We were told extending unemployment was the best way to stimulate the economy

[Timshel]

SS has been modified (permanently) so that ALL those who contribute to SS would draw from it. So you are incorrect.

My boy Bush and Scott???

LMAO... ok, come back when you want to have an actual discussion. If you are simply going to toss nonsense like a monkey flinging poo, then you are wasting my time.

Weak

You were discussing the original intent of UI. Now you change gears and discuss the MODIFIED status of SS. So they are modifying UI. So?

Yes, Bush and Scott never cared about cleaning up the voting roles. They use statistical analysis to eliminate certain segments of the population from voting roles. Your friends do the same in trying to protect/eliminate SOME forms of government support. The motives are cynical and clear.

 

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Weak

You were discussing the original intent of UI. Now you change gears and discuss the MODIFIED status of SS. So they are modifying UI. So?

1) I was discussing how UI works as of TODAY.
2) Social Security changes were permanent and I was talking about how SS worked TODAY.
3) I was not drawing a comparison between UI and SS, thus I did not 'change gears'. You tried to toss in SS into the discussion, not me. I answered your questions on it all the same.

Yes, Bush and Scott never cared about cleaning up the voting roles. They use statistical analysis to eliminate certain segments of the population from voting roles. Your friends do the same in trying to protect/eliminate SOME forms of government support. The motives are cynical and clear.

What the fuck do Bush and Scott have to do with ANYTHING I posted? As I stated, if you are simply going to be a monkey flinging poo, then you offer little to the board.

 

[Timshel]

1) I was discussing how UI works as of TODAY.
2) Social Security changes were permanent and I was talking about how SS worked TODAY.
3) I was not drawing a comparison between UI and SS, thus I did not 'change gears'. You tried to toss in SS into the discussion, not me. I answered your questions on it all the same.

What the fuck do Bush and Scott have to do with ANYTHING I posted? As I stated, if you are simply going to be a monkey flinging poo, then you offer little to the board.

You referenced UI original intent.

Both SS and UI were part of my original point which you attempted to counter and failed.

Bush and Scott have revealed the GOP as unprincipled and cynical bunch of manipulative sobs who only care about winning. They don't care about reducing the size and scope of government. They are betting on old white male heterosexual believers and hoping they can fool enough useful idiots to win.

 

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We paid into it, now you want to take it away from us?

I would like to know, since we pay into unemployment insurance through payroll deductions, why isn't it untouchable like SS? According to the idiotic propaganda of two faced right wingers, it is not an entitlement program or it's not a government SERVICE or whatever weasel words you want to use today.

Go back and reread the OP. Apparently you have the reading comprehension of a Chicago public school 8th grader. I didn't say anything about taking it away. I said we were promised economic growth from expanding it to 99 weeks. Where is the growth?

Lastly you are woefully misinformed, you do not pay directly into unemployment, the employer does. It does = a part of your compensation in a certain sense, but it is not as you claim paid through payroll taxes.

What is sad is that your fellow libs are watching you take this epic beatdown and stand by and do nothing to help you. What a dumb fuck you are

 

[Timshel]

Go back and reread the OP. Apparently you have the reading comprehension of a Chicago public school 8th grader. I didn't say anything about taking it away. I said we were promised economic growth from expanding it to 99 weeks. Where is the growth?

Lastly you are woefully misinformed, you do not pay directly into unemployment, the employer does. It does = a part of your compensation in a certain sense, but it is not as you claim paid through payroll taxes.

What is sad is that your fellow libs are watching you take this epic beatdown and stand by and do nothing to help you. What a dumb fuck you are

Was not talking to you troll. Calling out the proles. I am not a Democrat. Liberal, absolutely!

 

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Was not talking to you troll. Calling out the proles. I am not a Democrat. Liberal, absolutely!

Care to concede that you were wrong about unemployment insurance?

It is my thread I will respond whenever i Allah damned feel like it

 

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You referenced UI original intent.

No, I addressed how UI is set up as of TODAY. That is your problem. It is not designed to go in perpetuity.

Both SS and UI were part of my original point which you attempted to counter and failed.

LOL... I did not fail, you simply failed to understand what was written. I can correct a portion of your post without addressing it in its entirety. When you then asked for clarification I told you why they were different. You still have yet to grasp that.

Bush and Scott have revealed the GOP as unprincipled and cynical bunch of manipulative sobs who only care about winning. They don't care about reducing the size and scope of government. They are betting on old white male heterosexual believers and hoping they can fool enough useful idiots to win.

Again, you are just a monkey flinging poo... I could care less about Bush or Scott... as I have state many times, Bush was a complete failure fiscally. I don't live in FL so I fail to see why you continue throwing up his name. He has nothing to do with those of us in CO. Now stopping throwing your poo and try to discuss the actual issues.

 

[Timshel]

unemployment was never meant to run in perpetuity. That is why they have had to continue passing extensions.

It was not designed to run in perpetuity because that takes away the motivation to find a job. If you know you have six months to find something, you either find something or end up on welfare. if you know the government is going to continue sending you money as long as you are 'looking' you don't have the same incentive to take a new job.

You referenced it's original intentions. This opened the door to SS original intent. Apples to apples. Not your shell games.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

No, it is paid through payroll taxes and is part of your total compensation.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_pays_unemployment_insurance_benefits

Unemployment Payments and the Law
Each state pays its unemployed workers from the pool of unemployment taxes it collected from employers, based on their number of employees and their turnover history. The formulae is different for each state.

I hate being right all the time.

 

[Timshel]

Now, why is it okay to retroactively alter SS until it does not serve it's original purpose of serving as OLD AGE INSURANCE while covering current recipients who paid into that system as if they had paid into a pension (that was subsequently raided at the request of current recipients) rather than a ponzi scheme, but it is not okay to alter UI?

And the REAL answer is...

Because, the GOP hopes to attract these old farts who think they have a right to enslave their grandchildren and don't give a damn how it hurts younger generations. They tell them that the real problem is homosexuals and brown people, which reaffirms what they "knew all along." They tell them this by yelling into their sonic ear or sending out spam about how the young people just need to work harder and stop playing with technology. This gets the GOP base riled up until their pacemakers kick in and they are encouraged to take their scooters down to community center. Just hope they can read the ballot this time (damn those kids and their gadgets). Tell, Paul Ryan.... shhhhhh!

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SS/Medicare are bankrupt. Who is to blame for that? Current and near term recipients are certainly more to blame than those who don't even have the right to vote yet.

 

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You referenced it's original intentions. This opened the door to SS original intent. Apples to apples. Not your shell games.

Again little monkey... I did not. I stated how it was designed, the original design is the same as the current design... it has not changed. Which again little monkey is why Congress has to keep passing temporary extensions to it. No such thing is required of SS. That dear little monkey is why they are different. Hopefully you will grasp the concept this time dear little monkey. Your poo flinging is getting old.

 

[Timshel]

Again little monkey... I did not. I stated how it was designed, the original design is the same as the current design... it has not changed. Which again little monkey is why Congress has to keep passing temporary extensions to it. No such thing is required of SS. That dear little monkey is why they are different. Hopefully you will grasp the concept this time dear little monkey. Your poo flinging is getting old.

Yes, temporary extensions are required of SS. The "fixes" have never been anything more than temporary and either they will do something to actually address the long term problems, they will temporarily "fix" it again or benefits will be reduced, as is specified in the laws/regulations governing the program.

The difference that you claim makes it fundamentally different is nothing but hogwash. They are applying temporary solutions to UI and hoping that another bubble will save everyone. Likewise, Republicans hope that another bubble will allow them to kick the can down the road on SS/Medicare.

The problems that extensions to UI are meant to cover CAN easily be fixed with an economic turnaround (though there is none in sight). The problems with SS/Medicare.... ehhhh nope. Delaying the inevitable is only going to make it more painful.

 

[Timshel]

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_pays_unemployment_insurance_benefits



I hate being right all the time.

But you are not and nothing in your source has proven you so. UI is a payroll tax and part of your total compensation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payroll

Payroll taxes in U.S

Before considering the payroll taxes we need to talk about the Basic Formula for the Net Pay. Basically from gross pay is subtracted one or more deductions to arrive at the Net Pay. In fact Employee's gross pay (pay rate times number of hours worked, including any over time) minus payroll tax deductions, minus voluntary payroll deductions, is equal to Net Pay. As you can see payroll tax deductions play a critical role and just because they are provided by law we can call them Statutory payroll tax deductions.

The employer must withhold payroll taxes from an employee's check and hand them over to several tax agencies by law. Payroll taxes include:

Federal income tax withholding, based on withholding tables in "Publication 15, Employer's Tax Guide"[2] by Internal Revenue Service - IRS;
Social Security tax withholding.[3] The employee pays 6.2 percent of the salary or wage, up to 110,100 (as of 2012). The employer also pays 6.2 percent in Social Security taxes. If you are self-employed, you pay the combined employee and employer amount of 12.4 percent in Social Security taxes on your net earnings;
Medicare tax.[4] The employee pays 1.45 percent in Medicare taxes on the entire salary or wage. The employer also pays 1.45 percent in Medicare taxes. If you are self-employed, you pay the combined employee and employer amount of 2.9 percent in Medicare taxes on your net earnings;
State income tax withholding;
various local tax withholding, such as city taxes, county taxes, school taxes, state disability, and unemployment insurance.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

But you are not and nothing in your source has proven you so. UI is a payroll tax and part of your total compensation.

sorry, but you're wrong.

http://www.edd.ca.gov/unemployment/

The UI program is 100% funded by employers who pay taxes on wages paid to employees.

There are only 3 states that explicitly deduct UI taxes from employees pay. Alaska, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania. The other 47 states are taken from the employer.

 

[Timshel]

sorry, but you're wrong.

http://www.edd.ca.gov/unemployment/



There are only 3 states that explicitly deduct UI taxes from employees pay. Alaska, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania. The other 47 states are taken from the employer.

Great, you have done more reasearch than most now. Unfortunately, what you have returned with is not at all relevant.

It's a payroll tax and it is part of your total compensation, as I stated. We pay into it.

But let's argue it from your point of view... Are half of SS benefits welfare?

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Great, you have done more reasearch than most now. Unfortunately, what you have returned with is not at all relevant.

It's a payroll tax and it is part of your total compensation, as I stated. We pay into it.

But let's argue it from your point of view... Are half of SS benefits welfare?

i've never argued that SS is welfare, any part of it.

 

[Timshel]

i've never argued that SS is welfare, any part of it.

But unemployment insurance is?

This might not be what you have argued but was the point of my original post to which you and others responded. Some right wingers here want to have their cake and eat it too. That is, they want to complain about government aid given to certain groups but then demand that SS/Medicare is a fundamental right. It is not and they are not entitled to it any more than one is entitled to welfare or unemployment insurance.

SS is a form welfare. It is a transfer payment and no different than welfare or unemployment. The only difference is the demographics of the beneficiary. Republicans who champion it while denouncing aid to the poor and young are nothing but cynical and unprinicpled douchebags.

We are always going to have a social safety net. We can easily afford to carry the truly needy. We can even carry Mitt Romney's immigrant father for a short period (see last night's Daily Show) giving him the opportunity to achieve great things.

We cannot afford to excessively tax poor young people for the benefit of rich old people. If we do not address SS/Medicare soon the burdens will destroy us. Such programs will annihilate the economic mobility that drives our economy. It will lead to stagnation and income disparity. It is not AT ALL a hallmark of free market economics.

 

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If you collec more from Socialist inSecurity than you paid in then it is welfare. Personally I won't need it do I don't give a fuck

 

[Timshel]

If you collec more from Socialist inSecurity than you paid in then it is welfare. Personally I won't need it do I don't give a fuck

So then you are going to give all yours back?

You have indicated a somewhat more even position than some, but your definition is still unworkable. It's a form of welfare. No two ways about it. It does not matter what you paid into it, that money was already consumed inyour name. We could us the same rational to argue that a working man is entitled to 100% of the income taxes he has paid in before Unemplyment Insurance becomes welfare or Welfare becomes welfare.

There is no viable way the government could have created any SS system that would not have been welfare. They could have forced people to invest but how would that be any better than ObamaCare or any less hazardous?

We are never going to get rid of the social safety net. We need to get the rich people off the dole. Aid to the poor is nothing.

 

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So then you are going to give all yours back?

You have indicated a somewhat more even position than some, but your definition is still unworkable. It's a form of welfare. No two ways about it. It does not matter what you paid into it, that money was already consumed inyour name. We could us the same rational to argue that a working man is entitled to 100% of the income taxes he has paid in before Unemplyment Insurance becomes welfare or Welfare becomes welfare.

There is no viable way the government could have created any SS system that would not have been welfare. They could have forced people to invest but how would that be any better than ObamaCare or any less hazardous?

We are never going to get rid of the social safety net. We need to get the rich people off the dole. Aid to the poor is nothing.

There is nothing to give back. I just won't sign up. Yes it is welfare. No two ways about it. It should have never been started but I can't put that genie back in the bottle. People are wetting their pants over who wins this election but it doesn't matter a whit except for one thing and is how quickly we come crashing down as a country. If Maobama wins we don't have more than 5-10 years. Romney wins, maybe 20. The trajectory is set and there isn't much anyone can do about it.

It isn't a matter of liberal vs conservatives or republicans vs democrats. It is a matter of math. There is no magic fairy dust. The politicians will keep kicking the can down the road until there is no more road. I am always amused by pollsters asking voters "does this candidate care about you". If you worry about a politician caring about you, you are a fucking loser.

If you think you can give the gobblement your money and magically get more back, you are an idiot of monumental proportions.

Personally I am prepared for doomsday. But, I could always be more prepared. I have food, water, electricity and heat. If other people want to keep their heads in the sand then I say fuck em.