What does this painting mean to you?
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IBDaMann
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Absolutely. The word for "Sabbath" was coded into the following languages as the word for "Saturday", i.e. borrowed directly from the Hebrew word "Shabbat":
Spanish: sábado
Italian: sabato
Portuguese: sábado
Russian: суббота
Polish: sobota
Ukrainian: субота
Greek: Σάββατο
Romanian: sâmbătă
Hungarian: szombat
Czech: sobota
Slovak: sobota
Bulgarian: събота
Serbian: субота
Croatian: subota
Slovenian: sobota
In other languages such as English, Saturday carries the name of Saturn because the Romans assigned celestial bodies to the days of the week.
Yep I can't stand any of those guys either. Remember when Oral Roberts Oral Roberts went up in his tower and demanded people to donate to prevent him from dying. Shameful.
I think Tilton had a horse Ranch in California and flew into tape his sermons in Dallas.
In my church all preachers are employed by the General Conference. (National Church Body) Preachers are all paid about the same money but of course the more seniority the more they earn but no one gets rich. That way if the rich family in the Church can't do whatever they want because the preacher is too afraid to lose their revenue. Losing a single rich family means nothing to the General conference. I think offerings should have a 10% area that goes to the General Conference and area for church expense (lights water etc) and a place for missions work. You can direct where your donation goes.
I think preachers should make a decent living but not get rich. The money we give is to spread the gospel not to make preachers rich or build ornate churches.
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BINGO. The Jews were in open rebellion to Rome. The Rome empire viewed Christians as offshoots of Jews because they worshiped on the 7th day of the week like the Jews. Early Christians were being persecuted like Jews. So the Church in Rome evolved to worshiping on the 1st day of the week to distant themselves from the Jews..
Almost every one of the protestant churches originated in the Catholic Church when they split from it they took Sunday observance too. Yes I'm critical of them also. The Sabbath is a special day.The Sabbath was made HOLY by God and he blessed the 7th day.
Gen 2:2
And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
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Gen 2:3
And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
Ezo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exodus 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
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In the Bible a pure woman represents the Church and an impure woman represents the apostate church in Rev 17 we have an impure woman that spawns impure daughters. So a Church teaching false doctrines that spawns other churches that teach false doctrines.
Rev 17:4
And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
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Rev 17:5
And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
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Rev 17:6
And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
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People often ask how do you know the Sabbath is the 7th day.
Simple. Christ never sinned. He observed the 7th day Sabbath. Jews all over the world still observe the same seventh day Sabbath as Christ did.
christiefan915
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It may be the seventh day but that doesn't mean it was "Saturday" as we know it.
IBDaMann
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Correct. The earliest Christians celebrated both the Sabbath on Saturday and the Lord's Day (Sunday) because Christ rose on a Sunday. A few hundred years after the death of Jesus, practice among Christians to worship on Sunday became more greatly emphasized as Christianity grew, and observance of the Sabbath waned. Eventually, many of the Christians simply began referring to Sunday as their Sabbath or "day of rest". Then Islam came into the picture, and Muslims couldn't have their holy day, i.e. Juma, be the same day of the week that the Jews picked, and the day after Saturday was already taken by the Christians, so Muslims selected the day before Saturday, i.e. Friday
What is the holy day of Climate Change? I know that every year they celebrate their festivals of Climate Confereces where they make pilgrimmages to their local Climate Ground Zero.
Pentacostals are fundamentalists. In the 1950s era of that painting they would have been considered fringe. The painting implies a respectable WASP family attending a conventional mainline Protestant church.
I explicitly said that I do not rule out that it happens. But I have made the rounds of Christianity more than anyone on this board, and I have never seen a political flag in the worship space of a Methodist, Presbyterian, Episcopal, Lutheran, Quaker, Catholic, Unitarian, or Orthodox church.
So what you are suggesting is definitely the exception, not the rule.
I think that you miss it because it is normal. While not often in the sanctuary, flags are regularly in the Narthex of Catholic and Lutheran churches. And yes, even Methodist churches. Look for them next time you happen to be inside one.
That was exactly the point I made, and it took you three posts to finally agree with me.
That's not what I was talking about.
The painting shows the American flag in worship space, and I was explicitly referring to the display of political symbols in the worship space.
What are you saying the Jews called the 7th day the Sabbath and they still do. The word Sabbath HEAVILY influenced the name for the 7th day in many languages as IBDaMan pointed out in his post.
So what is your point?
Libhater
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Nasty and unGodly perfectly describes all you who praised the killing of Charlie Kirk, have deep rooted hatred for Christianity,
prefer to abort our future generation, support and engage in Marxist-Communist ideology, support and define illegal criminals
as victims, defund our police, set up sanctuary cities/states to harbor these illegal criminals, defund and attack our police/I.C.E.,
use cashless bail to release these criminals to violently commit more and more heinous crimes including murder, indoctrinating
our school children to hate Whitey and to promote tranny men to compete in women's sports, rail against our deporting biden's
illegal criminals, rail against Trump's orders to blow up boats filled with the very fentanyl drug that has led to the deaths of
hundreds of thousands of American lives, rail against the usage of ICE and National troops that have and are saving the lives of
many people who live in unprotected fecklessly run blue cities and states, and many other examples of the un-anti American
ideals and actions by the radical dems. Go ahead now, join your buddy like Mamdani who is out burning the American flag,
marching in an anti Semite parade chuck full of leftists, and don't forget to topple any and all historic statues of our founding
fathers.
You think he ever goes inside a church?
In Vacation Bible School we sang the National anthem and Onward Christian Soldiers every morning.
We all are. Fortunately our filthy rags will be covered by pure raiments on judgement day.
No, you said you "never saw" a flag in a church, listed a ton of churches, and I informed you that almost all of them regularly put a flag and where.
Jesus didn't care about politics or nationalism.
I attend an evangelical church as a social experiment, and I have never seen an American flag, and I've never heard anything about politics or nationalism in the service.