recap of all other violent acts in the country.

Now you tell me, could that article have been written and not include those talking points and still have been an informative article on the current events of Iraq? You bet it could, but without those points added the AP could not drive public opinion that Iraq is falling deeper and deeper into Civil War.

Paragraphs 2 - 4 have no bearing on the topic being reported, namely the escape of Former Electricity Minister Ayham al-Samaraie, so why are they even in the article? Did the AP reporter sitting safely in the Green Zone put it them there or did an editor here in New York?

Come on AP, its a war-zone we know people are going to die and get hurt, but can you at least stop attempting to use your influence to condition the US and world populace into believing that every story out of Iraq is bad news? In several posts today on this blog alone there are good news stories that are available out of Iraq. Why should it be us, the bloggers, who are posting these stories and not you?

In a story out of Iraq when 12 of the 21 paragraphs have nothing to do with the topic, what are we to think? We are now forced to ask the question; whose side are you on? You surely aren't being impartial and you surely aren't being friendly to the US, so does that mean you are being friendly to the enemy?



Just one of many.
 
Gaffer said:
AP reports about 6 men burned in mosk 4 mosks burned by shites. Turns out that only one mosk was slightly burned and the six burned alive didn't happen.

Rueters photo shop pics that were proved faked.

Phoney witnesses and informants used by AP.

Set up and croped photos during the Israeli hizbollah fighting. There's a long list.

Read blogs. There are hundreds out there that are doing real reporting of real events and they exposing a lot of the media reports.

Since your not a lib and won't get splotches or rashes for reading something not provided by the regular media you might try it.

In the bullpen
Flopping Aces
Tammy Bruce
Bill roggio
Anti-mullah
little green footballs
Michele Malkin

Just to name a few.
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Wingnut blogs. No wonder you are so misinformed.
Do you value your credibility at all? Or, are you just into propaganda?
 
Gaffer said:
Here's another example.


http://thunderrun.blogspot.com/


What's wrong with this article posted by the AP about 30 minutes ago, and found on the Washington Times web site?

Did you catch it? I sure did but let me quote the article for you just to make sure:

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) -- The former electricity minister - a dual U.S.-Iraqi citizen who was jailed for corruption - escaped police custody with the help of security agents he once hired to protect him, an anti-corruption official said Monday.

Elsewhere in Baghdad, a car bomb killed five people and wounded at least 19 in the southern Sunni area of Sadiya, near a vegetable market. Though no one immediately claimed responsibility, sectarian conflict between Sunnis and Shiites has fueled much of the recent violence in Baghdad.

Meanwhile, the U.S. military announced the deaths of two more American troops, raising to 59 the number of U.S. personnel killed in December. A Marine assigned to Regimental Combat Team 5 died Saturday, and a soldier with the U.S. Army's 1st Brigade, 1st Armored Division died Friday, it said.

At least 2,947 members of the U.S. military have died since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003, according to an Associated Press count.

Former Electricity Minister Ayham al-Samaraie broke out of a Baghdad detention facility Sunday with the help of a group of private security experts, said Faris Kareem, deputy head of Iraq's Public Integrity Commission, an anti-corruption panel. It was al-Samaraie's second escape since he was convicted in October. (Emphase mine)



Now it didn't take me long to form an opinion as to why, it’s simply because the AP is biased against Iraq and all news coming out of Iraq. For them their style sheet obviously states that any story out of Iraq must have the following items added to it regardless to the topic, and they are:

1. Recent bombing report
2. Current death count of American Troops
3. Finish the article with a recap of all other violent acts in the country.

Now you tell me, could that article have been written and not include those talking points and still have been an informative article on the current events of Iraq? You bet it could, but without those points added the AP could not drive public opinion that Iraq is falling deeper and deeper into Civil War.

Paragraphs 2 - 4 have no bearing on the topic being reported, namely the escape of Former Electricity Minister Ayham al-Samaraie, so why are they even in the article? Did the AP reporter sitting safely in the Green Zone put it them there or did an editor here in New York?

Come on AP, its a war-zone we know people are going to die and get hurt, but can you at least stop attempting to use your influence to condition the US and world populace into believing that every story out of Iraq is bad news? In several posts today on this blog alone there are good news stories that are available out of Iraq. Why should it be us, the bloggers, who are posting these stories and not you?

In a story out of Iraq when 12 of the 21 paragraphs have nothing to do with the topic, what are we to think? We are now forced to ask the question; whose side are you on? You surely aren't being impartial and you surely aren't being friendly to the US, so does that mean you are being friendly to the enemy?



Just one of many.
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You didn't even answer beefys question. He asked what was being printed that was false.

The article you cite as "evidence" doesn't even claim anything in the AP artiicle if false. They just complain about the manner in which its reported, which they view as tresonous for not focusing on "the good news".


-Originally Posted by Beefy
Do you have an example of the false reports? And these events they're not reporting, how did you hear about them if they're not reported?

-Gaffer: Here's another example.


http://thunderrun.blogspot.com/[/i]
 
There is no such terrorist organisation as al Qaeda anymore.

There is just an idea, a methodology.

Zarqawi was never al qaeda. Prior to the Iraq debacle he led a training camp in Afghanistan completely seperate from bin laa laa, just as many other Arab Muslim extremists did. After 2001 he was expelled into Northern Iraq, where he set up operations.

He was, if anything, a rival to bin Laa Laa.
 
Of course they were there. There were videos and everything... But we pWned them and freed up the nation to start bombing each other.

I'd agree that one Islamic extremist group can look much like the others, but the hardline 'Arab Afghans' that are leading the fight in Iraq aren't necessarily linked to bin laa laa.

Bin laa laa was simply a facilitator, he provided support and financing to a wide range of Islamic extremist groups, though few formed a bayat with him.

Even his 2IC, Zawahiri, is actually Egyptian Islamic Jihad primarily.

We aren't fighting a group of individuals, we are fighting a message and a methodology.
 
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