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They simply refuse to accept what they see with their own eyes.


Oregon Militant’s Family Doesn’t Believe He Had A Gun


On January 29, the family of LaVoy Finicum released a three page statement questioning the FBI’s narrative of his death. While there’s no doubt Finicum’s family would like to remember him as a ‘hero’ and a ‘martyr,’ the difference between what actually happened and the fantasy-filled version of events outlined in the statement is both sad and scary.

LaVoy Finicum was a member of an armed group of militants who seized control of Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Harney County, Oregon earlier this month.

On January 26, more than three weeks after the group first seized control of the federal property, authorities apprehended seven of the militiamen. Finicum was shot by FBI agents after he reached for a weapon, while attempting to escape arrest.

Video of the shooting, taken from a helicopter which hoovered above the scene, was released by the FBI a short time after Finicum was shot.

The video evidence destroys the narrative being pressed by right-wing extremists, who claimed Finicum was ‘gunned down in cold blood, while on his knees, with his hands in the air.’

Thanks to The Oregonian, we can see exactly what happened in the moments leading up to LaVoy Finicum’s death.

The video below shows the crucial moments from the FBI’s footage slowed down and magnified. There is no doubt that Finicum went for a gun.

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Finicum’s single ‘moment in the sun’ came earlier this month, when he was interviewed by MSNBC’s Tony Dokoupil at the Malheur refuge.

During the interview, an armed Finicum told Dokoupil that he had no intention of allowing authorities to arrest him. Watch the interview here.

In spite of an overwhelming amount of evidence to the contrary, the three page statement released by the family of LaVoy Finicum attempts to portray Finicum as an innocent victim of the evil government. They blame everyone except the criminals – from the FBI to Oregon governor Kate Brown – for Finicum’s death.

The family claims that authorities were ‘not patient enough’ with the militants. That’s in spite of the fact that the armed group was allowed to remain at the refuge, unimpeded, for nearly a month. Over that time period, they were given warning after warning, and provided with every opportunity to leave. They continued to break the law and threaten the community.

The statement also claims that a “peaceful solution was in the works.”

“The first observation is that from what we understand, the occupation was on track toward a peaceful resolution. LaVoy and those he was with were en route to a public meeting in an adjoining county when they were stopped in something far different than a“routine traffic stop,” as has been portrayed by the media. Unfortunately, the powers that be were not interested in being patient enough for the occupation to come to a peaceful end.”

Again, the truth contradicts this statement.

In this video, posted to his own YouTube account on January 22, Finicum assured his followers that the group was not “getting ready to capitulate.” He went on to say “Rest assured, we are not getting ready to leave,” and “for those of you who are worried that we are about ready to negotiate with the FBI, that is not the case. That is not going to happen.”


The militants were also not on their way to any ordinary public meeting when they were apprehended by the FBI. They were on their way to hold a secretive mock trial of public officials, known within the sovereign citizens movement as a Citizen’s Grand Jury. In other words, the threat the group presented to the residents of Harney County was escalating, not ‘being resolved’ as the statement claims.

But of all the fantasy-based ideas presented in the letter, the one that stands out the most is this:

“The FBI claims that LaVoy had a loaded firearm in an inside pocket of his coat. After re-reviewing the extended video, at this point we are not accepting at face value the FBI’s statement that LaVoy was actually armed.”

At no point during the group’s occupation of the Federal Wildlife Refuge was LaVoy Finicum not armed.

He holstered a .45 caliber pistol to his side and slept with a shotgun on his lap.

We know from his own public statements that he had no intention of being arrested alive.

While Finicum’s family is undoubtedly grieving his loss, the facts remain unchanged. The man was neither a martyr, a hero nor an innocent victim. He was not killed in cold blood by the FBI.

Oregon Militant’s Family Doesn’t Believe He Had A Gun
 
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Sort of like when those blacks get killed by cops with a gun in their hand and the family comes out on national TV and said he never had a gun, but yet you don't believe the police when that happens to a colored, why?
 
Sort of like when those blacks get killed by cops with a gun in their hand and the family comes out on national TV and said he never had a gun, but yet you don't believe the police when that happens to a colored, why?


Sorry but no, NOTHING like that at all.
 
In Racist X's "scenario", no one saw a gun but the police.

From the video in the OP, it's CLEAR that Finicum had a gun in his hand when he was shot.

you must have superman like vision, because I saw that same video and the only thing that was CLEAR in that entire video was that he was shot as he moved his hands down. If you have a video that CLEARLY shows he had a gun in his hand, maybe you could share it with the board.
 
you must have superman like vision, because I saw that same video and the only thing that was CLEAR in that entire video was that he was shot as he moved his hands down. If you have a video that CLEARLY shows he had a gun in his hand, maybe you could share it with the board.

Why waste my time?

I certainly don't expect honesty from the guy who claims every cop everywhere in the USA is a dirty cop.
 
Believe what you like.

For instance, I bet you believe the already discredited nonsense of this "eyewitness".
you're certainly free to believe all the nonsensical bullshit that you do as well, however, instead of knee jerk spouting off non factual crap because of your mindless pro supercop heroes, you might want to recheck the threads and take note that never did I discredit 'eyewitnesses. my very righteous anger was delivered to you bloodthirsty fucktards who celebrated the death of a person merely because you didn't like his politics.
 
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