We MUST FIGHT BACK to SAVE OUR DEMOCRACY!!!!!!!!

A republic is NOT a democracy, Richard. They are two completely different forms of government.
No. They aren't as evidenced by the fact that many countries in the world are both Republics and democracies.
There are some countries that are republics that are not democracies.

Of course if Trump and people like you have your way the US will cease to be a democracy and likely cease to be a republic.
 
No. They aren't as evidenced by the fact that many countries in the world are both Republics and democracies.
There are some countries that are republics that are not democracies.

Of course if Trump and people like you have your way the US will cease to be a democracy and likely cease to be a republic.
Sure. And the water coming out of your faucet is both pure water and sewer water. A little advice? Quit drinking that water.

A democracy has always been rule by the people.
A republic has always been ruled by elected representatives.

This is the problem with people like you getting your education from Google. News flash! Google has an agenda!
 
You don't understand what a democracy is do you? Of course you don't. None of you idiots do. You use it as a catch phrase but have no clue what it means. I started a thread a bit this very topic and not one looney leftist has attempted an answer. It speaks volumes about the dearth of you intelligence.
You don't understand what adjectives are, do you?
The US is a representative democracy.

Is an oak tree not an oak because it is a tree?

A couple of questions for you: Is it a democracy if leaders are elected? Is it a democracy if only some people can vote on issues?
 
No. They aren't as evidenced by the fact that many countries in the world are both Republics and democracies.
NONE of both. They are completely different forms of government.
There are some countries that are republics that are not democracies.
Yup. The USA is one of them.
Of course if Trump and people like you have your way the US will cease to be a democracy and likely cease to be a republic.
The US has never been a democracy; it has always been a republic.

How about you stop this diversion of my thread and answer the question that I asked in my original post... Why aren't the Democrat-controlled states collaboratively gerrymandering their congressional districts to offset what the Republican-controlled states are doing? Besides California, who is really joining in to "fight back"? If none or hardly anyone, why is that?
 
Sure. And the water coming out of your faucet is both pure water and sewer water. A little advice? Quit drinking that water.
Both sewer water and pure water are water. It seems you are too stupid to understand that. Just because they have other impurities in them doesn't mean they are no longer water.
A democracy has always been rule by the people.
A republic has always been ruled by elected representatives.
So, it isn't a democracy if leaders are elected? Is that your position? It appears you are claiming Athens was never a democracy.
Republics have not always been ruled by elected representatives. Iran, China and Russia are all republics. Are the leaders there elected by the people?
This is the problem with people like you getting your education from Google. News flash! Google has an agenda!
News flash - I don't get my information from Google. I got it from history books probably long before idiots like you were born.

"democracy is worth dying for, because it's the most deeply honorable form of government ever devised by man." Ronald Reagan

"In vain they seek to hide behind the flag and the Constitution. In their blindness they forget what the flag and the Constitution stand for. Now, as always, they stand for democracy, not tyranny; for freedom, not subjection; and against a dictatorship by mob rule and the over-privileged alike."
Franklin D. Roosevelt
 
NONE of both. They are completely different forms of government.

Yup. The USA is one of them.

The US has never been a democracy; it has always been a republic.

How about you stop this diversion of my thread and answer the question that I asked in my original post... Why aren't the Democrat-controlled states collaboratively gerrymandering their congressional districts to offset what the Republican-controlled states are doing? Besides California, who is really joining in to "fight back"? If none or hardly anyone, why is that?
Ok. I'll bite. Name one country in the world that is a democracy based on your definition.
 
How about you stop this diversion of my thread and answer the question that I asked in my original post... Why aren't the Democrat-controlled states collaboratively gerrymandering their congressional districts to offset what the Republican-controlled states are doing? Besides California, who is really joining in to "fight back"? If none or hardly anyone, why is that?
Maybe you need to get out of your cult bubble. NY and IL have both talked about gerrymandering to eliminate GOP seats in response.
Of the other states controlled by Democrats, the vast of them have less than 10 US House seats.

Now that I have answered, tell us why you act like a child when asking the question.
 
You don't understand what adjectives are, do you?
The US is a representative democracy.

Is an oak tree not an oak because it is a tree?

A couple of questions for you: Is it a democracy if leaders are elected? Is it a democracy if only some people can vote on issues?
It's actually a representative republic that uses principles of democracy.

Elizabeth Willing Powell asked Benjamin Franklin, "Well doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?" Franklin didn't answer, "A democracy" dipshit

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the democracy for which I stands...." Is that how it goes?

Fucking retard
 
It's actually a representative republic that uses principles of democracy.

Elizabeth Willing Powell asked Benjamin Franklin, "Well doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?" Franklin didn't answer, "A democracy" dipshit

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the democracy for which I stands...." Is that how it goes?

Fucking retard
ROFLMAO....
I asked my arborist about the tree in my back yard and he said "An oak if you can keep it." According to your idiotic thinking that would no longer be a tree in my back yard. (By the way a democracy is NOT a monarchy which is the other option Franklin was given.)

I guess Reagan is a retard according to you. But here is a retard you know and worship well since you belong to his cult.

"More than any country in history we’ve made gains toward a democracy that is enviable throughout the world." Donald Trump in Lacey Rose interview

"This election will determine whether we’re a free nation or whether we have only the illusion of democracy but are in fact controlled by a small handful of global special interests rigging the system, and our system is rigged." Donald Trump to Rush Limbaugh

"This is about our democracy and the sacred rights that generations of Americans have fought, bled, and died to secure." Donald Trump

"Every time voter fraud occurs, it cancels out the vote of a lawful citizen, and undermines democracy." Donald Trump

"Nothing threatens the integrity of our Democracy more than when government officials put their public office up for sale." Donald Trump
 
ROFLMAO....
I asked my arborist about the tree in my back yard and he said "An oak if you can keep it." According to your idiotic thinking that would no longer be a tree in my back yard. (By the way a democracy is NOT a monarchy which is the other option Franklin was given.)

I guess Reagan is a retard according to you. But here is a retard you know and worship well since you belong to his cult.

"More than any country in history we’ve made gains toward a democracy that is enviable throughout the world." Donald Trump in Lacey Rose interview

"This election will determine whether we’re a free nation or whether we have only the illusion of democracy but are in fact controlled by a small handful of global special interests rigging the system, and our system is rigged." Donald Trump to Rush Limbaugh

"This is about our democracy and the sacred rights that generations of Americans have fought, bled, and died to secure." Donald Trump

"Every time voter fraud occurs, it cancels out the vote of a lawful citizen, and undermines democracy." Donald Trump

"Nothing threatens the integrity of our Democracy more than when government officials put their public office up for sale." Donald Trump
You can whine all fucking day skippy, America isn't a democracy. Did you vote for or against the big beautiful bill?
 
You can whine all fucking day skippy, America isn't a democracy. Did you vote for or against the big beautiful bill?
ROFLMAO. I am not the one whining. I am simply pointing out you are an idiot.
I voted for a representative to do the work and vote for or against legislation. That little thing called a democratic republic and how it works in a representative democracy.

Is today the day cult members get to ignore the words of the cult leader? Or is it opposite day where you can call the man you worship a fucking retard and we all know you really mean you want to get on your knees in front of him?
 
Maybe you need to get out of your cult bubble. NY and IL have both talked about gerrymandering to eliminate GOP seats in response.
NY cannot redistrict until after the 2026 midterms, so they are irrelevant for that cycle. They also have very few opportunities left that they haven't already gerrymandered their way. Illinois has likewise already gerrymandered the shit out of their state, so can they really squeeze out one or two more seats than they've already gerrymandered their way?
Of the other states controlled by Democrats, the vast of them have less than 10 US House seats.
Irrelevant. Most of the Republican-controlled states that are now redistricting have less than 10 US House seats, yet they are still doing it and are (very likely) gaining house seats by doing so. Why can't the Democrat-controlled states likewise do it?
Now that I have answered, tell us why you act like a child when asking the question.
Because it's a battle that you will lose because you deny history.
 
NY cannot redistrict until after the 2026 midterms, so they are irrelevant for that cycle. They also have very few opportunities left that they haven't already gerrymandered their way. Illinois has likewise already gerrymandered the shit out of their state, so can they really squeeze out one or two more seats than they've already gerrymandered their way?
Thanks for confirming you are full of shit when you said they were doing nothing.
Irrelevant. Most of the Republican-controlled states that are now redistricting have less than 10 US House seats, yet they are still doing it and are (very likely) gaining house seats by doing so. Why can't the Democrat-controlled states likewise do it?
Which ones are those?
Because it's a battle that you will lose because you deny history.
I see you can't answer why you act like a child. But then I would expect that of a child.
 
Thanks for confirming you are full of shit when you said they were doing nothing.
Thanks for confirming you are illiterate when I clearly said that "Team Donkey has largely NOT been doing this". Do you know how the inclusion of that bolded word changes the meaning of that sentence?

I fully realize that there's an example of two out there, but BY AND LARGE they are not "retaliating" near as much as they need to "retaliate" in order to meaningfully negate what the Republicans are doing via redistricting. WHY AREN'T THEY DOING SO?

Hint: the answer requires knowledge of history.
Which ones are those?
Indiana, Missouri, Louisiana, Kansas

So, on the Democrat side: Why not Washington? Why not Oregon? Why not New Mexico? Why not Massachusetts? Why not Connecticut? Why not New Jersey?
I see you can't answer why you act like a child. But then I would expect that of a child.
I see you can't answer why you beat your wife. But then I would expect that of a wife beater.
 
Thanks for confirming you are illiterate when I clearly said that "Team Donkey has largely NOT been doing this". Do you know how the inclusion of that bolded word changes the meaning of that sentence?
LOL. Once again, you are so deep in the cult you reveal yourself to be stupid.
I fully realize that there's an example of two out there, but BY AND LARGE they are not "retaliating" near as much as they need to "retaliate" in order to meaningfully negate what the Republicans are doing via redistricting. WHY AREN'T THEY DOING SO?

Hint: the answer requires knowledge of history.

Indiana, Missouri, Louisiana, Kansas
Its interesting that the states that have historically violated the law when it comes to gerrymandering congressional districts now feel free to do so again.
So, on the Democrat side: Why not Washington? Why not Oregon? Why not New Mexico? Why not Massachusetts? Why not Connecticut? Why not New Jersey?
History seems to be something you have no knowledge of. In particular you have not clue what gerrymandering actually is.

But let's play your stupid game -
Why are so many GOP states not doing this? Why not North Dakota? Why not South Dakota? Why not Montana? Why not Wyoming? Why not Alaska? Why not West Virgina? Why not South Carolina? Why not Kentucky? Why not Indiana? Why not Ohio? Why not Nebraska? Why not Idaho?
I see you can't answer why you beat your wife. But then I would expect that of a wife beater.
Another example of cult behavior from you.
 
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LOL. Once again, you are so deep in the cult you reveal yourself to be stupid.
So you don't know. Got it.
Its interesting that the states that have historically violated the law when it comes to gerrymandering congressional districts now feel free to do so again.
:blah:
History seems to be something you have no knowledge of. In particular you have not clue what gerrymandering actually is.
This is YOUR issue, not mine.
But let's play your stupid game -
Why are so many GOP states not doing this? Why not North Dakota? Why not South Dakota? Why not Montana? Why not Wyoming? Why not Alaska? Why not West Virgina?
Because these states either already have all R representatives and/or they are already soooooo deep-red throughout the entire state that there's no possible way to gerrymander any lines in favor of Democrats.
Why not South Carolina?
Because SCOTUS has yet to overturn Section 2 of the "Voting Rights Act". Upon the overturn, they will redistrict and gain a seat for R's.
Why not Kentucky?
They have some obstacles to gerrymandering the final seat the R's way. It's not impossible, but rather difficult atm.
Why not Indiana?
They already ARE, unless Pence-RINOs stand in the way of it.
Why not Ohio?
They already are.
Why not Nebraska?
They could try to shore up the Omaha region for R's. Idk if they will or not.
Why not Idaho?
Same as WY & others.
Another example of cult behavior from you.
So, on the Democrat side: Why not Washington? Why not Oregon? Why not New Mexico? Why not Massachusetts? Why not Connecticut? Why not New Jersey?

Why can't Illinois do that much? Why can't New York do that much? Why can't Maryland do that much?

Answer: THEY'VE ALREADY GERRYMANDERED THE FUCK OUT OF THEIR STATES DECADES AGO!!!!!
They've already historically done it, but they deny their history and try to pretend that they are now "retaliating" to Texas who "just did it out of the blue".
 
You can whine all fucking day skippy, America isn't a democracy. Did you vote for or against the big beautiful bill?
It is a democracy.

It is a democratic Republic.

The people vote for representatives to vote for them.

But some of the assholes of the MAGA morons want to make the distinction.

All they make is the stink part of that.
 
So you don't know. Got it.

:blah:

This is YOUR issue, not mine.

Because these states either already have all R representatives and/or they are already soooooo deep-red throughout the entire state that there's no possible way to gerrymander any lines in favor of Democrats.

Because SCOTUS has yet to overturn Section 2 of the "Voting Rights Act". Upon the overturn, they will redistrict and gain a seat for R's.

They have some obstacles to gerrymandering the final seat the R's way. It's not impossible, but rather difficult atm.

They already ARE, unless Pence-RINOs stand in the way of it.

They already are.

They could try to shore up the Omaha region for R's. Idk if they will or not.

Same as WY & others.

So, on the Democrat side: Why not Washington? Why not Oregon? Why not New Mexico? Why not Massachusetts? Why not Connecticut? Why not New Jersey?

Why can't Illinois do that much? Why can't New York do that much? Why can't Maryland do that much?

Answer: THEY'VE ALREADY GERRYMANDERED THE FUCK OUT OF THEIR STATES DECADES AGO!!!!!
They've already historically done it, but they deny their history and try to pretend that they are now "retaliating" to Texas who "just did it out of the blue".
It's funny how think only blue states are gerrymandered while not understanding how gerrymandering actually works.
You excuse red states by claiming they are so red it allows the way their state's House delegation is all GOP but then complain about Blue states.
It's quite easy to look at districts in order to see what a gerrymander is. Ohio is gerrymandered. Maryland is not.

MD - 63% Dem vote for President. Maryland is not gerrymandered, if anything they worked to ensure there would be one GOP district by not cutting up the eastern part of the state.
OK - 66% GOP for President. They cut OK City into 3 parts to do 100% GOP districts.
TN - 64% GOP for President. They cut Nashville into 3 parts to prevent a blue district
 
It's funny how think only blue states are gerrymandered while not understanding how gerrymandering actually works.
I've said no such thing. My point is that R's still have many open opportunities to gerrymander their states meanwhile D's have already almost entirely used up their gerrymandering opportunities over the decades. Historically, D's have done it WAYYYY more than R's have, and now D's are trying to pretend that they've never historically done it and that they're just "retaliating" against Texas.

This is a war that they are going to LOSE (due to their insistence upon pretending rather than accepting reality).
You excuse red states by claiming they are so red it allows the way their state's House delegation is all GOP but then complain about Blue states.
It's quite easy to look at districts in order to see what a gerrymander is. Ohio is gerrymandered. Maryland is not.

MD - 63% Dem vote for President. Maryland is not gerrymandered, if anything they worked to ensure there would be one GOP district by not cutting up the eastern part of the state.
OK - 66% GOP for President. They cut OK City into 3 parts to do 100% GOP districts.
TN - 64% GOP for President. They cut Nashville into 3 parts to prevent a blue district
Yes, OK and TN have both done gerrymandering over the years (in fact, TN used to be gerrymandered in favor of D's, but you won't admit that). However, MD is gerrymandered too.

I can also go tit-for-tat on your two examples by picking two examples of my own: Illinois and New Mexico. The lower 2/3s of New Mexico is VERY red, but they recently purposely brought District 3 further down along the right side of the state (and District 1 more southward) in order to flip District 2 from R to D. Illinois purposely drew District 13 through the middle of the entire state, purposely and narrowly going through as many cities as possible along the way, in order to add another D district in an area that is otherwise VERY deep red. They're both VERY gerrymandered in favor of D's... R's should have a handful of seats just in those two states alone, but they don't thanks to D gerrymandering.

My larger point, though, is that R's historically haven't gerrymandered anywhere near to the extent that D's have historically gerrymandered. If D's want to fight a gerrymandering war, and if R's are willing to actually fight it, then R's will easily win it. D's don't stand a chance. Heck, Texas itself could still gerrymander another 5 seats towards R's if they really wanted to.

You know all this to be true, Richard. Read it and WEEP.
 
I've said no such thing. My point is that R's still have many open opportunities to gerrymander their states meanwhile D's have already almost entirely used up their gerrymandering opportunities over the decades. Historically, D's have done it WAYYYY more than R's have, and now D's are trying to pretend that they've never historically done it and that they're just "retaliating" against Texas.

This is a war that they are going to LOSE (due to their insistence upon pretending rather than accepting reality).

Yes, OK and TN have both done gerrymandering over the years (in fact, TN used to be gerrymandered in favor of D's, but you won't admit that). However, MD is gerrymandered too.

I can also go tit-for-tat on your two examples by picking two examples of my own: Illinois and New Mexico. The lower 2/3s of New Mexico is VERY red, but they recently purposely brought District 3 further down along the right side of the state (and District 1 more southward) in order to flip District 2 from R to D. Illinois purposely drew District 13 through the middle of the entire state, purposely and narrowly going through as many cities as possible along the way, in order to add another D district in an area that is otherwise VERY deep red. They're both VERY gerrymandered in favor of D's... R's should have a handful of seats just in those two states alone, but they don't thanks to D gerrymandering.

My larger point, though, is that R's historically haven't gerrymandered anywhere near to the extent that D's have historically gerrymandered. If D's want to fight a gerrymandering war, and if R's are willing to actually fight it, then R's will easily win it. D's don't stand a chance. Heck, Texas itself could still gerrymander another 5 seats towards R's if they really wanted to.

You know all this to be true, Richard. Read it and WEEP.
There is a silly thing called math and another silly thing called maps.

That is some funny stuff about New Mexico. It's almost like you don't understand the first thing about how congressional districts are to be formed.
The three largest metro areas in New Mexico make up over half of the population. That means they each have to be in a different congressional district. Then if we simply look at the history of the way the districts were drawn we see that the two largest cities have grown so much that they had to take on part of the third district to keep them equal in population.

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Based on the size of the counties, it wouldn't have made much difference if the first district when down the east side of the state of the west side of the state, the third district would still be dominated by Las Cruces.
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Then all the districts are fairly competitive. The third district had a win by the Democrat of only 52% of the vote.
 

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