christiefan915
Catalyst
Some truth here, but only some....
The NIE was wrong...thats obvious now...and it did contain caveats
caveats that I'm sure everyone was aware of at the time, including Bush and the MSM.....so what....
Intelligence is by its nature not 100% factual and truth...we all know that too....caveats notwithstanding....
Read the Oct. NIE for yourself and stop getting brain rot from Huffington....why would anyone looking for truth go to a far left or a far right source and expect a fair and balanced article.
Here is a small example of the NIE:
We judge that Iraq has
We judge that we are seeing only a portion of Iraq’s WMD efforts
Iraq has maintained its chemical weapons effort
Baghdad is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program.
Iraq has largely rebuilt missile and biological weapons facilities
Baghdad has exceeded UN range limits of 150 km with its ballistic missiles
Most agencies believe
All agencies agree that about 25,000 centrifuges based on tubes of the size
We assess that Baghdad has begun renewed production of mustard, sarin
An array of clandestine reporting reveals that Baghdad has procured covertly
We judge Iraq has some lethal and incapacitating BW agents
Iraq is deploying its new al-Samoud and Ababil-100 SRBMs
No matter how badly you need to believe Bush lied, these facts presented in the NIE are undeniable, even taking into account some caveats...
IS, HAS, WE BELIEVE, ARE SEEING....these are not maybes, coulds, mights,.....
THIS IS THE INTELLIGENCE PRESENTED TO THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION BEFORE THE WAR....it might be bogus, but it is not riddled with indecisive ambiguity.....
and to repeat it to Congress or to the public is not lying...its what was thought to be the facts at the time....
This man came clean to UNSCOM about the WMD way back in 1995. And he was assassinated for his troubles.
The U.S. had this info but didn't include it in all the info released prior to the war. Why not? Because it would destroy the central argument bush was using to scam the public into supporting the invasion. Only a die-hard toady like you can look at all the evidence, in context, and still believe the lies.
"Hussein Kamel, Iraq’s former minister of military industry—who was Saddam Hussein’s son-in-law and who had overseen Iraq’s nuclear, chemical, biological and missile weapons programs for almost a decade—is interviewed shortly after defecting by UNMOVIC Executive Chairman Rolf Ekeus, Professor Maurizio Zifferero, deputy director of the Internal Atomic Energy Agency,and Nikita Smidovick of UNSCOM. During the interview, Kamel says that Iraq had destroyed all of its banned weapons after the First Gulf War. “I ordered destruction of all chemical weapons. All weapons—biological, chemical, missile, nuclear were destroyed,” he tells his interviewers. With regard to Anthrax, which Kamel says had been the “main focus” of Iraq’s biological program, Kamel says, “nothing remained.” Regarding the nerve gas, VX, Kamel says, “they put it in bombs during last days of the Iran-Iraq war. They were not used and the program was terminated.” When asked if the program had been reconstituted, Kamel replies, “We changed the factory into pesticide production. Part of the establishment started to produce medicine… We gave instructions not to produce chemical weapons.” On the issue of prohibited missiles, Kamel states: “[N]ot a single missile left but they had blueprints and molds for production. All missiles were destroyed.”
Kamel also says that inspections worked in Iraq. “You have important role in Iraq with this. You should not underestimate yourself. You are very effective in Iraq,” he reveals. [Kamal, 8/22/1995 pdf file] But this information is not made public. Newsweek reports in March 2003 that according to its sources, “Kamel’s revelations about the destruction of Iraq’s WMD stocks were hushed up by the UN inspectors… for two reasons. Saddam did not know how much Kamel had revealed, and the inspectors hoped to bluff Saddam into disclosing still more.” [Scotsman, 2/24/2003; Newsweek, 3/3/2003] Kamel also says that Khidir Hamza, an Iraqi nuclear scientist who defected in 1994 and who will be a source for claims regarding Iraq’s alleged nuclear weapons program in the lead-up to the 2003 invasion of Iraq, is “a professional liar.” He tells his interviewers, “He worked with us, but he was useless and always looking for promotions.… He consulted with me but could not deliver anything.… He was even interrogated by a team before he left and was allowed to go.” [New York Review of Books, 2/26/2004] At around the same time, Kamel is also interviewed by the CIA and Britain’s MI6. According to sources interviewed by Newsweek, Kamel provides them with the same information. [Scotsman, 2/24/2003; Newsweek, 3/3/2003 Sources: Unnamed sources] But after this is revealed on February 24, 2003 by Newsweek’s John Barry, the CIA issues a strong denial. “It is incorrect, bogus, wrong, untrue,” CIA spokesman Bill Harlow will say. [Reuters, 2/24/2003]
http://www.historycommons.org/conte...ete_timeline_of_the_2003_invasion_of_iraq_424