‘Waste of time’: Community college transfers derail students

First came the good news. After taking classes at a community college, Ricki Korba was admitted to California State University, Bakersfield, as a transfer student. But when she logged on to her student account, she got a gut punch: Most of her previous classes wouldn’t count.

The university rejected most of her science classes, she was told, because they were deemed less rigorous than those at Bakersfield — even though some used the same textbooks. Several other courses were rejected because Korba exceeded a cap on how many credits can be transferred.

Now Korba, a chemistry and music major, is retaking classes she already passed once. It will add a year to her studies, plus at least $20,000 in tuition and fees.

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If a student can’t spend an hour to find out if their credits are transferable then they would never get a bachelor degree.

College is designed to weed out those who can’t handle it because the university doesn’t make much money on them.
 
BidenPresident said:
Among nearly 1 million students who started at a community college in 2016, just one in seven earned a bachelor’s degree within six years, according to data from the National Student Clearinghouse.

One of the biggest obstacles is known as credit loss: when students take classes that never end up counting toward a degree.

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Community Colleges, in most states, deletes all student course credit and GPA information after 5 years unless the student acquired an associate's degree.


Many people list their Community College class history and grade information on their resumes and job applications, but the Community College just replies to inquiries by employers with, "No records Found"!

This is a huge injustice and should be corrected. It makes it appear that someone is lying on their resume or application and unfit for hiring.
College Credit needs to be given for credit due.

One could have 60 hours of coursework accumulated, but without an actual Associates Degree, the information can be just deleted from history after 5 years, and the student would have to start over and re-take all of the coursework all over again, should they want to take up a degree plan again.

It is just not fair to people to delete their educational accomplishments in this manner.
 
BidenPresident said:
Among nearly 1 million students who started at a community college in 2016, just one in seven earned a bachelor’s degree
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A lot of people who go to CC aren't aiming to get a bachelor's degree. Some are there to just get an associate's degree, to get a professional accreditation, or just taking classes for fun.
 
Geeko Sportivo said:
Community Colleges, in most states, deletes all student course credit and GPA information after 5 years unless the student acquired an associate's degree.


Many people list their Community College class history and grade information on their resumes and job applications, but the Community College just replies to inquiries by employers with, "No records Found"!

This is a huge injustice and should be corrected. It makes it appear that someone is lying on their resume or application and unfit for hiring.
College Credit needs to be given for credit due.

One could have 60 hours of coursework accumulated, but without an actual Associates Degree, the information can be just deleted from history after 5 years, and the student would have to start over and re-take all of the coursework all over again, should they want to take up a degree plan again.

It is just not fair to people to delete their educational accomplishments in this manner.
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I have taught at a community college. Very little guidance is given to students as to their overall academic goals.
 
Cypress said:
A lot of people who go to CC aren't aiming to get a bachelor's degree. Some are there to just get an associate's degree, to get a professional accreditation, or just taking classes for fun.
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Perhaps. But the article is about students who go to community college expecting to go on to a 4 year program.
 
BidenPresident said:
First came the good news. After taking classes at a community college, Ricki Korba was admitted to California State University, Bakersfield, as a transfer student. But when she logged on to her student account, she got a gut punch: Most of her previous classes wouldn’t count.

The university rejected most of her science classes, she was told, because they were deemed less rigorous than those at Bakersfield — even though some used the same textbooks. Several other courses were rejected because Korba exceeded a cap on how many credits can be transferred.

Now Korba, a chemistry and music major, is retaking classes she already passed once. It will add a year to her studies, plus at least $20,000 in tuition and fees.

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This is a very common practice for transfer students. The university won't accept some credits for whatever reason. Or, they throw in a 'gotcha' course or two. These latter are ones specifically required and are designed where you can't get them anywhere else. They are usually sophomore courses. So, the transfer student is forced to take a minimum of one semester of sophomore classes before they can go to their junior year. The junior and senior classes are set where you can't take any of them until you pass the gotcha course.

You have to remember that first and foremost universities are a business and they want to make a big profit.
 
Tinkerpeach said:
If a student can’t spend an hour to find out if their credits are transferable then they would never get a bachelor degree.

College is designed to weed out those who can’t handle it because the university doesn’t make much money on them.
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There is much more pressure to pass students and get them a degree than to weed them out. Student success and retention is now part of the accreditation process.
 
BidenPresident said:
Universities are almost all non profit institutions. It would be illegal for them to make a profit.
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Wrong! Even public universities are in it for the money. They get tons of money in the form of government grants, research contracts, etc. Most universities have endowments. Harvard's endowment is larger than the GDP of all but a few countries and could perpetually pay for most students to go there for free. Universities also heavily fund raise among their alumni. The presidents of even public universities draw substantial six figure salaries, some even draw million dollar plus ones.

Nonprofit my ass...
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Wrong! Even public universities are in it for the money. They get tons of money in the form of government grants, research contracts, etc. Most universities have endowments. Harvard's endowment is larger than the GDP of all but a few countries and could perpetually pay for most students to go there for free. Universities also heavily fund raise among their alumni. The presidents of even public universities draw substantial six figure salaries, some even draw million dollar plus ones.

Nonprofit my ass...
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You realize a university can have revenue without it being profit.
 
BidenPresident said:
First came the good news. After taking classes at a community college, Ricki Korba was admitted to California State University, Bakersfield, as a transfer student. But when she logged on to her student account, she got a gut punch: Most of her previous classes wouldn’t count.

The university rejected most of her science classes, she was told, because they were deemed less rigorous than those at Bakersfield — even though some used the same textbooks. Several other courses were rejected because Korba exceeded a cap on how many credits can be transferred.

Now Korba, a chemistry and music major, is retaking classes she already passed once. It will add a year to her studies, plus at least $20,000 in tuition and fees.

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haha.

college is for dumb people.
 
BidenPresident said:
I have taught at a community college. Very little guidance is given to students as to their overall academic goals.
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Only 26% of Community College students ever acquire an associate's degree after 5 years. This is the reason why in many cases- their history was deleted for whatever reason. And 25% of people with associate degrees ever go on to complete their education in a 4 years college.

Many businesses do not even recognize associate degrees period- like Perot Systems here in Dallas! For discriminating companies like Perot Systems, it's either a 4 year degree from a college they approve of, or you have nothing to offer them according to their Human Resources.

Sad!
 
Geeko Sportivo said:
Only 26% of Community College students ever acquire an associate's degree after 5 years. This is the reason why in many cases- their history was deleted for whatever reason. And 25% of people with associate degrees ever go on to complete their education in a 4 years college.

Many businesses do not even recognize associate degrees period- like Perot Systems here in Dallas! For discriminating companies like Perot Systems, it's either a 4 year degree from a college they approve of, or you have nothing to offer them according to their Human Resources.

Sad!
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Unless it is for a specific job, an associate degree is meaningless.
 
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