1Co 13:12
For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
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For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
So if we use your logic NONE of the Ten Commandments should be followed because that would be works.
Actually, if you read what was written, moral law applies, but not for salvation. Your salvation, per your religion, comes from Grace and not by following specific rules, someone else paid that price.
I'd give dollars to donuts that you do not eat kosher, that is the same type of thing. You don't need to eat kosher to keep yourself clean in order to enter a sanctuary, and the Lord's Day is Sunday because that was the day he rose from the dead...
Here is some suggested reading for the confused Christian, use the NIV version, translated directly from the earliest texts, far easier to understand it doesn't have axioms and idioms from earlier forms of English either:
Ephesians 2:8–9 - We are saved by grace through faith, not by works — so no one can boast.
Romans 6:14 - “You are not under law but under grace.” (This one is pretty direct there).
Galatians 3:23–25 - Before Christ came we were guarded by the law; now that faith has come, we are no longer under the law as a guardian.
Colossians 2:16–17 - (use the NIV version, translated directly from the earliest texts, far easier to understand it doesn't have axioms and idioms from earlier forms of English either) - Therefore let no one judge you in food or drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or Sabbaths — these were shadows; the reality is Christ. (Explicit release from Sabbath and dietary laws).
Acts 15:10–11 (Peter at the Jerusalem Council) - “Why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples [Gentiles] which neither we nor our fathers were able to bear? We believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus we shall be saved…” (The early church officially decided Gentiles do not have to keep the law of Moses).
Romans 14:5–6 - One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind… (Christians are free regarding special days, including the Sabbath).
Romans 13:8–10 - Love fulfills the law… the commandments “you shall not commit adultery… murder… steal… covet” and whatever other commandment are summed up in “love your neighbour as yourself”. (We still keep the moral heart of the Ten Commandments — because we love, not to earn salvation).
Galatians 5:13–14 & 5:18 - You were called to freedom… only do not use freedom as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: “You shall love your neighbour as yourself.” … But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. (In this one you follow the law because of Love, not for your salvation, it is because you are led by the spirit).
Matthew 22:37–40 (or Mark 12:29–31) - Jesus Himself said the entire law hangs on the two love commands — showing that love, under the New Covenant, love is the driving force, not legal obligation.
1 John 5:3 - “For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.” (We obey — including the moral substance of the Ten — out of love and gratitude, not fear or to earn salvation)
And I also suggest you talk to your pastor rather than the local Buddhist to learn more. There is no shame in misunderstanding, but you have no right to burden others with your misunderstanding. Talk to your pastor about the New and Old Covenants and what it means to be Saved by Grace.
Read those ten short passages in order (most are only a few verses). They will show you:
- You are saved by grace, not works (Eph 2:8-9).
- Christians are not required to keep the Old Testament rules about Sabbath, food, festivals, etc. (Col 2:16-17; Acts 15).
- You still keep the moral commandments (don’t lie, steal, commit adultery, etc.) because you love God and neighbor — not to be saved, but because you already are (Rom 13:8-10; 1 John 5:3).”
Almost every Christian denomination (Protestant, Catholic, Orthodox) agrees with the message of these verses, even if they word some of the details differently.
Damo show me where I have ever said that keep the Moral Law because it justifies us. We are clearly justified by Christ's victory over sin. Obedience to God's Commandments is a sign of sanctification. You are trying to surgically extract a single Commandments from the Moral Law. The Sabbath is the only law in the 10 Commandment where God identifies himself as our Creator AND SPECIFICALLY SAY REMEMBER. But you say we should forget it. Paul tells use our faith establishes the Law. So we keep the Law because of our faith not to justify ourselves because only Christ has lived a sinless life so only He can justify us. Your problem is you don't understand the difference between the justification and sancitifation. You still have not answered why Paul continued to observe the 7th day Sabbath as his custom was over 70 times in the NT.
Rom 3:28
Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
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Rom 3:29
Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
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Rom 3:30
Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
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Rom 3:31
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
1Pe 1:2
Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
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None of.that changes that you are not required to keep the Sabbath.
Faith establishes the Law. it does not abolish the law.
OK here is an alternative way to explain it to you. Is Christ our father in Christianity?
God's prophet Hosea prophesied this :
Hos 11:1
When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt.
Mathew said Jesus as a baby fulfilled Hosea's prophecy.
Mat 2:13
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And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him.
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Mat 2:14
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When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt:
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Mat 2:15
And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.
Paul said not all of Israel are of Israel.
Rom 9:6
Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
Paul says ALL OF ISRAEL WILL BE SAVED. Well if all the Jews don't follow Christ they can't be saved. So what did Paul mean?
Rom 11:26
And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
The whole of Romans 11 is an allegory of Christ as a olive tree and or the Jews to did not choose Christ being broken off the tree and new branches (gentiles) being grafted into the tree obvious the Jews that accepted Christ remained in the tree.
Conclusion: Hosea and Matthew prove Israel is another biblical name given to Christ. Since Christ is our father were are now the children of Israel so ALL OF ISRAEL WILL BE SAVED. We are Spiritual Israel. Romans isn't talking about literal Israel because you cannot get into heaven without voluntarily believing in Christ.
Exo 31:16
Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
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Exo 31:17
It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.
So the Sabbath is a perpetual Covenant with Christ and his children , now Spiritual Israel, throughout their generations.
Hos 11:1
When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt.
Mathew said Jesus as a baby fulfilled Hosea's prophecy.
Mat 2:13
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And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him.
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Mat 2:14
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When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt:
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Mat 2:15
And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.
Paul said not all of Israel are of Israel.
Rom 9:6
Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
Paul says ALL OF ISRAEL WILL BE SAVED. Well if all the Jews don't follow Christ they can't be saved. So what did Paul mean?
Rom 11:26
And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
The whole of Romans 11 is an allegory of Christ as a olive tree and or the Jews to did not choose Christ being broken off the tree and new branches (gentiles) being grafted into the tree obvious the Jews that accepted Christ remained in the tree.
Conclusion: Hosea and Matthew prove Israel is another biblical name given to Christ. Since Christ is our father were are now the children of Israel so ALL OF ISRAEL WILL BE SAVED. We are Spiritual Israel. Romans isn't talking about literal Israel because you cannot get into heaven without voluntarily believing in Christ.
Exo 31:16
Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
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Exo 31:17
It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.
So the Sabbath is a perpetual Covenant with Christ and his children , now Spiritual Israel, throughout their generations.
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Again, read the passages and speak to your pastor. The knowledgeable Buddhist shouldn't be where you get religious information from, though I believe I have given you enough information so you will know that the Sabbath and eating kosher are no longer required. I notice you don't insist that Christians should eat kosher, though that was part of the "law" you think still applies to you even when specific verses in your own religious text tell you that you do not have to follow either of those cleansing rules.
The Sabbath dayS that were abolished at the cross were the Ceremonial law Sabbath dayS. They pointed to the advent of Christ and to his death on the cross. The Sabbath DAY (singular) does not point to the advent of Christ or to his death on the cross.
DAMO Please explain to me how the 7th day Sabbath points to Christ's death of the cross. How is it a Shadow of things to come?
BTW:If I talked to my pastor he would tell me I'm right.
Col 2:16
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Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
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Col 2:17
Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.