What do you think of gun violence restraining orders?

And an accusation would not be enough. An estranged spouse would not even be able to petition for one based on the limits noted by French (the author).
so let me see if I understand this process.....man gets accused......is he arrested to await a hearing? served with notice to appear yet keeps his weapons? what happens upon the accusation?

So then what were you talking about here...
In context it sure seems like you were talking about the failure of the FBI.

I speak of every level of government, local to federal. government is full of fail.
 
so let me see if I understand this process.....man gets accused......is he arrested to await a hearing? served with notice to appear yet keeps his weapons? what happens upon the accusation?



I speak of every level of government, local to federal. government is full of fail.

check out the full article at the link in the OP. Not saying it's the answer but it's a different way to possibly attack the problem.
 
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED ? if you give the damned the consent to "deem" a person incapable; you will "deem" most everyone "incapable'. I will stick to my God given right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. I love shooting and being a deterrent to the damned. gun owners are "winning" in that the damned are being punked and i am laughing. I am. these are all productions/ great delusion. I do love them little rascals. ..

Your god is AWOL. Do you really think he/she/it values your need to possess a popgun to make you feel more of a man more than rhe lives of children?
 
so let me see if I understand this process.....man gets accused......is he arrested to await a hearing? served with notice to appear yet keeps his weapons? what happens upon the accusation?

There is no arrest. It's just like a restraining order. Someone petitions for a hearing, they bring evidence before a judge and the target of the order is given an opportunity to answer.



I speak of every level of government, local to federal. government is full of fail.

Yet you would complain if they acted? What is it you want them to do? Have armed guards everywhere?
 
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/02/gun-control-republicans-consider-grvo/

Time and again mass shooters give off warning signals. They issue generalized threats. They post disturbing images. They exhibit fascination with mass killings. But before the deadly act itself, there is no clear path to denying them access to guns. Though people can report their concerns to authorities, sometimes those authorities fail or have limited tools to deal with the emerging danger.

What if, however, there was an evidence-based process for temporarily denying a troubled person access to guns? What if this process empowered family members and others close to a potential shooter, allowing them to “do something” after they “see something” and “say something”? I’ve written that the best line of defense against mass shootings is an empowered, vigilant citizenry. There is a method that has the potential to empower citizens even more, when it’s carefully and properly implemented.


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The great benefit of the GVRO is that it provides citizens with options other than relying on, say, the FBI. As the bureau admitted today, it did not respond appropriately to a timely warning from a “person close to Nikolas Cruz.” According the FBI, that person provided “information about Cruz’s gun ownership, desire to kill people, erratic behavior, and disturbing social media posts, as well as the potential of him conducting a school shooting.”


In other words, it appears the FBI received exactly the kind of information that would justify granting a GVRO.


Just since 2015, the Charleston church shooter, the Orlando nightclub shooter, the Sutherland Springs church shooter, and the Parkland school shooter each happened after federal authorities missed chances to stop them. For those keeping score, that’s four horrific mass shootings in four years where federal systems failed, at a cost of more than 100 lives.

In the last to mass shootings the government failed and your response is to put more faith in therm. When are you going to stop putting faith in an entity that you admit can't do the job?
 
There is no arrest. It's just like a restraining order. Someone petitions for a hearing, they bring evidence before a judge and the target of the order is given an opportunity to answer.
my other question didn't get answered. from the time of complaint to the time of hearing adjudication, what happens to said firearms?

Yet you would complain if they acted? What is it you want them to do? Have armed guards everywhere?
the right of self defense applies to everyone. what stops a woman from carrying their own gun?
 
WTF???

The second amendment does not preclude this. Some restraining orders require the surrender of guns now. Ex felons are not usually free to get guns.

No, not everyone would be deemed "incapable". Did you bother to read any of what I posted or the article?

The things you've mentioned, require a Court order; but a Court order is not required to be placed on the no-fly list and being on the no-fly list prohibits you from buying firearms.
 
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He hasn't left you, you have left him.

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my other question didn't get answered. from the time of complaint to the time of hearing adjudication, what happens to said firearms?

It was answered before you asked it. Read the article.

Nothing happens to them, of course.

This is a due process means of removing guns from a dangerous individual.

the right of self defense applies to everyone.

You did not answer the question. What could the government have done to avoid failure in this case?

what stops a woman from carrying their own gun?

Huh? What does any of this have to do with a woman? WTF are you talking about?
 
The things you've mentioned, require a Court order; but a Court order is not required to be placed on the no-fly list and being on the no-fly list prohibits you from buying firearms.

It does not. Is that what you are on about in your other reply?

It should not either. If the state wants to restrict an individual's constitutional rights then due process should be followed.
 
It does not. Is that what you are on about in your other reply?

It should not either. If the state wants to restrict an individual's constitutional rights then due process should be followed.

And yet, you're ignoring the fact that being placed on the no-fly list (which bans you from buying a firearm) doesn't require a Court order.

Plus you aren't notified that you're on the no-fly list, until you ask.

Would you care to guess how many people were put on the list, by mistake, and how long it took for one person to get off of it.
 
For usf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Fly_List


Got to the section on

Weapons purchases by listed persons (No Fly No Buy)

Problem here is: no due process. You cannot simply take a list that somebody can add your name to simply because they suspect you in order to remove your rights. Let's say we did this for voting and gun rights then somebody like Trump was elected and chose to list people say in a party he wasn't part of on the list. Or to use the list of homegrown terrorists (like he listed Antifa).. and add members to that list, do you think they should have no rights?
 
It was answered before you asked it. Read the article.

Nothing happens to them, of course.

This is a due process means of removing guns from a dangerous individual.
i'm ok with that

You did not answer the question. What could the government have done to avoid failure in this case?
not ignore the warnings, all 30+ of them

Huh? What does any of this have to do with a woman? WTF are you talking about?

people seem to have this idiot idea that it's the governments job to protect us. it is not. In fact, numerous court decisions specifically denote that the government owes no one single individual any protection at all. therefore, what stops a woman from carrying her own gun to protect herself from an abusive ex?
 
Problem here is: no due process. You cannot simply take a list that somebody can add your name to simply because they suspect you in order to remove your rights. Let's say we did this for voting and gun rights then somebody like Trump was elected and chose to list people say in a party he wasn't part of on the list. Or to use the list of homegrown terrorists (like he listed Antifa).. and add members to that list, do you think they should have no rights?

That's what I said.

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The ill informed USF is saying that no fly no buy is law. It's not and shouldn't be, for the reasons you and I have noted.

But a GVRO grants full due process. The target has ample opportunity to answer any evidence entered against him and the decision is made by a judge rather than some government bureaucrat.
 
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i'm ok with that


not ignore the warnings, all 30+ of them

What should they do if they are not going to ignore the warnings? I agree, but that's why we should empower citizens to act.

The FBI should not be able to strip anyone of their rights without due process.

people seem to have this idiot idea that it's the governments job to protect us. it is not. In fact, numerous court decisions specifically denote that the government owes no one single individual any protection at all. therefore, what stops a woman from carrying her own gun to protect herself from an abusive ex?

Nothing. And this has nothing to do with your ex. It's not about a couple at all. You are way off topic.
 
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