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911 EVERY DAY
I must've missed that.
Wasn't ISIS defeated 70 days ago?
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Hey, with 8 years to flourish under Trump's closeted predecessor, it's a taller order than your average democrat thinks. Give it time, Pampers.
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Hey, with 8 years to flourish under Trump's closeted predecessor, it's a taller order than your average democrat thinks. Give it time, Pampers.
Their #'s were actually pretty decimated under Obama, and they lost over half their territory.
Trump had a secret plan to defeat them, and it wasn't supposed to take long at all. It was going to be done "quickly."
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lol..they gained 100% of their territory under Obama.
What's gonna be interesting is what is carved out for the Kurds-if not the boundaries are going to lead to border wars.
And ISIS is not going away, it's gona be a nasty insurgency
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Those are actually the facts.
You guys are really pretty clueless about what is going on in the world.
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lol..they gained 100% of their territory under Obama.
What's gonna be interesting is what is carved out for the Kurds-if not the boundaries are going to lead to border wars.
And ISIS is not going away, it's gona be a nasty insurgency
Don't be such a buffoon. Bush created the vacuum that allowed for ISIS.
A poster like you should know better than that. Trump's whole spin that Obama did "nothing" against ISIS was for the uninformed. 10's of thousands of ISIS troops killed, and over 50% of their territory lost.
Stop being such a hack. Restore some of your credibility.
LMAO @ You calling for an end to hackery.
Why would you post such nonsense as "1/2 the territory was lost under Obama",when you know damn well right
ISIS rolled untouched in convoys across Iraq conquering cities while Obama dismissed them as "JV?"
Ya I know the history of ISIS, and you once asked me if I supported the Iraq war.
I can assure you i was sickened by the jingoism and the 'yellow ribbons' that led us into war against a country that had little or nothing to do with 9-11.
Point being I have been consistent -just like I've been consistent on interventionism ( regime change).
But that was no reason not to look at anti-ISIS mow down in the desert as a counter-terrorism op.
They were in convoys!
It would have been of short duration -no regime change -and we wouldn't be going thru this protracted liberation of city after city.
ISIS = "Islamic State of Iraq and Syria". without territory it would have remained AQI. a virulent insurgency
Obama's fecklessness led us here, just like Bush did to AQI. get honest about it.
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LMAO @ You calling for an end to hackery.
Why would you post such nonsense as "1/2 the territory was lost under Obama",when you know damn well right
ISIS rolled untouched in convoys across Iraq conquering cities while Obama dismissed them as "JV?"
Ya I know the history of ISIS, and you once asked me if I supported the Iraq war.
I can assure you i was sickened by the jingoism and the 'yellow ribbons' that led us into war against a country that had little or nothing to do with 9-11.
Point being I have been consistent -just like I've been consistent on interventionism ( regime change).
But that was no reason not to look at anti-ISIS mow down in the desert as a counter-terrorism op.
They were in convoys!
It would have been of short duration -no regime change -and we wouldn't be going thru this protract liberation of city after city.
ISIS = "Islamic State of Iraq and Syria". without territory it would have remained AQI.
Obama's fecklessness led us here, just like Bush did to AQI. get honest about it.
And YOU know that this country had no stomach at all for more troop presence in Iraq and more war after a decade+ of something that was supposed to be "6 months."
I'm tired of this BS. The left warned the Bushies EN MASSE of the Pandora's Box he was opening up w/ Iraq. I don't care who followed Bush; there weren't a lot of options given public sentiment to make it less of a mess. People say we shouldn't have pulled out when we did, but literally no one has an estimate for how long we would have needed a very significant fighting presence there. The best guess is likely permanent.
And no way the country would go for that. This will always be on Bush - sorry if that bothers you. He rushed to war, he was careless about considering the consequences. And his supporters loved every second of it. No one is rewriting this history while people who lived through it are still around.
what troop presence? was "troop presence" needed for Libya? No. Neither would have it been needed for ISIS in Iraq.
all that was needed was an Air Force! no ground troops. It was a proverbial turkey shoot.
We could have knocked them out in a few days, and kept suppressing them in the desert if they reformed
when they got into the cities -then they became unable to target solely by air.
Good Lord Thing.
Look at what we did to Libya -bombed the crap out of Qaddafi and even there we bombed
Misrata ( a city).
We wouldn't even had to have done that if Obama had taken advantage of open targeting in the Iraqi desert.
ISIS convoy somewhere in Iraqi desert
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You understand that either we or our allies have obliterated quite a few of those traveling convoys, correct?
It's not like that one was all of ISIS or anything. As usual, you have tunnel vision about one or 2 very specific situations, and miss the much bigger picture.
It's not like that one was all of ISIS or anything. As usual, you have tunnel vision about one or 2 very specific situations, and miss the much bigger picture.
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fully immersed in faith..
they didn't even exist before Obama, so whatever their numbers were when Obama left office is what happened to their numbers under Obama......
The Iraqi forces fled from ISIS as they approached the Mosul & theAnbar cities leaving tanks and artillery
-that's how ISIS got it's heavy weapons. That's how it became a true "terrorist army"
If the US had hit ISIS in the desert during it's advance none of the cities would need liberation today.
and ISIS would never have become a regional power ( short term -but still a regional terrorist army)
It was a complete abandonment by Obama, rationalized by his "JV" nonsense.
Untold suffering and death by his failure to act is his legacy in Iraq..it was as bad a mistake as going into Iraq
and I think it was worse the Libya, and you know what a FUBAR call that was by Hillary/Obama
Dude, where’s my Humvee? Iraq losing equipment to Islamic State at staggering rate
By Peter Van Buren
June 2, 2015
http://blogs.reuters.com/great-deba...t-losses-to-islamic-state-are-out-of-control/
Iraqi security forces lost 2,300 Humvee armored vehicles when Islamic State overran the northern city of Mosul in June 2014, Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi said on Sunday in an interview with Iraqiya state television. Coupled with previous losses of American weapons, the conclusion is simple: The United States is effectively supplying Islamic State with tools of war the militant group cannot otherwise hope to acquire from its patrons.
In addition to the Humvees, Iraqi forces previously abandoned significant types and numbers of heavy weapons to Islamic State. For example, losses to Islamic State include at least 40 M1A1 main battle tanks, as well as small arms and ammunition, including 74,000 machine guns, and as many as 52 M198 howitzer mobile gun systems.
“We lost a lot of weapons,” Abadi (Prime Minister) admitted.
By Peter Van Buren
June 2, 2015
http://blogs.reuters.com/great-deba...t-losses-to-islamic-state-are-out-of-control/
Iraqi security forces lost 2,300 Humvee armored vehicles when Islamic State overran the northern city of Mosul in June 2014, Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi said on Sunday in an interview with Iraqiya state television. Coupled with previous losses of American weapons, the conclusion is simple: The United States is effectively supplying Islamic State with tools of war the militant group cannot otherwise hope to acquire from its patrons.
In addition to the Humvees, Iraqi forces previously abandoned significant types and numbers of heavy weapons to Islamic State. For example, losses to Islamic State include at least 40 M1A1 main battle tanks, as well as small arms and ammunition, including 74,000 machine guns, and as many as 52 M198 howitzer mobile gun systems.
“We lost a lot of weapons,” Abadi (Prime Minister) admitted.
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Oh, really? No one who was eventually under the umbrella of what we now call ISIS even existed?
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The bolded is complete conjecture.
Again, Bush created the vacuum. You're blaming his successor for not doing everything perfectly to clean it up. I've had my issues w/ Obama's decisions on foreign policy, but I know where to put the blame on this one.
can you connect the dots?
I posted HOW ISIS got their heavy weapons -they got it from a scared Sunni-striped out Iraqi army.
All Obama had to do was halt their advance before they got into the cities, and before the Iraqi's fled.
At that point they were coming in from Syria in the convoys.
Obama blames it of "lack of intelligence" -do you really need intelligence to see freaking ISIS Toyotas in the desert? Flying black flags?
"Oh look -do you think that's a terrorist convoy with BLACK FLAGS AND BLACK UNIFORMS??"
you are so desperate to wash Obama's hands of this screw up,
you are dismissing what should have been a turkey shoot.
Instead we got years of ISIS rule, and Iranian's cleaning up the mess in Iraq.
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The Iraqi army?
Let's see...what decision was made during the war that made those guys vulnerable? What could it have been?
The history you write is your own. You're not convincing anyone except die-hard Bushies.
Let's see...what decision was made during the war that made those guys vulnerable? What could it have been?
The history you write is your own. You're not convincing anyone except die-hard Bushies.