"We keep marrying other species and ethnics " - Fox News Host

[LadyT]

Shut the fuck up or answer the goddamn question, moron! No one said what you just squawked, so why did you say it? Is this how your bigoted racist mind thinks? You just automatically jump to this conclusion when you read something about interracial marriage?

Black men have indeed married white women because they look at them as a "status symbol" and a white woman is of more "value" to them than a black woman.... THAT is a RACIST viewpoint! That is putting a higher value on one race than another, that is making a decision based on color of skin and from a prejudiced perspective. The point is, interracial marriage has absolutely NOTHING to do with RACISM! You can be a flaming racist and be married to someone not of your race! Likewise, you can have a religious conviction that God doesn't want or intend for different races to mix, and it not have a damn thing to do with how you personally feel about the status of different races. These are two entirely separate viewpoints, and you have conveniently lumped them together under the umbrella of racism!

The biggest problem we seem to be having is, your misinterpretation of what racism is. You have to begin with the proper definition of racism, to go any further. Racism is the belief that one race is superior or inferior to another. What you want to say is, racism can be anything seen as any differentiating based on race, and under that definition, virtually everything we say and do is racist, or can be made into a racist view. If you want to help poor black people... you are being racist, because you presume black people need help more than other races! Even if you just mention the fact that someone is black or someone else is white, that is racism by your definition, you have made a determination based on skin color. We can't go down that road, because it is impossible for us to live in a civilization together under those conditions.

People need to grow up and understand what RACISM means, and what IS racism as opposed to what's NOT racism. This petty bickering and complaining about stuff that isn't racist in the least, is getting us nowhere. Trying to see how many people you can label "racist" is doing nothing to combat true racist viewpoints in America, and you are actually standing in the way of progress in that regard. Rather than focusing your energy on speaking out against TRUE racism, you want to mire the debate in this silly ridiculous assertion which has ZERO validity. And to be honest, it's almost as if some of you do this INTENTIONALLY! Maybe it's designed to keep the heat off your own RACIST mentality?

blah blah blah blah blah.........so you're saying that you think their justification for being against interracial marriages is valid?

 

[LadyT]

The 1st amendment doesn't make any religious belief valid, idiot. The establishment clause says nothing of the sort.

Dixie's trying to divert the direction of the thread and create a strawman.
Pretending that any of this is related to the constitution is a moot point.
No one has advocated or recommended any kind government intervention. Yet here is rambling on about the 1st amendment.....

 

[ib1yysguy]

Dixie's trying to divert the direction of the thread and create a strawman.
Pretending that any of this is related to the constitution is a moot point.
No one has advocated or recommended any kind government intervention. Yet here is rambling on about the 1st amendment.....

The last, desperate refuge of people with terrible ideas (like being against interracial marriage) is the, "the constitution lets me believe it, so my point is valid!" argument.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Bringing up that point, doesn't make me a racist, nor does it mean I condone or support a view like those of certain religions do.[bold] It just means that I recognize people have valid reasons (and the right) to be personally opposed to interracial marriage, and not be branded a racist.[/bold] Now, you may not agree with my point, I don't really care if you do or not, I think it is valid. Believing it is wrong in the eyes of God to marry someone of another race, is not the same as belief that one race is superior or inferior. They are two entirely separate viewpoints, and you have morphed them together as one.

Well Dixie I'm glad you don't support Kilmeades moronic ramblings, I figured you probably didn't, but I do have to correct you here. There are no valid reasons to oppose interracial marriages, nor does anyone have the right to infringe on a free mans right to marry what ever woman he loves (and vice versa). They may have the right to believe what they want to but they do not have the right to infringe upon my or any other persons basic human rights. My point being, as long as they are consenting adults it's nobody's damned business whom they marry. To oppose interracial marriages, for any reason, including religeous reasons, is racist. Does your supporting someones right to believe what they want make you a racist? Of course it doesn't as long as you don't cross that line that infringes upon a free persons rights.

 

[Cypress]

Shut the fuck up or answer the goddamn question, moron! No one said what you just squawked, so why did you say it? Is this how your bigoted racist mind thinks? You just automatically jump to this conclusion when you read something about interracial marriage?

Black men have indeed married white women because they look at them as a "status symbol" and a white woman is of more "value" to them than a black woman.... THAT is a RACIST viewpoint! That is putting a higher value on one race than another, that is making a decision based on color of skin and from a prejudiced perspective. The point is, interracial marriage has absolutely NOTHING to do with RACISM! You can be a flaming racist and be married to someone not of your race! Likewise, you can have a religious conviction that God doesn't want or intend for different races to mix, and it not have a damn thing to do with how you personally feel about the status of different races. These are two entirely separate viewpoints, and you have conveniently lumped them together under the umbrella of racism!

The biggest problem we seem to be having is, your misinterpretation of what racism is. You have to begin with the proper definition of racism, to go any further. Racism is the belief that one race is superior or inferior to another. What you want to say is, racism can be anything seen as any differentiating based on race, and under that definition, virtually everything we say and do is racist, or can be made into a racist view. If you want to help poor black people... you are being racist, because you presume black people need help more than other races! Even if you just mention the fact that someone is black or someone else is white, that is racism by your definition, you have made a determination based on skin color. We can't go down that road, because it is impossible for us to live in a civilization together under those conditions.

People need to grow up and understand what RACISM means, and what IS racism as opposed to what's NOT racism. This petty bickering and complaining about stuff that isn't racist in the least, is getting us nowhere. Trying to see how many people you can label "racist" is doing nothing to combat true racist viewpoints in America, and you are actually standing in the way of progress in that regard. Rather than focusing your energy on speaking out against TRUE racism, you want to mire the debate in this silly ridiculous assertion which has ZERO validity. And to be honest, it's almost as if some of you do this INTENTIONALLY! Maybe it's designed to keep the heat off your own RACIST mentality?

I don't know if you're a klansman.

I do know you're racially insenstive at best. And you are an enabler of racism at worst.

dude, your avatar is a conferderate flag. That flag is inflammatory. Do you think people of color appreciate having a confederate flag waved in their face? Its a symbol of slavery, and its been used to itimidate blacks.

Do you think jews like having a swastika waved in their face?


I've seen you defend the confederacy, and display empathy for the confederates. I've seen you make the argument against inter racial dating, based on biblical principles. I've seen you make the arguments against the MLK holiday. You claimed you were just "reporting" what other racists think, you didn't hold those views yourself.

It very curious how you became such an expert on the nuance of racist arguments. I have a hard time believing you became such an expert through mere innocent research. I think you immersed yourself in all those racist arguments. Or at a minimum, you surrounded your self with people and literature who espoused it. The fact that you worship the confederate flag and that you honor the confederacy tells me it probably the latter case.


The sad thing is I don't even think you recognize your racial insensitivity. But your a republican. I don't think you dudes will ever really understand why your party is overwhelmingly white. A party that minorities, broadly speaking, reject with extreme prejudice.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

The 1st amendment doesn't make any religious belief valid, idiot. The establishment clause says nothing of the sort.

It says Congress can make no law infringing on the free exercise of religion. I have not argued that it should make a religious belief valid, that is the argument you wish I would make, so you could have a point, but I haven't gone there. Sorry!

It is your right under the Constitution, to have whatever religious belief you want to have, and the government can't take that away from you. If people believe religiously, that God doesn't want them to intermarry other races of people, that is not something government can force them to do, and they don't have to accept it or condone it. They have that right, regardless of whether I agree with them or not, regardless of what invalid labels you want to apply to them.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Well Dixie I'm glad you don't support Kilmeades moronic ramblings, I figured you probably didn't, but I do have to correct you here. There are no valid reasons to oppose interracial marriages, nor does anyone have the right to infringe on a free mans right to marry what ever woman he loves (and vice versa). They may have the right to believe what they want to but they do not have the right to infringe upon my or any other persons basic human rights. My point being, as long as they are consenting adults it's nobody's damned business whom they marry. To oppose interracial marriages, for any reason, including religeous reasons, is racist. Does your supporting someones right to believe what they want make you a racist? Of course it doesn't as long as you don't cross that line that infringes upon a free persons rights.

Well, we disagree. I think opposing interracial marriage doesn't automatically make you a racist any more than opposing welfare or affirmative action. Just like, opposing gay marriage doesn't make you a homophobe or gay hater. People have all kinds of reasons for their viewpoints, and it is foolish (and bigoted) to stereotype people and determine their motives for them. That is precisely what you are attempting to do here, and what I am objecting to.

To oppose interracial marriage because it is your personal religious belief that God doesn't want you to marry outside of your race, is not a "racist" viewpoint, and has nothing to do with your personal feelings regarding superiority or inferiority of race, and you insisting they are the same thing, is never going to make it so. Sorry!

 

[Cypress]

Well, we disagree. I think opposing interracial marriage doesn't automatically make you a racist....... Sorry!

BINGO!

I retract my earlier, and more subtle response.

You're a full fledged racist, and yet you don't even recognize it.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Dixie's trying to divert the direction of the thread and create a strawman.
Pretending that any of this is related to the constitution is a moot point.
No one has advocated or recommended any kind government intervention. Yet here is rambling on about the 1st amendment.....

No diversion, no straw man, no pretending. You made the false claim that Brian Kilmeade was "purporting" Nazism and "pure race" ideology, and I refuted you with the details of the context in which his comments were made. Since that point, I have listened to each one of you morons who lined up to call me a racist and bring up shit from the past to re-argue again, instead of discussing the thread topic. If anyone is guilty of strawmen and diversion in this thread, it is Cypress, Waterhead, ib1, and you.

 

[Cypress]

dixie, you are so full of shit.

You proudly display a confederate flag.

You honor and worship the confederacy.

You don't think oppossing inter racial dating makes one a racist.


LOL


Oppossing inter racial dating is racism by definition.

It doesn't matter what kind of bullshit, biblical reasons you make up to hide behind.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

BINGO!

I retract my earlier, and more subtle response.

You're a full fledged racist, and yet you don't even recognize it.

Look dude, you can just keep repeating that over and over for the rest of your pathetic life, and it still will not be the truth. I am 0% racist, and everyone who has ever known me, can attest to that. IF you would like to come down here to Alabama and call me a racist to my face, I welcome the opportunity to make you smile through the back of your pathetic pinhead, after I take you around to my friends who will laugh at what a jerk and moron you are for having such a notion about me. But we all know that isn't going to happen, you are going to sit smugly behind your keyboard typing your slanderous lies and bullshit about people, and acting like your shit don't stink. Because you are a cowardly little pussy fuck who can't think of any other way to be a big man than to call people names on a message board.

 

[Beefy]

Look dude, you can just keep repeating that over and over for the rest of your pathetic life, and it still will not be the truth. I am 0% racist, and everyone who has ever known me, can attest to that. IF you would like to come down here to Alabama and call me a racist to my face, I welcome the opportunity to make you smile through the back of your pathetic pinhead, after I take you around to my friends who will laugh at what a jerk and moron you are for having such a notion about me. But we all know that isn't going to happen, you are going to sit smugly behind your keyboard typing your slanderous lies and bullshit about people, and acting like your shit don't stink. Because you are a cowardly little pussy fuck who can't think of any other way to be a big man than to call people names on a message board.

Holy shit! The old cyber cock-strong chest beating, followed up with this, ironic quote of the week: "Because you are a cowardly little pussy fuck who can't think of any other way to be a big man than to call people names on a message board."

Now Dix, surely you know full well that opposing the right for people of different races to marry is racist. Surely you know that much. Its one thing to make the personal decision "I'm white and I choose only to marry a white woman", is different than "No brownie better marry a white bitch."

Surely you see the difference.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

dixie, you are so full of shit.

You proudly display a confederate flag.

You honor and worship the confederacy.

You don't think oppossing inter racial dating makes one a racist.


LOL


Oppossing inter racial dating is racism by definition.

It doesn't matter what kind of bullshit, biblical reasons you make up to hide behind.

I don't "worship" anything, including the Confederacy. I do honor my fallen ancestors who fought and died in a war they didn't have a damn thing to do with starting. Those ancestors happened to be 1/2 Cherokee and 1/4 African-American, with a healthy dose of European roots as well, so my family was doing the interracial marriage thing before the United States was even a country. I don't need to hear your pathetic whining and misinterpretations of what racism is, you are a fucking moron nitwit.

I have NEVER articulated an argument opposed to interracial dating or interracial marriage. I merely stood up for people having the right to an opinion different than yours, and not being called inappropriate names because of their religious views. I'm sorry you don't agree with them, I don't agree with them either, but they do have the right to their own religious viewpoint, and believing it is against God's will for them to marry someone outside of their race, doesn't mean they believe in white supremacy! It is TWO SEPARATE ARGUMENTS! One does NOT conclude the other! I even gave you an example of someone who interracially married and was racist in their viewpoint, to prove the point... they are TWO DIFFERENT THINGS! IS that sinking into your thick head yet? Let me repeat this one more fucking time.... Someone who thinks marriage should not be interracial, is NOT saying they think whites are superior or black are inferior, and their viewpoint is not remotely based on that sentiment. You can believe what you want to, but you do so as a prejudiced bigot who has drawn your own stereotype... so you are the pot calling the kettle black here.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Now Dix, surely you know full well that opposing the right for people of different races to marry is racist. Surely you know that much. Its one thing to make the personal decision "I'm white and I choose only to marry a white woman", is different than "No brownie better marry a white bitch."

Surely you see the difference.

I have not said one thing about opposing the right for anyone to marry anyone. Again, that seems to be the consensus of what you pinheads WANT me to be saying, so you can bash me relentlessly and call me a racist bigot. That is NOT my viewpoint, has never been my viewpoint, and will never be my personal viewpoint. I believe any man and woman should have the right to get married, if they are of legal age. I don't believe that should be restricted to same race, as that would be endorsing a purely religious belief at the expense of other people's civil rights. But purely religious people who oppose interracial marriage on religious grounds, are not necessarily doing so out of a "racist" point of view. Can't you comprehend what I am saying here? IF a person believes their God prohibits them from marrying outside of their race, that is FAR different than believing their race is superior or another race is inferior. It has nothing to do with their feelings in that regard, it is a completely separate issue.

God didn't 'instruct' his followers not to intermarry because of racial purity. It was because of (best of my understanding) the Tower of Babel, and God saw mankind had become too wise, so he destroyed this proverbial tower to heaven and cast men out to the four corners of the earth and gave them different languages. This is all in the old testament, and I am not "arguing" it is the truth, or that this is how everyone who opposed interracial marriage sees it. I don't know those things, I just know what I know. This is a religious belief that has nothing to do with racial equality, superiority, or inferiority. It is a religious mandate that has nothing to do with keeping the race pure! You are ALL trying to twist it into that, and make it "racist" because you want it to be, and that isn't a good reason to call something "racist" that simply isn't.

 

[Beefy]

I have not said one thing about opposing the right for anyone to marry anyone. Again, that seems to be the consensus of what you pinheads WANT me to be saying, so you can bash me relentlessly and call me a racist bigot. That is NOT my viewpoint, has never been my viewpoint, and will never be my personal viewpoint. I believe any man and woman should have the right to get married, if they are of legal age. I don't believe that should be restricted to same race, as that would be endorsing a purely religious belief at the expense of other people's civil rights. But purely religious people who oppose interracial marriage on religious grounds, are not necessarily doing so out of a "racist" point of view. Can't you comprehend what I am saying here? IF a person believes their God prohibits them from marrying outside of their race, that is FAR different than believing their race is superior or another race is inferior. It has nothing to do with their feelings in that regard, it is a completely separate issue.

God didn't 'instruct' his followers not to intermarry because of racial purity. It was because of (best of my understanding) the Tower of Babel, and God saw mankind had become too wise, so he destroyed this proverbial tower to heaven and cast men out to the four corners of the earth and gave them different languages. This is all in the old testament, and I am not "arguing" it is the truth, or that this is how everyone who opposed interracial marriage sees it. I don't know those things, I just know what I know. This is a religious belief that has nothing to do with racial equality, superiority, or inferiority. It is a religious mandate that has nothing to do with keeping the race pure! You are ALL trying to twist it into that, and make it "racist" because you want it to be, and that isn't a good reason to call something "racist" that simply isn't.

Dix, I appreciate you perspective here, but lets clarify. If someone's religious beliefs make them oppose interracial marriage for anyone, not just themselves, is that a racist belief system?

 

[Bonestorm]

Dix, I appreciate you perspective here, but lets clarify. If someone's religious beliefs make them oppose interracial marriage for anyone, not just themselves, is that a racist belief system?

Are you calling God a racist? That's fucked up, homes.

 

[Beefy]

Are you calling God a racist? That's fucked up, homes.

Well, most religious people believe in a hateful, vindictive god that is more than willing to let billions of people suffer eternal merciless torture unless they kiss his ass in the right spot, so, such an evil entity would probably be racist too.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

That's been USF's forte recently.

You want jizz or anal fixation comments, then address USF.

DAMN fat boy, you really are obssessed with me; aren't you!!

You're getting to be a little scary there, chubby.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Dix, I appreciate you perspective here, but lets clarify. If someone's religious beliefs make them oppose interracial marriage for anyone, not just themselves, is that a racist belief system?

If someone has the religious belief that marrying outside of race is wrong in the eyes of God, that is their personal religious faith, not a "racist" viewpoint. Most people who practice religion, base their "votes" on what they personally believe. It would be difficult to say you believe it's wrong, yet vote in favor of it. In fact, that would be a bit hypocritical, wouldn't it?

Let's reexamine what racism means.... It is the belief that one race is superior or inferior to another. I know I have repeated this about 100 times in this thread, but I still get the feeling that point is sailing over many pinheads here. Racism is pretty clearly defined, there is not much room to wiggle on what it actually means. Either you believe all races are equal, or you don't. Period! That is how a racist viewpoint, or as you put it, belief system, is formulated. Believing that God doesn't want races to mix together, is not inherently racist. It has nothing to do with racial equality, or determinations of inferior, superior, or pure race. The Biblical argument is centered around Old Testament stories, which many religions simply don't subscribe to and don't recognize. Still, there are some people who have a deep and profound religious belief that God doesn't want us to intermarry. Heck... some people believe God doesn't want us to marry at all! It doesn't make them something they aren't, just because we disagree with their viewpoint. That is all I have been saying here. I am not condoning or supporting anything that keeps getting slung at me, I have said consistently, this is not about MY personal views.

 

[Beefy]

I think the belief that all races do not have the same inherent rights is a racist thought as well, regardless of the catalyst behind it. And yes, old religious convictions are full of racism.

If someone has religious beliefs that other races should be enslaved or murdered, I couldn't give a shit as to the fact that their "GOD" told them this shit, its STILL RACIST.

If god tells you that you are to do racist shit, then its still racist shit whether gord, david duke, or jesse jackson said so.

Opposing interracial marriage is racist. Jesus, I thought this was a pretty easy one.