I don't think it matters if it happens on Saturday all that much. You need to remember "His" day of rest, and rest yourself. I do not believe that it matters which day you pick so long as you remember it and keep it "holy" while you do.
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IBDaMann
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Correct. I was the one who mentioned them. I don't know if this is improvement on your part, but we can continue to encourage you. Baby steps.
But that is not what the Bible says. It comes down to do you want to follow what God has asked you to do or do what Man tells you to do.
I suggest you read every verse that mentions the 7th day and every verse that mentions the first day then tell me which day God wants us to observe.
IBDaMann
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This is not true. Catholics do not believe that anything somehow overrides scripture.
They just don't believe that going to mass has to be on Saturday.
They most certainly do not.
Correct. Nor do the Catholics.
Nope. Catholics separate the sabbath from the day they go to mass. The commandment is to keep holy the sabbath, not go to mass on the sabbath.
His reading comprehension lacks.
IBDaMann
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I wouldn't go that far. There is very little that you can understand. Baby steps.
The Bible tells you to remember it and to keep it holy, it does not say to make sure it happened on the 7th day after creation only. I do not think the Jewish folk would know when that day was as Abraham wasn't around until WAAAAAAAAY after creation and the Sabbath command didn't come down until Moses, even later than Abraham. If we go by your own Bible, it was thousands of years before there was a command to take that day off, and by then it is very likely that the folks had not kept track of that specific date until then...
Just remember that day, keep it holy, on that day you choose to keep holy. You'll be fine. I don't know of any protestant church that does Saturday except the one created by the "Adventist" who thrice predicted the rapture and failed before they even created their church...
Nope there are MULTIPLE quotes where the Catholics admit they changed the solemnity of the Sabbath to Sunday a move that most Protestant churches took with them when the split from the Catholic Church.
Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine by Reverend Peter Giermann. “Question: Which is the Sabbath day? Answer: Saturday is the Sabbath day. Question: Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday? Answer: We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church in the Council of Laodicea transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.”
Second, from Reverend Steven Keenan’s Doctrinal Catechism we read this: “Question: Have you any other way of proving that the Church has power to institute festivals of precept? Answer: Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her; she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday, the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday, the seventh day; a change for which there is no Scriptural authority.”
IBDaMann
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I suspect that you don't agree with the hiring of less competent people on the basis that they are sexually confused or that their sexuality falls outside the norm.
IBDaMann
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Are these quotes from Popes speaking ex-cathedra?
You suspect right, but the flag does not represent that.
IBDaMann
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Originally that flag did not, but now it most certainly does.
The Catholic Church believe tradition is equally as important as scripture.
Tradition and scripture... "are equally authoritative and inseparable. Scripture is considered the "written Word of God," while Sacred Tradition is the "unwritten word" of God, which includes oral teachings, sacraments, and the interpretation of scripture passed down from the apostles"
Tradition and scripture... "are equally authoritative and inseparable. Scripture is considered the "written Word of God," while Sacred Tradition is the "unwritten word" of God, which includes oral teachings, sacraments, and the interpretation of scripture passed down from the apostles"
Damo did Christ ever sin?
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I don't personally believe that Christ existed. But if we go by your religion he did not sin. If we go by the Jehovah's Witnesses, he was Michael, not the "son of God"...
However, that changes nothing about what I said. It's very likely that the Jews had no idea which day of the week was day 7 of creation... but remembering that day and keeping it holy was the command, not "do this only on this day"... Nobody corrected them to the correct day...
Seriously, this isn't hard to follow. It is extremely unlikely that people thousands of years later were even speaking the same language as those at the beginning, let alone kept track of a wildly random 7 days. It wasn't until Moses you got the command to follow that pattern...
IBDaMann
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Which ones. If they are from Popes speaking ex-cathedra then the Church has to go with that. Otherwise, it doesn't count.
So if Christ existed , which He did, and if He was sin free which He was then the day that He worshiped on was the 7th day Sabbath Jews spread all over the world worship on the same 7th day Sabbath.
But if there were only a more proof positive sign from God to show them which day the 7th day Sabbath is on!
BINGO! There is one. God reminded the children of Israel every week for 40 years which day the Sabbath was and that they should rest on it.
Exo 16:14
And when the dew that lay was gone up, behold, upon the face of the wilderness there lay a small round thing, as small as the hoar frost on the ground.
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Exo 16:15
And when the children of Israel saw it, they said one to another, It is manna: for they wist not what it was. And Moses said unto them, This is the bread which the LORD hath given you to eat.
Exo 16:16
This is the thing which the LORD hath commanded, Gather of it every man according to his eating, an omer for every man, according to the number of your persons; take ye every man for them which are in his tents.
Exo 16:17
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And the children of Israel did so, and gathered, some more, some less.
Exo 16:18
And when they did mete it with an omer, he that gathered much had nothing over, and he that gathered little had no lack; they gathered every man according to his eating.
Exo 16:19
And Moses said, Let no man leave of it till the morning.
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Exo 16:20
Notwithstanding they hearkened not unto Moses; but some of them left of it until the morning, and it bred worms, and stank: and Moses was wroth with them.
Exo 16:21
And they gathered it every morning, every man according to his eating: and when the sun waxed hot, it melted.
Exo 16:22
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And it came to pass, that on the sixth day they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for one man: and all the rulers of the congregation came and told Moses.
Exo 16:23
And he said unto them, This is that which the LORD hath said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD: bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.
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Exo 16:24
And they laid it up till the morning, as Moses bade: and it did not stink, neither was there any worm therein.
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Exo 16:25
And Moses said, Eat that to day; for to day is a sabbath unto the LORD: to day ye shall not find it in the field.
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Exo 16:26
Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none.
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Exo 16:27
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And it came to pass, that there went out some of the people on the seventh day for to gather, and they found none.
Exo 16:28
And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?
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Exo 16:29
See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.
Again, he never said, "You've been doing it wrong" he just let them do it on the 7th day they picked.
You keep trying to "prove" something, but the words you are repeating do not change the reality of what I stated. It isn't the "weekaversary" that is important, it is remembering the 7th day. Every 7 days you are supposed to remember that day and keep it holy.
Tell me how many Christians you think are going to hell for remembering that day on Sunday... and I'll laugh at you quietly. At this point there is little that would change your mind, you think they are super accurate... I think Jesus didn't care if it was on the "same" day as the first day of rest, he only cared that they remembered it, and kept it holy.