What America’s new arms deal with Saudi Arabia says about the Trump administration

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It puts human rights aside to make a buck.

President Trump has just announced the sale of a whopping $110 billion to Saudi Arabia which includes “tanks and helicopters for border security, ships for coastal security, intelligence-gathering aircraft, a missile-defense radar system, and cybersecurity tools...” The deal had been in the works for some time, but the White House evidently pushed hard to finalize the deal in time to announce it during the president’s trip to Saudi Arabia.

Back in September, the Obama administration approved a more than $115 billion arms deal with the Saudis. But as the death toll and reports of human rights violations in the Saudi-led war on Yemen began to rise dramatically, the Obama administration nixed the sale of the precision-guided munitions it had originally agreed to put in the deal to try to coerce the Saudis into curbing those atrocities. Now those munitions are back in the Trump arms package — which speaks volumes about this administration.

...In fact, the entire deal paints a vivid picture of the Trump administration — an administration that is willing to bend over backwards to make deals with important friends, that doesn’t let human rights concerns get in the way of doing business, and where personal relationships with those closest to the president can prove highly lucrative.

And though relations between the two countries were strained during the Obama years due in large part to the administration’s overtures to Iran, it was still the biggest deal ever offered in the history of the US-Saudi alliance. But it came with another price.

The Saudis, with support of the US and several other regional allies, have led a two-year campaign against the Houthis, an Iranian-backed armed group that is trying to dislodge the Saudi-backed Yemeni government. The war has been brutal and has produced a humanitarian catastrophe on a staggering scale: at least 10,000 people have been killed and over 3 million displaced since the war began in March 2015. Millions more are currently at risk of famine.

The Obama administration increasingly tried (although not hard enough to make any noticeable difference) to use its leverage over the Saudis — in particular, US military support and arms sales — to compel the Saudis to stop these sorts of flagrant human rights violations. Trump, on the other hand, doesn’t prioritize human rights or values in his foreign policy. He claims his foreign policy is solely based on the national interest. As he stated during the campaign, the United States will “finally have a coherent foreign policy based upon American interests and the shared interests of our allies” should he become president.

Trump seems more than willing to cast aside the growing evidence of the kingdom’s brutal actions in Yemen in order to pass an arms deal — especially if he thinks he can get something out of it in return.

And that’s precisely why Saudi Arabia — and numerous other countries who have been lectured about human rights by the Obama administration for the past eight years — are so happy to have Trump in the Oval Office now. It’s much easier to commit massive human rights abuses when the people selling you weapons don’t particularly care how you use them, as long as you pay up.


https://www.vox.com/2017/5/20/15626638/trump-saudi-arabia-arms-deal
 
Back in September, the Obama administration approved a more than $115 billion arms deal with the Saudis. But as the death toll and reports of human rights violations in the Saudi-led war on Yemen began to rise dramatically, the Obama administration nixed the sale of the precision-guided munitions it had originally agreed to put in the deal to try to coerce the Saudis into curbing those atrocities. Now those munitions are back in the Trump arms package — which speaks volumes about this administration.
the SMART bombs actually help reduce bad targeting!! (collateral damage)

Obama's holding them back contributed to "collateral damage" - how dumb was that?

Obama's sanctions of el-Sisi drove Egypt to turn to Moscow for weapons -how dumb was that?

You CANNOT run a foreign policy guided by human rights. It produces such dumbness as these
 
whether you sell the saudis these things the yemeni will still die. All that will matter is whether the arms are f-35 or migs. : )
 
btw these items are the things terrorists have trouble using. Ships, tanks, planes things that can easily be blown up by high tech weaponry. I like that the vast majority of the sale is those things.
 
It's not like we just started making exceptions for SA. Remember how Bush and Obama both withheld the pages of information which outlined the Saudi's culpability in 9/11, and how Obama tried to veto the bill that allows family members to file litigation?
 
It's not like we just started making exceptions for SA. Remember how Bush and Obama both withheld the pages of information which outlined the Saudi's culpability in 9/11, and how Obama tried to veto the bill that allows family members to file litigation?
there were reasons for that.. The redacted pages were not confirmed.

The inability to file suit against a foreign country was also to protect the USA from foreign filings against itself
 
It puts human rights aside to make a buck.

President Trump has just announced the sale of a whopping $110 billion to Saudi Arabia which includes “tanks and helicopters for border security, ships for coastal security, intelligence-gathering aircraft, a missile-defense radar system, and cybersecurity tools...” The deal had been in the works for some time, but the White House evidently pushed hard to finalize the deal in time to announce it during the president’s trip to Saudi Arabia.

Back in September, the Obama administration approved a more than $115 billion arms deal with the Saudis. But as the death toll and reports of human rights violations in the Saudi-led war on Yemen began to rise dramatically, the Obama administration nixed the sale of the precision-guided munitions it had originally agreed to put in the deal to try to coerce the Saudis into curbing those atrocities. Now those munitions are back in the Trump arms package — which speaks volumes about this administration.

...In fact, the entire deal paints a vivid picture of the Trump administration — an administration that is willing to bend over backwards to make deals with important friends, that doesn’t let human rights concerns get in the way of doing business, and where personal relationships with those closest to the president can prove highly lucrative.

And though relations between the two countries were strained during the Obama years due in large part to the administration’s overtures to Iran, it was still the biggest deal ever offered in the history of the US-Saudi alliance. But it came with another price.

The Saudis, with support of the US and several other regional allies, have led a two-year campaign against the Houthis, an Iranian-backed armed group that is trying to dislodge the Saudi-backed Yemeni government. The war has been brutal and has produced a humanitarian catastrophe on a staggering scale: at least 10,000 people have been killed and over 3 million displaced since the war began in March 2015. Millions more are currently at risk of famine.

The Obama administration increasingly tried (although not hard enough to make any noticeable difference) to use its leverage over the Saudis — in particular, US military support and arms sales — to compel the Saudis to stop these sorts of flagrant human rights violations. Trump, on the other hand, doesn’t prioritize human rights or values in his foreign policy. He claims his foreign policy is solely based on the national interest. As he stated during the campaign, the United States will “finally have a coherent foreign policy based upon American interests and the shared interests of our allies” should he become president.

Trump seems more than willing to cast aside the growing evidence of the kingdom’s brutal actions in Yemen in order to pass an arms deal — especially if he thinks he can get something out of it in return.

And that’s precisely why Saudi Arabia — and numerous other countries who have been lectured about human rights by the Obama administration for the past eight years — are so happy to have Trump in the Oval Office now. It’s much easier to commit massive human rights abuses when the people selling you weapons don’t particularly care how you use them, as long as you pay up.


https://www.vox.com/2017/5/20/15626638/trump-saudi-arabia-arms-deal

The same thing Obama did. Did you by chance have a problem with it then? Not being cocky, just asking.
 
The same thing Obama did. Did you by chance have a problem with it then? Not being cocky, just asking.

I'm not sure what you mean by "the same thing."

Obama's deal stalled because: Back in September, the Obama administration approved a more than $115 billion arms deal with the Saudis. But as the death toll and reports of human rights violations in the Saudi-led war on Yemen began to rise dramatically, the Obama administration nixed the sale of the precision-guided munitions it had originally agreed to put in the deal to try to coerce the Saudis into curbing those atrocities. Now those munitions are back in the package."
 
the SMART bombs actually help reduce bad targeting!! (collateral damage)

Obama's holding them back contributed to "collateral damage" - how dumb was that?

Obama's sanctions of el-Sisi drove Egypt to turn to Moscow for weapons -how dumb was that?

You CANNOT run a foreign policy guided by human rights. It produces such dumbness as these

THE ART OF THE DEAL. trump claims he's a master negotiator, as in this comment from the book. ""A new 727 sells for approximately $30 million. A G-4, which is one fourth the size, goes for about $18 million...I offered $5 million, which was obviously ridiculously low. They countered at $10 million, and at that point I knew I had a great deal, regardless of how the negotiation ended." (Page 365)

So my take is, either he's not a master negotiator who was able to get the Saudis to curb their atrocities and still get the U.S. to come out on top; or he has no interest in their atrocities and never even brought it up as a condition of the deal.
 
THE ART OF THE DEAL. trump claims he's a master negotiator, as in this comment from the book. ""A new 727 sells for approximately $30 million. A G-4, which is one fourth the size, goes for about $18 million...I offered $5 million, which was obviously ridiculously low. They countered at $10 million, and at that point I knew I had a great deal, regardless of how the negotiation ended." (Page 365)

So my take is, either he's not a master negotiator who was able to get the Saudis to curb their atrocities and still get the U.S. to come out on top; or he has no interest in their atrocities and never even brought it up as a condition of the deal.

Alternate Scenario : "I'm not here to lecture" ( Trump) and he really wasn't.

It's like pointing to atrocities in Syria..they are everywhere so who cares?
Much the same in Yemen if not as grotesque

It's because SA refuses to use their army as an Expeditionary Force in Yemen.
They would probably join Egypt in the Sunni coalition to Syria,but they are not going to get bogged down in Yemen
 
It puts human rights aside to make a buck.

President Trump has just announced the sale of a whopping $110 billion to Saudi Arabia which includes “tanks and helicopters for border security, ships for coastal security, intelligence-gathering aircraft, a missile-defense radar system, and cybersecurity tools...” The deal had been in the works for some time, but the White House evidently pushed hard to finalize the deal in time to announce it during the president’s trip to Saudi Arabia.

Back in September, the Obama administration approved a more than $115 billion arms deal with the Saudis. But as the death toll and reports of human rights violations in the Saudi-led war on Yemen began to rise dramatically, the Obama administration nixed the sale of the precision-guided munitions it had originally agreed to put in the deal to try to coerce the Saudis into curbing those atrocities. Now those munitions are back in the Trump arms package — which speaks volumes about this administration.

...In fact, the entire deal paints a vivid picture of the Trump administration — an administration that is willing to bend over backwards to make deals with important friends, that doesn’t let human rights concerns get in the way of doing business, and where personal relationships with those closest to the president can prove highly lucrative.

And though relations between the two countries were strained during the Obama years due in large part to the administration’s overtures to Iran, it was still the biggest deal ever offered in the history of the US-Saudi alliance. But it came with another price.

The Saudis, with support of the US and several other regional allies, have led a two-year campaign against the Houthis, an Iranian-backed armed group that is trying to dislodge the Saudi-backed Yemeni government. The war has been brutal and has produced a humanitarian catastrophe on a staggering scale: at least 10,000 people have been killed and over 3 million displaced since the war began in March 2015. Millions more are currently at risk of famine.

The Obama administration increasingly tried (although not hard enough to make any noticeable difference) to use its leverage over the Saudis — in particular, US military support and arms sales — to compel the Saudis to stop these sorts of flagrant human rights violations. Trump, on the other hand, doesn’t prioritize human rights or values in his foreign policy. He claims his foreign policy is solely based on the national interest. As he stated during the campaign, the United States will “finally have a coherent foreign policy based upon American interests and the shared interests of our allies” should he become president.

Trump seems more than willing to cast aside the growing evidence of the kingdom’s brutal actions in Yemen in order to pass an arms deal — especially if he thinks he can get something out of it in return.

And that’s precisely why Saudi Arabia — and numerous other countries who have been lectured about human rights by the Obama administration for the past eight years — are so happy to have Trump in the Oval Office now. It’s much easier to commit massive human rights abuses when the people selling you weapons don’t particularly care how you use them, as long as you pay up.


https://www.vox.com/2017/5/20/15626638/trump-saudi-arabia-arms-deal

Not only sacrificing our American values for the sake of profit, but Drumpf is actually losing money for us!

Obama had negotiated a 315 billion dollar deal last September, so Drumpf took Obama's deal and actually lost us five billion bucks!
 
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