What a tragic story

Darla said:
Who does that?? NOtice my post said "rapists" not "men". First of all, men can be the victims of rape, and most importantly, feminists like me are more aware than the general population that not all men rape. Rapists rape. Rape is not a misunderstanding, studies show that men know they are raping. Many of them target drunk victims, because they know they are least likely to be reported, and even less likely to be convicted. But they know they are raping the victim, that is what they enjoy. THey enjoy that. Most men do not enjoy this, and most men don't rape.
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then i'm very happy we can agree on this.

Darla said:
It infuriates me how the fact is that feminists are actually men's best friends, but so many people like you have been brainwashed otherwise.
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no. it infuriates you that you're only a mans best friend as long as he adheres to your feminist idea of emasculated men. it's not 'brainwashing' for a man to be a man, testosterone and all that goes with it.
 
Disillusioned said:
You seem to have a problem with the concept of blame enough to pass around. Let me try a different way. The criminology school of Routine Activities theory states in order for a crime to occur there must be a motivated offender, a suitable target and a lack of necessary guardian. If any of this are not present, the crime will not occur.

Let's take this and apply it to the situation.

Motivated Offender: Drunk ass college students looking for sex.
Suitable Target: Girl of appropriate age.
Lack of Guardianship: I'm going to say being drunk off her ass counts as no longer being a guardian.

Now we take the next step, she can't do anything about guys wanting sex, well she could but castration without consent is illegal. She could do something about being at the party, if she wasn't there it wouldn't occur, and likewise if she wasn't lacking in guardianship, IE stayed sober or had a friend along, this probably wouldn't have occurred.

Now let's get to the key point of this which seems to be missing from what was referred to as the "V Trinities" responses. It was within her power to prevent this. It was also within the power of the offender's but they don't really want to prevent it, so we're left with the person who wants to prevent rape being the one who should have been the most highly motivated to prevent crime. I would reffer to this as defensive living, I lock my car, I lock my house, I don't leave my wallet lying around at work and I don't wander around downtown at two in the morning drunk off my ass. If I were to be victimized while the criminal would still be the one prosecuted, I would have been in a position to prevent victimization altogether.


Main message here. If you want rapists prosecuted and imprisoned, continue to get drunk around strange men. If you want rapes not to occur, try to think ahead.
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The main message is that the woman is still being blamed for her rape. Why don't you say anything about the boys' legal and moral obligations to keep up their zippers in situations like this? You wrote re: the offenders "they don't really want to prevent it." That's just a lame excuse for their actions.

If you want to make an argument that teens shouldn't go to parties, indulge in underage drinking and then pass out, I agree 100%. But given that some of them are stupid enough to do it still doesn't justify others to take advantage of those persons.
 
Darla said:
Who does that?? NOtice my post said "rapists" not "men". First of all, men can be the victims of rape, and most importantly, feminists like me are more aware than the general population that not all men rape. Rapists rape. Rape is not a misunderstanding, studies show that men know they are raping. Many of them target drunk victims, because they know they are least likely to be reported, and even less likely to be convicted. But they know they are raping the victim, that is what they enjoy. THey enjoy that. Most men do not enjoy this, and most men don't rape.

It infuriates me how the fact is that feminists are actually men's best friends, but so many people like you have been brainwashed otherwise. I deal with this daily, and it always amazes me. My very own niece is in constant battles because she wants to hang out with boys and other girls, who are friends. My sister in law, who is a right winger and absolutely and loudly not a feminist, is convinced she is going to be raped! My niece is very smart, and complains to me about this and tells me, they're not going to rape me. I told her that her mother should not be teaching her that all boys are rapists because nothing could be further from the truth. And I warn her about actual rapists, and their methods, including targeting girls who have been drinking, but am clear that most men and most boys are NOT rapists.

You guys seriously have no idea what you are talking about. No one is more aware than I am that most men do not rape, that rapists rape, and that rapists know they are raping.
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You are so full of shit you dimwit
 
NOVA said:
I taught my daughters to take care of themselves, to be aware of their surroundings at all times, to not take risky chances and make stupid decisions.....
doesn't everyone ?

You play in traffic, don't blame the freakin' drivers that run over you.
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But if your daughter had made the mistake of drinking too much, and then was raped would you tell her too bad, it's your own fault?
 
christiefan915 said:
The main message is that the woman is still being blamed for her rape. Why don't you say anything about the boys' legal and moral obligations to keep up their zippers in situations like this? You wrote re: the offenders "they don't really want to prevent it." That's just a lame excuse for their actions.

If you want to make an argument that teens shouldn't go to parties, indulge in underage drinking and then pass out, I agree 100%. But given that some of them are stupid enough to do it still doesn't justify others to take advantage of those persons.
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And there you have it!
 
christiefan915 said:
The main message is that the woman is still being blamed for her rape. Why don't you say anything about the boys' legal and moral obligations to keep up their zippers in situations like this? You wrote re: the offenders "they don't really want to prevent it." That's just a lame excuse for their actions.

If you want to make an argument that teens shouldn't go to parties, indulge in underage drinking and then pass out, I agree 100%. But given that some of them are stupid enough to do it still doesn't justify others to take advantage of those persons.
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I'll start out by pointing out that you clearly aren't reading what I'm saying. Second, it's obvious that rapists won't stop themselves raping, I don't think anyone here considers rape ok, so just telling people rape is bad, obviously doesn't work.

If you'd like to sit there and hate men, go on by all means but don't think it's going to solve issues. Hence my final point if you want to prevent rape, adopt rape prevention policies, if you want to hate men and blame them for everything... sure keep doing what you're doing.
 
christiefan915 said:
The main message is that the woman is still being blamed for her rape. Why don't you say anything about the boys' legal and moral obligations to keep up their zippers in situations like this? You wrote re: the offenders "they don't really want to prevent it." That's just a lame excuse for their actions.

If you want to make an argument that teens shouldn't go to parties, indulge in underage drinking and then pass out, I agree 100%. But given that some of them are stupid enough to do it still doesn't justify others to take advantage of those persons.
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Disillusioned said:
I'll start out by pointing out that you clearly aren't reading what I'm saying. Second, it's obvious that rapists won't stop themselves raping, I don't think anyone here considers rape ok, so just telling people rape is bad, obviously doesn't work.

If you'd like to sit there and hate men, go on by all means but don't think it's going to solve issues. Hence my final point if you want to prevent rape, adopt rape prevention policies, if you want to hate men and blame them for everything... sure keep doing what you're doing.
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People like this guy reside on another planet. There is nothing about Christie's post that implies she hates men. She is specifically talking bout the accused rapists in this case and further, expresses no hate at all. This poster is literally seeing things. Same thing with sty and his terror of being emasculated. For me, it is fascinating to watch this because I am constantly accused of hating men here and am always stupefied by the claim. After a while you think you aren't expressing yourself correctly. But no, watching this I see clearly; it is not me, it is them.

I'll say one thing about it for sure, real men don't sweat this shit.
 
Darla said:
People like this guy reside on another planet. There is nothing about Christie's post that implies she hates men. She is specifically talking bout the accused rapists in this case and further, expresses no hate at all. This poster is literally seeing things. Same thing with sty and his terror of being emasculated. For me, it is fascinating to watch this because I am constantly accused of hating men here and am always stupefied by the claim. After a while you think you aren't expressing yourself correctly. But no, watching this I see clearly; it is not me, it is them.

I'll say one thing about it for sure, real men don't sweat this shit.
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Does anyone have any stats for rape over the years. Is it on the increase? Is the reporting of it on the increase? Is it about the same as its always been?
With what societal changes does it correlate? Is it simply a symptom of how we have combined our wonderful resources to fuck up the world?
Dont see how one can debate the subject without some history.
 
Disillusioned said:
I'll start out by pointing out that you clearly aren't reading what I'm saying. Second, it's obvious that rapists won't stop themselves raping, I don't think anyone here considers rape ok, so just telling people rape is bad, obviously doesn't work.

If you'd like to sit there and hate men, go on by all means but don't think it's going to solve issues. Hence my final point if you want to prevent rape, adopt rape prevention policies, if you want to hate men and blame them for everything... sure keep doing what you're doing.
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What does my post have to do with hating men? *curious look*

There's no social contract necessary to prevent rape. The woman doesn't have to look or act a certain way to be left alone. The man doesn't have implicit permission for sexual contact even if he believes the woman somehow "asked for it" via her clothing or behaviour. You make it sound like there's an unspoken agreement between the sexes that it's only the woman's obligation to prevent what happens but even then there are a lot of scenarios that don't involve sexual assault.

How about if the woman gets sloppy drunk at the party, the man takes her home? Walks away? Tries to get her sobered up?

Understand this, no person has permission to prey on another who is incapacitated, and it doesn't matter who is the victim and who is the perpetrator. Rape is a crime, not a fortuitous hook-up that one party can't consent to.
 
Rana said:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/soraya-chemaly/50-facts-rape_b_2019338.html
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Thank you for that my Alaskan lassie.

So the incidence of rape has not increased over the years. It might have changed slightly but the same 'driving force' that leads men to rape today was in full evidence for all time.
So lets not 'blame' the women, lets not blame the men (whoaaaaa! wait)

Lets blame the fact that as much as we may think we have improved ourselves since the year dot, there are many aspects in which we have been unsuccessful.
I have no idea why a man rapes... it has never even occurred to me for example. They say its a power thing. OK. Underneath it all then, is the fact that we grow our men to be scientists and biologists and IT specialists and bird watchers and boxers, but...
WE NEVER TEACH THEM TO BE MEN
In the west, to be a man, means to exercise masculine power, but no one tells us WHICH power to exercise - so we shoot guns, and drive cars and fight each other and bungee jump and fly to the moon AND RAPE WOMEN.
And I guess there is more likelihood of rape if the man cannot shoot guns, drive cars and go to the moon.

We should be teaching boys in primary school what life is about and how to respect other people not waiting til they rape someone and bang 'em in gaol.
May be we do teach them and fail. Maybe we do teach them and prevent some rapes. But we, as a society, are doing something very wrong when half our population has due cause to be frightened of the other half.


Dunno if that makes any sense.
 
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