Voter Registration Surge in California

Mott the Hoople said:
I think Wacko is assuming that they will turn out for the general and that Clinton will be the presumptive nominee. Not unfair assumption given how CA currently polls. Do you honestly think Trump will take CA?
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Probably not, but I want to keep a perfect record on not whiffing on 'Trump can't' predictions lol.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
You've been exposed to too much privilege rhetoric lol. They're people just like we are and their brains work the same way as ours. Just from a psychological standpoint, I think people would be more apt to turn out to vote if they like who they are voting for and Hillary isn't an attractive candidate. If the motivation is to vote in order to defeat someone rather elect someone, I think apathy would be apt to set in.

Also, Trump can be pretty persuasive and I'll be surprised if he doesn't make some sort of overture to the Hispanics. I can't imagine why he wouldn't. If the only thing he needs to do is come off as something less than the embodiment of evil, that means the bar is set pretty low.
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Boy you can sure tell you haven't spoken to any Latinos lately. My wife and I both work with quite a few of them. Legal types ones with college education and I can tell you right now they not only don't like Trump he flat out pisses them off and if you we're to attempt to whitemansplain to them why voting Trump is in their best interest you'd probably be in for a rude awakening.

I mean you really need to go talk to some Latinos cause you have no idea the antipathy they have towards the man. If Trump were to run he'd be lucky to get 1 in 10 Latino votes. Trump has also managed to alienate most Asians on the immigration issue too as most Asians are either immigrants or their parents are or have lots of family members who are. As a person married to an Asian I can tell you the typical response I see with our Asian friends and Family when Trump is mentioned is identical to Latinos. They revile the man.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
You've been exposed to too much privilege rhetoric lol. They're people just like we are and their brains work the same way as ours. Just from a psychological standpoint, I think people would be more apt to turn out to vote if they like who they are voting for and Hillary isn't an attractive candidate. If the motivation is to vote in order to defeat someone rather elect someone, I think apathy would be apt to set in.

Also, Trump can be pretty persuasive and I'll be surprised if he doesn't make some sort of overture to the Hispanics. I can't imagine why he wouldn't. If the only thing he needs to do is come off as something less than the embodiment of evil, that means the bar is set pretty low.
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I would suggest that Trump should get some Spanish lessons pronto, can't hurt!
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
Well, that's kind of it isn't it, lol. Trump or any republican contender will have every word scrutinized when the topic is race related. What he said was that Mexico was sending *some* rapists and crooks over the border along with some good Mexican people.

Which is an undeniable fact.

Deporting illegal immigrants gets converted to 'Trump hates Mexicans' when the reality is that Trump hates illegal immigration, if he hates anything. The reality is that he sees the myriad problems illegal immigration is causing for our own poor people. A sane, dare I say moral?, country takes care of those first.

But look for Hillary and her minions in press and blogosphere to double down on the Trump is a hater rhetoric once it becomes clear its Trump vs Hillary.

How Trump contends with it may well determine the election.
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Well given that a very large part of the rhetoric from the GOP is offensive to minorities and given there is no hiding the fact that a very large percentage of the GOP base is racist then you have to be prepared to either deal with guilt by association or be proactive in denouncing these knuckle draggers. To many GOP politicians have done the opposite. Trump in particular has said to many offensive things to immigrants, minorities and women. How the hell do you think he's going to be able to white wash that?

It's just wishful thinking on your part.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Well given that a very large part of the rhetoric from the GOP is offensive to minorities and given there is no hiding the fact that a very large percentage of the GOP base is racist
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you forget.....the only people stupid enough to believe liberal memes are already going to vote liberal........
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
Well, that's kind of it isn't it, lol. Trump or any republican contender will have every word scrutinized when the topic is race related. What he said was that Mexico was sending *some* rapists and crooks over the border along with some good Mexican people.

Which is an undeniable fact.

Deporting illegal immigrants gets converted to 'Trump hates Mexicans' when the reality is that Trump hates illegal immigration, if he hates anything. The reality is that he sees the myriad problems illegal immigration is causing for our own poor people. A sane, dare I say moral?, country takes care of those first.

But look for Hillary and her minions in press and blogosphere to double down on the Trump is a hater rhetoric once it becomes clear its Trump vs Hillary.

How Trump contends with it may well determine the election.
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Jesus lord dude. Do you know how to do math? You're talking in excess of 10 million people. Not only is deporting impractical if not impossible the humanitarian crises it would precipitate would be staggering. I'm not just talking the dislocation either. Mass deportation would also mean a significant loss of life for those deported.

Do you think these people live in a bubble? Most illegals here have extended family who are legal. Do you think they're going to just sit by and permit such an unconscionable humanitarian crises? Mass deportation may sound like a good idea on paper to some redneck xenophobe who lives where it's mostly white but do you honestly think that most decent, moral people in this nation would permit it?? You're deluding yourself.

Deportation should be interpreted at "Trump hates Mexicans" as the consequences of such a policy would be inhumane and horrific.

So why shouldn't Trumps political opponents take advantage of what is so obviously a very, very, very bad idea?
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
Probably not, but I want to keep a perfect record on not whiffing on 'Trump can't' predictions lol.
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Granted that there have been a lot of people who have underestimated Trump. I have not been one of them. Problem is I know a sales pitch when I see one and I also know a bridge to far when I see one. Trumps political calculus has worked surprisingly well in the primaries and he's done it for far less coin than most of his opponents. But the general is a different critter. You're not dealing with activist here and, when you look at the numbers for the point of view of the Electoral College, Trumps odds in the general look rather bleak.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
not the ones who are here legally....and the illegal ones aren't supposed to be voting......of course, they may still be registering in California.......
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Yea....then explain to me why the vast overwhelming majority of legal immigrants despise him too. My wife is a legal immigrant. This will be her first POTUS election. She thinks Trump is a NAZI. So does ALL, not most, of her family. I know quite a few immigrants, virtually all of them are legal. To a person they despise Trump. How do you reconcile that?
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
I'm more of an observer than a listener. And my observations lead me to conclude that Hillary would do well in not underestimating Trump.
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Agreed. The surest way for her to lose is to believe that her winning is inevitable. There is no doubting though that as unpopular as she may be with many Americans she has a huge advantage over both Trump and Cruz.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Granted that there have been a lot of people who have underestimated Trump. I have not been one of them. Problem is I know a sales pitch when I see one and I also know a bridge to far when I see one. Trumps political calculus has worked surprisingly well in the primaries and he's done it for far less coin than most of his opponents. But the general is a different critter. You're not dealing with activist here and, when you look at the numbers for the point of view of the Electoral College, Trumps odds in the general look rather bleak.
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The problem with polls this far out is that they're only good for spotting trends. This is April and the elections not till November. What should be at least mildly unsettling if you're a Hillary supporter is that the gap between Hillary and Trump as gotten smaller and not bigger.

If Trump starts to lower his unfavorables with minorities and woman, that's not going to bode well for OP's proposition that there's going to be a surge of #NeverTrump voters showing up for Hillary. Also, keep in mind that Trump hasn't really unloaded on Hillary yet. I can't imagine him not being effective, given his track record.

They may say to hell with it and wish a pox on both their houses lol. They'll stay home if that's the case.
 
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