He wound up elsewhere.
We need to replace every scum sucking pig that voted against this bill.
12 republicans crossed the aisle for and 4 dems crossed the aisle against.
The dems set up the bill to fail on purpose dork.
"If Democrats brought it to the floor as a regular bill, it would pass with majority support, King said."
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unless the party of no decided to filibuster or add unacceptable amendments
Then it would be the dems saying no? The point is that dems knew by requiring a 2/3 majority on a 7 1/2 billion dollar bill in order to avoid discussion and amendment, the bill would fail. They were also accutely aware of the pending legal settelment.
The bill itself, like all of these bills, is full of amiguous language, cretates volumes of red tape designed to waste money and comes at a time where economic strain demands fiscal intelligence...it deserved an appearance on the floor.
How do you know what you claim the Democrats "knew?" It seems entirely plausible that the Democrats figured that few Republicans would actually vote against a bill to provide for people that got sick cleaning up at Ground Zero.
Now, I'm not saying the Democrats should not have followed normal procedures, but it isn't entirely crazy to think that enough Republicans would vote in favor of the bill notwithstanding their reservations.
It did appear on the floor. It failed.
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While using "Democrat" and "know" in the same sentence is a bit oxymoronic, it is most likely the Whip knew at all times, what a vote count would be. Since that's kinda what they do. I agree, it wasn't entirely crazy to think, but for Democrats, it's always highly unlikely they did.
Uhm, for future reference, the Republicans are not going to vote to fund ANY Democratic bill which involves health care. It doesn't matter if you want to provide it for blind, crippled orphans, if your idiocy is going to be funded by our tax dollars, the Republicans are going to oppose it.
So, go back to the drawing board... Find another emotive subject for our compassion, and forge another spending bill to basically pay off your cronies with our tax dollars, and let's watch it get shot down as well! We've got time for a few more of these before November, it ain't like you have some big monstrosity of a bill to pass on Climate Change anymore!
I'm old enough to remember the days when the workers at Ground Zero were all-American heroes, not "cronies."
And the Climate Change bill already passed the House. No need to pass it there again unless the Senate passes it, which it won't.
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And I am old enough to remember the days a politician would have never used heroes to play on our emotions for political gain, it would have been unheard of! We already know the Democrats have a rich history of bills that claim to do one thing, but end up doing the exact opposite... Like the "Economic Recovery Act" or "Stimulus" bill... Virtually no new jobs were created, unless you count the few research job at Wake Forrest, where they got $750k to study the effects of cocaine on chimps, or the few IT jobs at UNC, where they got $750k to develop a DanceTube for the Internet. Or like "Health Care Reform" which was supposed to provide full health care to every American (including heroes), but actually ends up costing us more for health care, with less quality and availability for all.
So you guys go ahead and roll out the "Help Poor Lost Fuzzy Kittens Act" and run around whining and crying about the mean heartless Republicans who don't care about poor lost fuzzy kittens, because they won't pass your spending bill! I'm sure there are plenty of really stupid and clueless fuzzy kitten lovers out there, and you can probably fool some of them into believing your nonsense!
It appeared for a vote, not for discussion. Using your prefered defense for the dems means that they are stupid and need to be replaced with more competent and intelligent legislators.
I agree with you that it was stupid for the Democrats to think that enough Republicans would vote for the bill (if that's what they were thinking). The Republicans aren't going to vote in favor of anything ever and assuming that they would act in good faith is a losing proposition every time.
You really are the hack everyone says you are.
A seven and half billion dollar bill DESERVED discussion! I skimmed the bill and saw the amiguity of much of the language...THAT is why bills go to the floor for discussion. You sound as irresponsible as your democrat cohorts.
The dems knew it would fail; they hoped to create the faux talking points that idgits just like you would repeat going into November.
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Sammy Jankis
Was it me?
A lot of legislators laugh at the idea of reading bills.
And what pray-tell do you consider yourself?
The Republicans didn't care about discussion. They just wanted to gum up the works, slow shit down so that they could vote against the bill after days of nonsense where nothing would get done at all. If you think this was all about "discussion" I've got a bridge for sale that you might be interested in purchasing.
Well, if that was the Democrats' plan it seems to have worked. Thanks, Republicans!
I am not the hack your knee jerk responses show you to be.
EVERY single member of congress SHOULD have wanted to discuss a seven and a half billion dollar bill! Members who did not- are/were acting irresponsible...
The talking points are so obvious and so typical that the public is not buying the bridge nigey.
Right, you're such a free-thinker.
That's all well and good in theory, but pretending that this was about "discussion" isn't very honest. The bill went through two committees and four subcommittee and two separate committee reports totaling 187 pages of analysis of the bill were issued. And that's just on the House side. It isn't as though some brand-new argument about the merits of the bill would suddenly pop up out of the ether during floor debate that would magically change anyone's mind.
It was all about delay, delay delay.
Whatever you say.
I know by what I say and how I approach an issue that I am more reasonable then you. You can't even admit when you are wrong nigey...Take the fact that you falsely accused me of making up that Sherrod had notified her superiors at the USDA about the breaking story 5 days before the controversey broke...just one example from my own experience with you.
The fact is the discussion would have required arguments on how it would be paid for. The Republicans had already discussed using the unspent TARP funds. Dems knew public discussion on using TARP funds would turn the public further against their irresponsible spending, while also reminding the public about the yet unspent funds....and more than that, would have afforded the Republican's an opportunity for bi-partisan cooperation right before the election.
Republican's have done the right thing in requiring deciding on how to pay for the bill, just like they were right wanting the unemployment extension paid for. Independents especially are paying attention to how irresponsible dems are being with tax payers money nigey, just look at the polls...so the dems can beat their faux drum, but they stand naked before the public and only partisan hacks such as yourself march to their beat.
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Yeah.... sux to be you, don't it?
Crashk
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At least you are willing to admit that the Republicon party cares more about power and profits than it does about the welfare of this country.
That's hilarious.
That's even more hilarious. Republicans engaging in bi-partisan cooperation. Good one.
And that's even more hilariouser. The bill was paid for through closing a tax loophole on US subsidiaries of foreign corporations.