Voters blame Bush more than Obama for the economy

Onceler said:
Are you serious? You've said that so many times that it borders on the absurd. Prove you didn't - we've all seen it dozens & dozens of times....
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i've said it so many times you can't link to one post

i'll up the offer...each post you find.....$100...damo as trustee or he can ban me for life
 
Bush tanked the economy and now his fans are endangering America's standing in the credit market.

Moody's Investors Service warned late on Wednesday that the United States could lose its top credit rating in coming weeks if a standoff between the White House and congressional Republicans over raising the statutory borrowing limit is not resolved.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/14/usa-fed-idUSN1E76D16920110714
 
Onceler said:
What are you talking about? By your own standards, the onus is on you to prove you didn't say it.

Clearly, you have - so many times!
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huh? link to "my standards" that support your claim.

you won't, because your claim is a lie. you're just pissy becaue i caught you in yet another lie the other day. why are you so angry about someone asking you for a link? is it because you lied?

still can't find a link despite "many" posts....LOL
 
Typical; refuses to answer my questions or provide links, and then demands answers & links.

No surprise that you ran away, though. You know what you said.
 
Onceler said:
What are you talking about? By your own standards, the onus is on you to prove you didn't say it.

Clearly, you have - so many times!
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You make an accusation, you prove it......a denial needs no 'proof'.......na na na na na!
 
Superfreak said:
Try.... Unemployment, inflation, debt for starters
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Please don't be such a fool. You're certainly smarter than bravo & PMP. The correct answer, as you know, is that the CRASH most certainly did not "worsen" on Obama's watch - particularly after his policies were implemented.

You can argue that his policies were ineffective if you'd like, or that the turnaround is weak, but it's ludicrous to argue that the "crash" worsened.
 
Onceler said:
Please don't be such a fool. You're certainly smarter than bravo & PMP. The correct answer, as you know, is that the CRASH most certainly did not "worsen" on Obama's watch - particularly after his policies were implemented.

You can argue that his policies were ineffective if you'd like, or that the turnaround is weak, but it's ludicrous to argue that the "crash" worsened.
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It isn't being a fool to state that things are worse. Ask anyone who cannot find a job if things are 'better' or 'worse'. Some things have certainly gotten better.... the stock market, the banks, GDP.... but look at what hits the average consumer Lorax.

1) Inflation in food, energy, clothing, gasoline.
2) A declining dollar weakening purchasing power.
3) Unemployment going from under 8% to persistently staying higher than 9%
4) Insanity from the Federal (and many States) in terms of deficit spending, with no end in sight. We are actually seeing the two parties arguing over whether to cut deficit spending by $300b per year vs. $400b per year over the next decade. At current levels (and projected) that means we would STILL be deficit spending by over $700b per year for the next decade. (not to long ago a certain President was condemned for a deficit of $480B.... and rightfully so)
5) Foreclosures remain high and look to continue to worsen (which means those games the banks are playing with Treasuries, better be a 'win' for them.... or we start this process all over again)


It is a matter of perspective Lorax. If you look at it strictly from a GDP standpoint, you are correct, it would be silly to say it has worsened. But looking at it from the perspective of the average individual, it most certainly has worsened.
 
The things you list are completely separate from what MOST rational Americans associate with the actual "crash."

Jobs are a lagging indicator, as you know. If you want to argue that the recovery is not nearly as good as it could be, you've got me - I couldn't agree more. But we are not in recession right now. We were in '08. And if I'm looking for a job, it IS better now that it was in '08 - I don't know how you could argue otherwise. Yes, it still sucks, but it is better than it was.

Ergo, the crash has not "worsened," by any measure, unless you want to take a random indicator like gas prices - which you should know have very little to do with American domestic policy.
 
Onceler said:
The things you list are completely separate from what MOST rational Americans associate with the actual "crash."

Jobs are a lagging indicator, as you know. If you want to argue that the recovery is not nearly as good as it could be, you've got me - I couldn't agree more. But we are not in recession right now. We were in '08. And if I'm looking for a job, it IS better now that it was in '08 - I don't know how you could argue otherwise. Yes, it still sucks, but it is better than it was.

Ergo, the crash has not "worsened," by any measure, unless you want to take a random indicator like gas prices - which you should know have very little to do with American domestic policy.
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That is where you are wrong. The things I list are the EXACT reason that people think the economy is WORSE than it was. The average person does not look at GDP and say 'gee, things are better'. They DO look at the price of food, gasoline, energy bills, clothing, unemployment etc... THAT is what they FEEL personally. That is what hits them the hardest.... not 'what is the stock market doing' or 'are those banks doing alright'.

As for employment, DO explain to us how the jobs market is better given that the unemployment rate has remained above 9%. While it is indeed a lagging indicator, you are smoking crack if you think it lags by over 2 years.

As for the random indicator like 'gas'.... gasoline prices effect damn near every aspect of our lives. Keep that in mind as Obama is tossed next year... because there is nothing to indicate things are getting better from this point forward.
 
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