Were fucking owned

Are you fucking stoned or what? Ramifications happen with every law that is made or changed. That is why they are changed, reversed or eradicated.


Try to STFU for a minute and READ what I posted...you reply has nothing to do with what I said....


Again....exactly WHAT are you neocons celebrating? Because the ramifications of this decision provides what you most allegedly hate.....more access to public influence via commercials and such with a lax time table towards the actual election night.

Like some ignorant child you keep repeating a moot point....and like a willfully ignorant neocon parrot you avoid/ignore any logical analysis or facts that contradict your touted beliefs.

You're convoluted logic and insipid stubborness is just getting silly now. Unless you can come up with something new, I'd say we're done.

You need to address the 'ramifications' of the decision, start a new thread ...

" the ramifications of this decision" have nothing to do with the reason the SC made the decision as put forth in the syllabus...the First Amendment is mentioned numerous time in it .....
 
Again....exactly WHAT are you neocons celebrating? Because the ramifications of this decision provides what you most allegedly hate.....more access to public influence via commercials and such with a lax time table towards the actual election night.....Unless you can come up with something new, I'd say we're done.

Who said I allegedly hate more access to public influence? I want everyone to have the same access to public influence! I am not afraid of Free Speech! You've not convinced me (or the SCOTUS) that corporations shouldn't have the right to free speech the same as unions, PAC's, 527's, or wealthy individuals. You've made no case for why we should deny constitutional liberty to a chosen set of individuals because of what "kind" of group they are! And the problem is, you CAN'T come up with anything new, so we ARE done! ...And you've been PWNED!
 
Who said I allegedly hate more access to public influence? I want everyone to have the same access to public influence! I am not afraid of Free Speech! You've not convinced me (or the SCOTUS) that corporations shouldn't have the right to free speech the same as unions, PAC's, 527's, or wealthy individuals. You've made no case for why we should deny constitutional liberty to a chosen set of individuals because of what "kind" of group they are! And the problem is, you CAN'T come up with anything new, so we ARE done! ...And you've been PWNED!

You keep confusing free speech with the ability of folks with more bucks to essentially dominate political commercials and the donations to candidates.. NO ON EVER DENIED CONTRIBUTIONS, YOU FUCKING MORON...but they have been regulated. The Scotus has removed such regulations, and they're wording has given corps and unions the status of INDIVIDUALS, therefore NOT held to the regulations that business, Pacs and such are.

GOT THAT, STUPID! Your rants and raves about liberal media and unions suddenly go out the window because the neocons got their way on dominating the donations and funding in political campaigns...you hypocrit!

Well, like Obama pointed out tonight....Congress can put some road blocks to that bullshit. And like the source links I provided demonstrated, politicians may not be so quick to gobble up the bucks as the people will be aware of who is on whose payroll.

So continue to spew your BS....deny the ramifications of the decision. The adults will be moving on.
 
You keep confusing free speech with the ability of folks with more bucks to essentially dominate political commercials and the donations to candidates.. NO ON EVER DENIED CONTRIBUTIONS, YOU FUCKING MORON...but they have been regulated. The Scotus has removed such regulations, and they're wording has given corps and unions the status of INDIVIDUALS, therefore NOT held to the regulations that business, Pacs and such are.

GOT THAT, STUPID! Your rants and raves about liberal media and unions suddenly go out the window because the neocons got their way on dominating the donations and funding in political campaigns...you hypocrit!

Well, like Obama pointed out tonight....Congress can put some road blocks to that bullshit. And like the source links I provided demonstrated, politicians may not be so quick to gobble up the bucks as the people will be aware of who is on whose payroll.

So continue to spew your BS....deny the ramifications of the decision. The adults will be moving on.

Hey STUPID... show me in the Supreme Court ruling where they said anything about corporations having the rights of individuals, or shut the fuck up repeating that nonsense! Corporations were NOT given the right to cast a ballot in an election, so that completely debunks your LIE that corporations are being given the SAME rights as people! Now, STUPID... FOLLOW CAREFULLY.... The SCOTUS did determine that Corporations are comprised of PEOPLE, and thus, are allowed Constitutional rights to free speech, and Congress can't make a law to prevent that! I am dreadfully sorry you feel like the Constitution allows Congress to restrict free speech on the basis of what "kind" of group someone is in, but the SCOTUS disagrees with you, and it is FAR from a Conservative SCOTUS! ...So, go pound sand!

Indeed! Politicians may not be so quick to gobble up those bucks when we have FULL disclosure and we know where EVERY dime is coming from! As it currently stands, we DON'T know, because 527's shelter that information from us, and politicians are getting all sorts of funding from all kinds of corporate sources, we just don't KNOW about it!
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
You keep confusing free speech with the ability of folks with more bucks to essentially dominate political commercials and the donations to candidates.. NO ON EVER DENIED CONTRIBUTIONS, YOU FUCKING MORON...but they have been regulated. The Scotus has removed such regulations, and they're wording has given corps and unions the status of INDIVIDUALS, therefore NOT held to the regulations that business, Pacs and such are.

GOT THAT, STUPID! Your rants and raves about liberal media and unions suddenly go out the window because the neocons got their way on dominating the donations and funding in political campaigns...you hypocrit!

Well, like Obama pointed out tonight....Congress can put some road blocks to that bullshit. And like the source links I provided demonstrated, politicians may not be so quick to gobble up the bucks as the people will be aware of who is on whose payroll.

So continue to spew your BS....deny the ramifications of the decision. The adults will be moving on.

Hey STUPID... show me in the Supreme Court ruling where they said anything about corporations having the rights of individuals, or shut the fuck up repeating that nonsense! Corporations were NOT given the right to cast a ballot in an election, so that completely debunks your LIE that corporations are being given the SAME rights as people! Now, STUPID... FOLLOW CAREFULLY.... The SCOTUS did determine that Corporations are comprised of PEOPLE, and thus, are allowed Constitutional rights to free speech, and Congress can't make a law to prevent that! I am dreadfully sorry you feel like the Constitution allows Congress to restrict free speech on the basis of what "kind" of group someone is in, but the SCOTUS disagrees with you, and it is FAR from a Conservative SCOTUS! ...So, go pound sand!

Indeed! Politicians may not be so quick to gobble up those bucks when we have FULL disclosure and we know where EVERY dime is coming from! As it currently stands, we DON'T know, because 527's shelter that information from us, and politicians are getting all sorts of funding from all kinds of corporate sources, we just don't KNOW about it!


I love it when you rant and rave in complete and utterly proud ignorance of what's going on in the real world.

Let me clue you in, you braying jackass, Go to the link you're so proud of displaying and READ IT....especially at the beginning ....pages 4 & 5 and from then on. The fantastic amount of Catch-22 like dancing that is done around "individuals" tied to corporations and the actual corporation itself is astounding. Because the bottom line is that individual citizens are NOT privy to the vast profits that a "corporation" makes. THAT'S how this decision treats corporations as a person, because when those checks are signed, it's NOT a personal check from a board member per se, it's the corporation...and buddy, they have a HELL of a lot more bucks than the average citizen or small businessman. The leap the SCOTUS makes with Citizens United to exaggerate what should have been a small and simple decision is nothing knew, as corporations have been favored in many decisions over the century with regards to political funding and putting corporate rights on par with individual citizens. But like wise, you had check and balances, like McCain-Feingold to insure that it wasn't just the citizens with the deepest pockets that dominated the national political discussion. Here, let Sen. Leahy explain it to you.

http://leahy.senate.gov/press/201001/012810b.html

And if you don't get that, here's a simpler version by a guy who does it much better than I could.

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=10&categ_id=30&article_id=111150
 
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Essentially, the Court's ruling permits corporations and labor organizations to use treasury funds to make independent expenditures in connection with federal elections and to fund electioneering communications. The ruling did not affect the ban on corporate or union contributions or the reporting requirements for independent expenditures and electioneering communications. The Commission is studying the Court's opinion and will provide additional guidance as soon as possible.

http://www.fec.gov/pages/brochures/fecfeca.shtml#Contribution_Limits

See Chart..
 
You need to address the 'ramifications' of the decision, start a new thread ...

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Are you fucking stoned or what? Ramifications happen with every law that is made or changed. That is why they are changed, reversed or eradicated.


Try to STFU for a minute and READ what I posted...you reply has nothing to do with what I said....


Again....exactly WHAT are you neocons celebrating? Because the ramifications of this decision provides what you most allegedly hate.....more access to public influence via commercials and such with a lax time table towards the actual election night.

Like some ignorant child you keep repeating a moot point....and like a willfully ignorant neocon parrot you avoid/ignore any logical analysis or facts that contradict your touted beliefs.

You're convoluted logic and insipid stubborness is just getting silly now. Unless you can come up with something new, I'd say we're done.

" the ramifications of this decision" have nothing to do with the reason the SC made the decision as put forth in the syllabus...the First Amendment is mentioned numerous time in it .....

Obviously, you slept through a couple of classes in high school, so once more, I'll dumb it down for you and post it in a form that will catch your eye and engage your cognitive reasoning skills:

Ramifications happen with every law that is made or changed. That is why they are changed, reversed or eradicated.

It you make a law, and that law is placed into effect, there are ramifications

Main Entry: ram·i·fi·ca·tion
Pronunciation: \ˌra-mə-fə-ˈkā-shən\
Function: noun
Date: 1665
1 a : branch, offshoot b : a branched structure
2 a : the act or process of branching b : arrangement of branches (as on a plant)
3 : consequence, outgrowth <the ramifications of the decision>

As for the decision itself, these guys do a better job of explaining than I do.


http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=10&categ_id=30&article_id=111150
 
Essentially, the Court's ruling permits corporations and labor organizations to use treasury funds to make independent expenditures in connection with federal elections and to fund electioneering communications. The ruling did not affect the ban on corporate or union contributions or the reporting requirements for independent expenditures and electioneering communications. The Commission is studying the Court's opinion and will provide additional guidance as soon as possible.

http://www.fec.gov/pages/brochures/fecfeca.shtml#Contribution_Limits

See Chart..

If it were only that cut & dry

http://leahy.senate.gov/press/201001/012810b.html

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=10&categ_id=30&article_id=111150
 

Your arrogant stupidity never ceases to amuse me...

Your seriously expect me to go to Sen. Leahy for a open-minded, non-partisan opinion about anything....???? I think not....

And then you give us a link to a news outlet that caters to Arabs...Its publisher, Kamel Mrowa, owner and editor-in-chief of the Arabic daily Al-Hayat...for more open-minded analysis of US politics...thats unbelievable...
 
I love it when you rant and rave in complete and utterly proud ignorance of what's going on in the real world.

That's what YOU are doing, in MY real world, the SCOTUS ruled on this and that is the end of it. YOU are the one who wants to debate something they have already ruled on, as if your opinions matter now! I think it's OBVIOUS who is living in the real world, and who is living in fantasy land!

Let me clue you in, you braying jackass, Go to the link you're so proud of displaying and READ IT....especially at the beginning ....pages 4 & 5 and from then on. The fantastic amount of Catch-22 like dancing that is done around "individuals" tied to corporations and the actual corporation itself is astounding. Because the bottom line is that individual citizens are NOT privy to the vast profits that a "corporation" makes.

Corporations don't make profits or anything else, they are completely powerless to do anything of their own volition, they can't make money, they can't vote, they can't speak, they can't drive, they can't marry, they can't work, they can't play, they can't shit, they can't walk, they can't even be sustained on life support systems! Corporations have NO power of their own! NONE! If a "profit" is made, it is done solely by INDIVIDUALS! If funding is given for political reasons, it is done specifically by INDIVIDUALS! NOT CORPORATIONS! THEY HAVE ZERO POWER TO DO ANYTHING!


THAT'S how this decision treats corporations as a person, because when those checks are signed, it's NOT a personal check from a board member per se, it's the corporation...and buddy, they have a HELL of a lot more bucks than the average citizen or small businessman.

Again.... Aside from the fact that Corporations can't sign checks... Some corporations are very small... I own a corporation myself, and I venture to say it is probably worth less right now than what the average American makes in a year. So your description of a corporation is totally inaccurate and without basis.

I've read the entire ruling, and I don't see one word about Corporations being considered people.... can you cite the specific paragraph that is in?

The leap the SCOTUS makes with Citizens United to exaggerate what should have been a small and simple decision is nothing knew, as corporations have been favored in many decisions over the century with regards to political funding and putting corporate rights on par with individual citizens. But like wise, you had check and balances, like McCain-Feingold to insure that it wasn't just the citizens with the deepest pockets that dominated the national political discussion.

No, you had McCain-Feingold to insure that SOME people were shut out of the political debate by STIFLING their FREEDOM OF SPEECH! That is what you HAD... Now, you DON'T! Got it, Skippy?

Here, let Sen. Leahy explain it to you.

I don't need a pinhead explanation of what I already know, but thanks anyway!

And if you don't get that, here's a simpler version by a guy who does it much better than I could.

My fucking dog could do it better than YOU could, chicklet! Again... I don't need your links... the case has been heard, and it will be a LONG ass time before the SCOTUS hears it again! In the meantime, you just keep on railing against free speech! I think you are literally BURYING your party permanently. Kudos!
 
The "ramifications" you rant about are figments of your imagination as of now...
As of this moment, there are no ramifications, all you have is speculation of what could or might happen....not what is happening or even sure to happen....
and the Congress has the job of limiting how much money gets into the election process and exactly how it gets there....
The Court ruled on an of 'free speech' ....and thats the simple truth of the matter....
 
Your arrogant stupidity never ceases to amuse me...

Your seriously expect me to go to Sen. Leahy for a open-minded, non-partisan opinion about anything....???? I think not....

And then you give us a link to a news outlet that caters to Arabs...Its publisher, Kamel Mrowa, owner and editor-in-chief of the Arabic daily Al-Hayat...for more open-minded analysis of US politics...thats unbelievable...

YOU INTELLECTUALLY BANKRUPT COWARD!

Unlike you, whenever I'm presented with source material, I READ IT. That way, I know what I'm talking about if I agree or disagree with the author(s) and what they are saying.

Willfully ignorant neocon numbskulls like yourself just attack the IDEA of the authors, and NOT the content of what they have to say....you do this because you CANNOT logically and factually defend your beliefs. Hell, you're so dense I had to school you on the definition of a word that you continuously misused. :palm:

You're done!
 
Originally Posted by bravo
Your arrogant stupidity never ceases to amuse me...

Your seriously expect me to go to Sen. Leahy for a open-minded, non-partisan opinion about anything....???? I think not....

And then you give us a link to a news outlet that caters to Arabs...Its publisher, Kamel Mrowa, owner and editor-in-chief of the Arabic daily Al-Hayat...for more open-minded analysis of US politics...thats unbelievable...

YOU INTELLECTUALLY BANKRUPT COWARD!

Unlike you, whenever I'm presented with source material, I READ IT. That way, I know what I'm talking about if I agree or disagree with the author(s) and what they are saying.

Willfully ignorant neocon numbskulls like yourself just attack the IDEA of the authors, and NOT the content of what they have to say....you do this because you CANNOT logically and factually defend your beliefs. Hell, you're so dense I had to school you on the definition of a word that you continuously misused. :palm:

You're done!

You've just shown everone that you're incapable of being able to thoughtfully or intullectually refute his post; so instead you attack and try to divert the attention from yourself.

You must love pain, to keep having your ass kicked so many times.
 
That's what YOU are doing, in MY real world, the SCOTUS ruled on this and that is the end of it. YOU are the one who wants to debate something they have already ruled on, as if your opinions matter now! I think it's OBVIOUS who is living in the real world, and who is living in fantasy land!

Grow up, genius. This is America, that means citizens can and do contest laws, rulings, etc. Maybe you were asleep in civics class, maybe you don't know what happens to countries that just follow rulings of their gov't without question. TFB for you if your beliefs are challenged.....if you can't take it, then don't discuss things with others....just shove your head further up Rush Limbaugh's fat ass, and you'll hear exactly what you want.



Corporations don't make profits or anything else, they are completely powerless to do anything of their own volition, they can't make money, they can't vote, they can't speak, they can't drive, they can't marry, they can't work, they can't play, they can't shit, they can't walk, they can't even be sustained on life support systems! Corporations have NO power of their own! NONE! If a "profit" is made, it is done solely by INDIVIDUALS! If funding is given for political reasons, it is done specifically by INDIVIDUALS! NOT CORPORATIONS! THEY HAVE ZERO POWER TO DO ANYTHING!

Well toodles, in the real world corporations make profit, employ people, finance projects and small businesses and research, create brand names & products, copyrights, pay taxes, control small levels of infrastructure in some instances, etc., etc. Corporate logos ensure that any product or research financed or sponsored or created by them garners profit solely for them. And when the original founders, board members and worker die, the corporate name lives on....OTHER people buy that corporate brand in some cases. The "corporation" lives on IN LEGAL DOCUMENTS IN NAME, not that of the current board members.

You should have read ALL the material I sourced as well as the SCOTUS ruling you kept throwing in, toodles....they pretty much contradict your rant here.





Again.... Aside from the fact that Corporations can't sign checks... Some corporations are very small... I own a corporation myself, and I venture to say it is probably worth less right now than what the average American makes in a year. So your description of a corporation is totally inaccurate and without basis.

Wrong as usual....for nearly a decade I processed contracts by investment bankers were the client would be identified by the corporate name, and the contract would instruct the reader as to what the corporate name did, what it wanted, and what the bankers would do for it. Whomever was the current legal authorization for the corporation signed the contract could change (and sometimes did), but the CORPORATION was the client.

I've read the entire ruling, and I don't see one word about Corporations being considered people.... can you cite the specific paragraph that is in?

Ahhh, so if you don't see the words, "corporations are people too" then that wasn't one of the results of the ruling? Jeez, not much of a business man, are ya bunky? :palm: Because any good lawyer will tell you that there are several ways to make a statement besides the painfully obvious one. That's why I specified pages 4 & 5 and the cases they sight.


No, you had McCain-Feingold to insure that SOME people were shut out of the political debate by STIFLING their FREEDOM OF SPEECH! That is what you HAD... Now, you DON'T! Got it, Skippy?

Really? And were in McCain-Feingold said that YOU couldn't donate to a campaign, because it doubled hard money donations, right? What it banned was corporations and unions using their funds to run "ADDITIONAL" campaign broadcasts within 30-60 days of election to what the party they were donating to was doing. So what you're pissed about is the "edge" on a crucial aspect was taken away. TFB....if a level playing field isn't to your liking, move to a country were your money is more influential.



I don't need a pinhead explanation of what I already know, but thanks anyway!

Spoken like a true willfully ignorant neocon blowhard!

My fucking dog could do it better than YOU could, chicklet! Again... I don't need your links... the case has been heard, and it will be a LONG ass time before the SCOTUS hears it again! In the meantime, you just keep on railing against free speech! I think you are literally BURYING your party permanently. Kudos!

Once again, you brag about being willfully ignorant. As I've demonstrated above, your "logic" has no bearing on the real world, and your dubious claim of a businessman is laughable at best. Well, continue in your ignorant bliss...I for one will wait and see if Obama and the Dems will actually use their legal prowess and powers to curtail this mess.
 
You've just shown everone that you're incapable of being able to thoughtfully or intullectually refute his post; so instead you attack and try to divert the attention from yourself.

You must love pain, to keep having your ass kicked so many times.

:palm: Read posts #309 & #310, genius......then waste time and space denying everything there....just like Bravo and Dixie.

It's truly comical how you three clowns just keep avoiding, lying and denying everything I post...like it will magically go away. You're next post will just be dodgy blathering, generalities and attempted mocking, but it won't discuss ONE SPECIFIC item or point of the two posts I cite....just proves what an empty suit you are Tempie. Carry on.
 
YOU INTELLECTUALLY BANKRUPT COWARD!

Unlike you, whenever I'm presented with source material, I READ IT. That way, I know what I'm talking about if I agree or disagree with the author(s) and what they are saying.

Willfully ignorant neocon numbskulls like yourself just attack the IDEA of the authors, and NOT the content of what they have to say....you do this because you CANNOT logically and factually defend your beliefs. Hell, you're so dense I had to school you on the definition of a word that you continuously misused. :palm:

You're done!

I don't need to read lefty crap linked by you to know its partisan crap...and I don't need to read opinions of Arabs on US politics to say I don't give a shit what their opinions are...

I don't need to study Hitler to know he was a fuckin' monster or read Stalins diary to know he was an insane murderer of millions....I don't even have to exposed myself to any more of your far left rants to know your a complete asshole and racist, incapable of civil, honest debate...
 
I don't need to read lefty crap linked by you to know its partisan crap...and I don't need to read opinions of Arabs on US politics to say I don't give a shit what their opinions are...

I don't need to study Hitler to know he was a fuckin' monster or read Stalins diary to know he was an insane murderer of millions....I don't even have to exposed myself to any more of your far left rants to know your a complete asshole and racist, incapable of civil, honest debate...


The Basis for Bravo's argument:


"I don't need to read......"

:palm: Fucking sad.
 
:palm: Read posts #309 & #310, genius......then waste time and space denying everything there....just like Bravo and Dixie.

It's truly comical how you three clowns just keep avoiding, lying and denying everything I post...like it will magically go away. You're next post will just be dodgy blathering, generalities and attempted mocking, but it won't discuss ONE SPECIFIC item or point of the two posts I cite....just proves what an empty suit you are Tempie. Carry on.

Is everyone following along ?

For the first 296 posts, TCclarable, argues that the SC decision was a flawed decision....ranting it wasn't about the First Amendment but about the Fourteenth ? After a drubbing ...he attempts to change the subject to the "ramifications' of the SC decision in post 297....

No one attempted to deny there would be ramifications, but that doesn't deter the lunatic....

Hes advised to start a new thread if he wants to debate the "ramifications"

He suggests reading post 309 and 310...thats a good idea...

Then I suggest 311 and 313 to finish the comedy....


 
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