What does an illegal immigrant look like?

A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, WITHOUT A WARRANT, MAY ARREST A PERSON38 IF THE OFFICER HAS PROBABLE CAUSE TO BELIEVE THAT THE PERSON HAS COMMITTED39 ANY PUBLIC OFFENSE THAT MAKES THE PERSON REMOVABLE FROM THE UNITED STATES.

I'll assume you have a problem with this? You have conspiracy theory fantasies that cops are just going go out and stop random latinos. You are crazy. that's the problem. It's you.

Ad hom and a straw man. The argument is that this gives them a power not enjoyed by the feds and discouraged by the courts if not prohibited. It's not just about racial profiling. PMP said...

I think they look like a guy with no proof of citizenship in his pocket.....

Which started this and the point is still, a lack of documentation is not probable cause of a crime. It does not permit warrantless arrests by federal agents and certainly will not pass judicial scrutiny for state leo's.
 
Do you know how hard it is to prove bad faith against a police officer? Even when the courts have ruled that police policy violates constitutional rights they do not find that officers acted in bad faith. This is what Gonzales v Peoria is all about. The court discouraged/prohibited the policies of the police but could find no proof of bad faith.
 
A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, WITHOUT A WARRANT, MAY ARREST A PERSON38 IF THE OFFICER HAS PROBABLE CAUSE TO BELIEVE THAT THE PERSON HAS COMMITTED39 ANY PUBLIC OFFENSE THAT MAKES THE PERSON REMOVABLE FROM THE UNITED STATES.

I'll assume you have a problem with this? You have conspiracy theory fantasies that cops are just going go out and stop random latinos. You are crazy. that's the problem. It's you.

And the only group that is promoting that being BROWN is a PROBABLE CAUSE, are LIBERALS.

Why do Liberals hate Hispanics??
 
A 2006 Pew Hispanic Center study, "Growth in the Foreign-Born Workforce and Employment of the Native Born," found no evidence that the large increases in immigration since 1990 have led to higher unemployment among native Americans.

The center examined census data on the increase in immigrants in each of the 50 states, comparing those figures to state jobless rates and participation in the labor force by the native born.

Although immigrants tended to be younger and less educated than native workers, the report found "no apparent relationship between the growth of foreign workers with less education and the employment outcome of native workers with the same level of education."

These findings were in line with those of most economists, who have failed to find a link between immigration and job loss.

"The big message here," said University of California economist Giovanni Peri, who conducted a similar study in California, "is there is no job loss from immigration."

As a general rule, the federal government reaps a net benefit from illegal immigrants in the form of Social Security payments that the workers are never able to collect because they are not citizens; it is the states, in terms of social services, education and medical services, that pay the bulk of costs associated with supporting the undocumented population.

A senior colleague at the Manhattan Institute, Tamar Jacoby, told the conservative National Review that while individuals might receive more in services than they paid in taxes, "they are growing the [overall economic] pie so significantly that that cost pales in comparison."

Jacoby cited a recent study of immigrants in North Carolina that reported that over the prior 10 years, Latino immigrants had cost the state $61 million in a variety of benefits, but were responsible for more than $9 billion in state economic growth.

The same point was made in a 1997 National Academy of Sciences study that found "the less-educated immigrants who impose a fiscal burden are the very same immigrants who provide the economic benefit reported."

A major survey of the net effects of immigration, published in 2006 in The New York Times Magazine, cited only one economist, George Borjas of Harvard, claiming a negative net effect. Many other economists disputed Borjas.

"If Mexicans were taller and whiter," University of California, Berkeley, professor David Card told the magazine, "it would probably be a lot easier" for the public to accept the majority view of economists that the net effects of immigration, which is now predominantly Latino, are positive.


This is the same group that wants to change wording to be undocumented migrants.
Just more antics with semantics.
 
Ad hom and a straw man. The argument is that this gives them a power not enjoyed by the feds and discouraged by the courts if not prohibited. It's not just about racial profiling.


Nonsense. It adds to existing federal laws. The feds aleready have these powers
Read the god damned BILL I fucking linked the damn thing for your lazy ass!
 
This is the same group that wants to change wording to be undocumented migrants.
Just more antics with semantics.

Yep. There is no way they could have accurate statistics on illegal activies. It's ludicrous to accept that study as valid. It's simply impossible. No wonder the dumbass didn't link to the study. In order to quantify the displaced workers, they would have to know the number of illegals hired,and the numbers of people who might have been hired instead if there were enforcement sufficient to eliminate the artificially low wages, and thus attracting workers who weren't desperate because they're breaking laws.

Two total unknowns!!
what a joke. liberal science FTW!!
 
Although immigrants account for 12.5 percent of the U.S. population, they make up about 15 percent of the workforce.

They are overrepresented among workers largely because the rest of our population is aging: Immigrants and their children have accounted for 58 percent of U.S. population growth since 1980. This probably won't change anytime soon.

Low U.S. fertility rates and the upcoming retirement of the baby boomers mean that immigration is likely to be the only source of growth in what we call the "prime age" workforce, workers ages 25 to 55, in the decades ahead.

As record numbers of retirees begin drawing Social Security checks, younger immigrant workers will be paying taxes, somewhat easing the financial pressures on the system.

Moreover, immigrants tend to be concentrated in high- and low-skilled occupations that complement, rather than compete with jobs held by native workers, and the foreign-born workers who fill lower-paying jobs are typically first-hired/first-fired employees, allowing employers to expand and contract their workforces rapidly.

As a result, immigrants experience higher employment than natives during booms, but they suffer higher job losses during downturns, including the current one.

Why not just admit that you hate and fear non-whites?

Prove they account for 15% of the workforce and please use something that is varifiable.
 
Nonsense. It adds to existing federal laws. The feds aleready have these powers
Read the god damned BILL I fucking linked the damn thing for your lazy ass!

YOU ARE A FUCKING IDIOT. It goes beyond existing law. The feds cannot make a warrantless arrest away from the border based on a lack of documentation. Gonzales v Peoria, 8 USC Section 1357.
 
/shrugs....I know that entering the country illegally is a crime....I guess that puts me a few points ahead of you....

What I said...
All a lack of documentation provides probable cause for is illegal presence, not a crime

What you said...
????....of course it is....

I was not talking about illegal entry. Do you now understand that illegal presence is not a crime and are simply trying to backpedal by pretending I said something else or are you still confusing illegal entry and illegal presence?
 
What I said...
All a lack of documentation provides probable cause for is illegal presence, not a crime

What you said...
????....of course it is....

I was not talking about illegal entry. Do you now understand that illegal presence is not a crime and are simply trying to backpedal by pretending I said something else or are you still confusing illegal entry and illegal presence?

of course illegal presence is a crime.....does a bank robber become innocent the moment he steps out of the bank?......one does not become innocent the moment after they cross the border......they remain a criminal.....
 
of course illegal presence is a crime.....does a bank robber become innocent the moment he steps out of the bank?......one does not become innocent the moment after they cross the border......they remain a criminal.....

Illegal presence is not a crime. Illegal presence is not a stage after illegal entry. lol... Illegal presence is when someone enters legally but no longer has the right to be here. Do some research and quit making yourself look like an idiot.
 
Illegal presence is not a crime. Illegal presence is not a stage after illegal entry. lol... Illegal presence is when someone enters legally but no longer has the right to be here. Do some research and quit making yourself look like an idiot.


If it's not a crime, then how can there be a consequence??
 
If it's not a crime, then how can there be a consequence??

You cannot be seriously asking this. You can face a lot of consequences from a civil judgment against you. I mean, tinfoil cited the ability to sue cops acting in bad faith as a way of preventing abuse. Obviously, he is arguing that there is a consequence.

It is so sad that you people are so ignorant of the law. Is it that or are you being disingenuous?
 
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