We can't afford NOT TO do single payer health care

[LV426]

Because Communism is the answer.

Regardless of the question, Communism is the only answer the left has.

Submit to the collective.

Of course if you are Der Juden - the whites - such submission will likely be fatal.

{"[W]e have taken redress in our particular initiative to mean providing precisely what was denied for at least a decade: a preferential admission option for Black and Latinx heart failure patients to our specialty cardiology service," they said.

"The Healing ARC [acknowledgment, redress and closure] will include a flag in our electronic medical record and admissions system suggesting that providers admit Black and Latinx heart failure patients to cardiology, rather than rely on provider discretion or patient self-advocacy to determine whether they should go to cardiology or general medicine."

The op-ed caught attention this week and is likely to pour fuel on an already-raging debate surrounding race in U.S. institutions.

Discovery Institute researcher Chris Rufo, who has spearheaded efforts against critical race theory, told Fox News that what the physicians advocated was a moral crime and unconstitutional.
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https://www.foxnews.com/us/nyc-doctor-racial-preference-minorities-medical-care

The answer is very simple...every patient should be in the same insurance pool because that will lead to the lowest premiums and the most funds available for care, and that insurance pool can erase all the chargemasters in all the provider networks in all of the country that wastes $0.34 of every $1.00 on administration. So you are only getting about 2/3 of the value of health care from the amount you put into it.

The bloat in our health care system is around insurance and pharma companies...those are the top two reasons for the high administrative costs.

 

[floridafan]

Have you given up on the one's Obama promised?

And the reductions in cost? Instead costs have tripled under fascist care.

If you want costs to go up, and quality to go down, put government in charge.

As soon as I mention Trumps broken promises and lies, you must lie about Obama. Go fuck off, idiot.

 

[Guno צְבִי]

Because Communism is the answer.

Regardless of the question, Communism is the only answer the left has.

Submit to the collective.

Of course if you are Der Juden - the whites - such submission will likely be fatal.

{"[W]e have taken redress in our particular initiative to mean providing precisely what was denied for at least a decade: a preferential admission option for Black and Latinx heart failure patients to our specialty cardiology service," they said.

"The Healing ARC [acknowledgment, redress and closure] will include a flag in our electronic medical record and admissions system suggesting that providers admit Black and Latinx heart failure patients to cardiology, rather than rely on provider discretion or patient self-advocacy to determine whether they should go to cardiology or general medicine."

The op-ed caught attention this week and is likely to pour fuel on an already-raging debate surrounding race in U.S. institutions.

Discovery Institute researcher Chris Rufo, who has spearheaded efforts against critical race theory, told Fox News that what the physicians advocated was a moral crime and unconstitutional.
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https://www.foxnews.com/us/nyc-doctor-racial-preference-minorities-medical-care

^^^^^^^^^^
uneducated goyim

 

[LV426]

Have you given up on the one's Obama promised?

What promise?

And the reductions in cost? Instead costs have tripled under fascist care.

Prove it.

If you want costs to go up, and quality to go down, put government in charge.

It's funny you say that because you just said literally one sentence earlier that costs tripled and that's with no Public Option or single payer plan.

Exactly ZERO PERCENT of the plans on the ACA exchanges are run by the government.

You are incredibly fucking stupid for not catching that massive fuckup.

 

[Uncensored2008]

It's amazing that this is still a debate in the US.

I know, Communism works so well.

democrats will give America medical care on par with North Korea.

And as usual, it's lower income conservatives who would benefit from M4A who are opposed to it.

And by "benefit" you mean "be euthanized" as they do in Canada.

They really are so brainwashed by their corporate overlords and wealthy individuals that they argue against their own self interest. Different day, same story.

Who was it that pushed Obama's Fascist Care?

Kaiser and Blue Cross.

How did that "help" the average American? Tripled the cost to them and reduced the care they got.

Those like you who worship the state never figure it out until it's too late.

 

[Diesel]

to be 'triggered' I would have to lend some sort of significance to you and your opinion. I do not, therefore am not triggered.

If you say so. Still doesn't explain why you hate education. My guess? You're not educated enough to honestly answer the question. Such is life.

 

[LV426]

I know, Communism works so well. democrats will give America medical care on par with North Korea.

More like Canada, Israel, or Japan.

All three of whom have universal, single payer health care.

Last time I checked, they were more free than we are...they can go to any doctor they want, we can't.

And by "benefit" you mean "be euthanized" as they do in Canada.

Lies, lies, lies.

Canada is expanding categories for medically assisted death
Canada has allowed terminally ill patients to end their lives with medical assistance since 2016. And eventually, even as early as next March, Canadians living with severe mental illness could also be eligible under the law known as medical assistance in dying, or MAID.
https://www.npr.org/2022/12/11/1142...d terminally ill,assistance in dying, or MAID.

Whenever a Conservative Nazi opens their mouth, chances are they aren't telling you the full story.

 

[Uncensored2008]

At one time that worked,it doesn't work anymore, and puts American companies at a disadvantage in a global market place!

Utter nonsense.

The idea that government creates wealth is childish. Without employers providing group coverage, the rulers of the state simply tax the shit out of them.

The lie that business is not funding healthcare in places like Canada is just that, a lie.

What changing the management of health care from individuals to the rulers of the state does is allow the state to decide who gets care, and who is denied care.

 

[Diesel]

Your response my be national level is different than state level but I can speak to what's happening in California. There's been a big push for M4A in California and go look at Newsom's rhetoric when he ran for re-election a year or two ago, he was all in. Fast forward to today. (Reminder that Democrats have a super majority in California so they can pass legislation without a single Republican vote.)

They can't even get a vote in the assembly on a M4A bill now. And Newsom has done nothing to push for one after all his rhetoric on the campaign trail.

There's a reason California gets so much national attention because as they say 'as goes California so goes the nation'. Well if M4A can't even get a vote in the assembly here, how realistic is it to expect one nationally?

That vague response doesn't particularly assist the discussion. Why did Newsom get cold feet?

 

[LV426]

Who was it that pushed Obama's Fascist Care?

Fascist care? You're the one who wants to keep private insurance companies around and you can't explain why.

Kaiser and Blue Cross

OK? Both private, for-profit companies.

How did that "help" the average American? Tripled the cost to them and reduced the care they got.

1. This "tripling cost" sounds like a lie...and it sounds like a lie because you never sourced it.

2. It helped by getting 30,000,000 people insured, almost double the number of people who were first brought under Medicare in 1965

Those like you who worship the state never figure it out until it's too late.

You worship the state too, you just do it the fascist way by simping for monied interests and rich people.

 

[LV426]

That vague response doesn't particularly assist the discussion. Why did Newsom get cold feet?

LOL.

If you're looking for depth, cawacko is the last place you'd want to go.

"Superficial" is putting it mildly.

 

[Diesel]

you aren't new here - yet you act like you are not aware of the troll like debate methods of lvdouche

he is a clown and does not get any respect for civil debate - I tried that many times but never again


as for Sanders plan - he would kill medical innovation - the dipshit hates profits - but people risk time, talent, and treasure for profits

You are such a cowardly pussy. Do you pay more or less than $1,600 per year for health insurance? Your mischaracterization of Sanders's plan reeks of ignorance and mindless partisanship.

 

[LV426]

The idea that government creates wealth is childis

Of course government creates wealth because government spends in the same economy as everyone else.

The cashier at Best Buy doesn't give a shit if you're a federal worker or you work for Apple; all they care about is if your card won't get declined.

The childish belief is that rich people or business owners create jobs. They may HIRE workers, but jobs are created by demand...and you don't get demand if you're forcing consumers to spend money on health care instead of consumer goods.

Without employers providing group coverage, the rulers of the state simply tax the shit out of them.

Good! Fuck those freeloaders. If you can't pay your workers a decent wage and provide them with health care while also making a profit, then you shouldn't run a business.

The lie that business is not funding healthcare in places like Canada is just that, a lie.

So...you're mad about a health care system that everyone, including businesses, pays into?

It just sounds like you're mad for the sake of being mad; there's nothing logical in any of this.

What changing the management of health care from individuals to the rulers of the state

You don't have management of your health care right now!

You can only go to the doctors your insurance tells you.

You can only get the treatments your insurance tells you.

You can only get the drugs your insurance tells you.

You can only see the specialists your insurance tells you.

So what the flying fuck is your stupid ass talking about here?

 

[Guno צְבִי]

For both me and the wife medicare is near $4000 a year, $164 each a month taken out from SS for each of us

 

[Althea]

Right now according to the Kaiser Family Foundation, it costs about $22K a year to provide a worker with health insurance.

Of that $22K cost, the worker pays about $6K and the employer pays about $16K.

For a business of 50 employees, that is $800,000 a year that the company is spending on health care. Most businesses of 50 employees or less make an average income of just $53,000 a year. $800,000 spent on health care, $53,000 in profit.

Under Bernie Sanders' M4A proposal, that business of 50 employees would pay exactly $0 in taxes to provide health care for their workers, saving $800,000 a year that can be put toward employee salaries, renovations, or new hires. Bernie's plan sets a 7.5% tax on business income in excess of $100,000. Most small businesses don't even come close to making that amount of profit, and those that do are hedge funds (they get taxed separately under Bernie's proposal).

But what about the employee? Won't they have to pay too? Yes, of course. They pay 4% on income above $29,000. The average HH income in the country is about $70K, so the average amount paid by workers in taxes for single payer would be just $1,600. Remember, workers pay $6,000 for health care right now. For a worker to pay the same amount, they would have to make at least $150,000/yr. Only 10% of US workers make more than $150,000 a year.

Employer based health insurance is designed to depress wages, AND save the company money. Insurance costs are not subject to an employer's matching FICA contribution. They essentially save 8+% on every dollar they spend on insurance.

 

[Mason Michaels]

Utter nonsense.

The idea that government creates wealth is childish. Without employers providing group coverage, the rulers of the state simply tax the shit out of them.

The lie that business is not funding healthcare in places like Canada is just that, a lie.

What changing the management of health care from individuals to the rulers of the state does is allow the state to decide who gets care, and who is denied care.

When I first started working everyone had blue cross blue shield and it worked fine. That was before we had a global economy.

 

[Mason Michaels]

Employer based health insurance is designed to depress wages, AND save the company money. Insurance costs are not subject to an employer's matching FICA contribution. They essentially save 8+% on every dollar they spend on insurance.

That's not how it started out.

 

[Althea]

When I first started working everyone had blue cross blue shield and it worked fine. That was before we had a global economy.

That's when health insurance costs were just over $100/month

Now we have an overmedicated nation and investors who make billions on Big Pharma dividends.

 

[Althea]

That's not how it started out.

Actually, that's exactly how it started out. As a way to suppress wages.

 

[Mason Michaels]

That's when health insurance costs were just over $100/month

Now we have an overmedicated nation and investors who make billions on Big Pharma dividends.

Exactly! Now health insurance through employers just is bad for business!