Voter fraud.....

NOVA

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Question put to thingy.....

So how much voter fraud is acceptable to you ?...Gore lost by 537 votes out of almost 6,000,000.....
8 fraudulent votes per county.....is that what you see as insignificant, that does not affect elections....

Is that acceptable ?

Thingy, evince, and Leontheass, say its acceptable....how about opinions from
the rest you....I'm curious
 
http://www.nytimes.com/1986/10/25/us/gop-memo-tells-of-black-vote-cut.html

G.O.P. MEMO TELLS OF BLACK VOTE CUT
By MARTIN TOLCHIN, Special to the New York Times
Published: October 25, 1986
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WASHINGTON, Oct. 24— A Federal judge today released a memorandum in which a Republican official said the party's program to pare the voting rolls in the name of ''ballot integrity'' ''could keep the black vote down considerably'' in a Louisiana Senate primary.
The memorandum, prepared by Kris Wolfe, a Middle Western regional director for the Republican National Committee, was sent to Lanny Griffith, the committee's regional director for the South. It was obtained by the Democratic National Committee in a $10 million lawsuit against the Republican committee over the ''ballot integrity'' program.
Republicans contended that the purpose of the program was to prevent voter fraud, and not to lower the number of black voters. They say the reference to a reduction in the black vote referred only to a possible effect of the program in the Louisiana election and not to its goal. Democrats, however, have charged that the purpose was to ''harass, intimidate and improperly challenge'' black voters.
The program involved sending letters this year to registered voters in areas that voted 75 percent or more for Walter F. Mondale for President in 1984. If a letter was returned as undeliverable, the Republicans said, they might challenge the addressee's right to cast a ballot. The program was conducted in Louisiana, Indiana and Missouri. Effect on Black Vote
Ms. Wolfe's memorandum concerned the ''ballot integrity'' project in Louisiana, in a Senate primary race pitting Representative W. Henson Moore, a Republican, against Representative John B. Breaux, a Democrat. The memo was unsealed by Judge Dickinson R. Debevoise in Newark Federal District Court.
''I would guess that this program will eliminate at least 60-80,000 folks from the rolls,'' Ms. Wolfe wrote. ''If it's a close race, which I'm assuming it is, this could keep the black vote down considerably.''
Mr. Moore has denied that his campaign was involved in the program. But in the memo, Ms. Wolfe mentioned a conversation with a campaign worker for Mr. Moore.
''I have talked to Mary Anne at the Moore headquarters and she Fed Expressed the tapes of the parish on floppy disks'' and on paper to campaign officials, the memo said. In Louisiana a parish corresponds to a county.
Judge Debevoise had sealed all documents in the case, but David Boies, a lawyer for the Democrats, told the judge today that he wanted the document unsealed so that he could refer to it in questioning Ms Wolfe on the witness stand.
Ms. Wolfe testified that the sentences about black voters were a reminder that the program created ''a political situation that somebody in Louisiana might bring up.'' Parties Offer 2 Viewpoints
Frank J. Fahrenkopf Jr., chairman of the Republican National Committee, said in a statement today that Ms. Wolfe's testimony ''shows there has never been, nor is there now, any program at the Republican National Committee designed to intimidate or discourage any voter from exercising his or her right to vote.''
''We have said all along that the purpose of the program was to help election officials make certain that no dead or fictitious persons vote,'' he said.
But Paul G. Kirk Jr., the Democratic national chairman, said: ''The Republican voter intimidation program has been exposed in all its ugly hypocrisy. The internal memorandum the R.N.C. has been attempting to hide reveals that their so-called 'ballot integrity' project was nothing more than a cynical attempt to disenfranchise blacks and other minority voters.''
Bill Greener, deputy chief of staff of the Republican National Committee, referring to the hearing today, said: ''It was made abundantly clear under oath that not a single thing done had the intent or the effect of intimidating a single voter. It was clearly explained that what was meant in that memo was that the black vote tally could be reduced when dead and nonexistent were removed.''
''The Democrats are seeking short-term political gain through misrepresentation of the facts,'' he added.
Mark Braden, counsel to the Republican National Committee, said on the witness stand today that the purpose of the Republican plan in Louisiana was ''to keep 'vacant lots' from voting.'' Program Began in 1960's
He testified that the overall voter integrity program was started in the 1960's. In discussions with regional Republican officials, Mr. Braden said, ''I wanted to be explicitly clear'' that black voters were not the target of the program.
The Republican National Committee agreed Monday to abandon further efforts to carry out the ''ballot integrity'' program, and persuaded the judge to seal the documents in the case.
The Democrats later learned, however, that the Republicans intended to continue the program in Michigan's Sixth Congressional District, which pits Representative Bob Carr, a Democrat, against Jim Dunn, a Republican from whom Mr. Carr won the seat in 1982.
Democrats turned down a Republican offer to stipulate that the party would not use the program in the Carr-Dunn race. Instead, the Democrats sought a court order. But Judge Debevoise accepted the stipulation.
 
I responded to you on the other thread. You sprinted away, as you always do.

If you think the 2000 election was decided by fraud, why are you only speaking up about it now?
 
http://judicialview.com/Court-Cases...tee-v-Republican-National-Committee/10/201975


Democratic National Committee v Republican National Committee

Case No. 09-4615 (C.A. 3, Mar. 8, 2012)
In 1982, the Republican National Committee (“RNC”) and the Democratic National Committee (“DNC”) entered into a consent decree (the “Decree” or “Consent Decree”), which is national in scope, limiting the RNC’s ability to engage or assist in voter fraud prevention unless the RNC obtains the court’s approval in advance. The RNC appeals from a judgment of the United States District Court for the District of New Jersey denying, in part, the RNC’s Motion to Vacate or Modify the Consent Decree. Although the District Court declined to vacate the Decree, it did make modifications to the Decree. The RNC argues that the District Court abused its discretion by modifying the Decree as it did and by declining to vacate the Decree. For the following reasons, we will affirm the District Court’s judgment.

I. BACKGROUND


A. 1981 Lawsuit and Consent Decree


During the 1981 New Jersey gubernatorial election, the DNC, the New Jersey Democratic State Committee (“DSC”), Virginia L. Peggins, and Lynette Monroe brought an action against the RNC, the New Jersey Republican State Committee (“RSC”), John A. Kelly, Ronald Kaufman, and Alex Hurtado, alleging that the RNC and RSC targeted minority voters in an effort to intimidate them in violation of the Voting Rights Act of 1965 (“VRA”), 42 U.S.C. §§ 1971, 1973, and the Fourteenth and Fifteenth Amendments to the Constitution of the United States. The RNC allegedly created a voter challenge list by mailing sample ballots to individuals in precincts with a high percentage of racial or ethnic minority registered voters and, then, including individuals whose postcards were returned as undeliverable on a list of voters to challenge at the polls. The RNC also allegedly enlisted the help of off-duty sheriffs and police officers to intimidate voters by standing at polling places in minority precincts during voting with “National Ballot Security Task Force” armbands. Some of the officers allegedly wore firearms in a visible manner.

To settle the lawsuit, the RNC and RSC entered into the Consent Decree at issue here. The RNC and RSC agreed that they would:

n the future, in all states and territories of the United States:

(a) comply with all applicable state and federal laws protecting the rights of duly qualified citizens to vote for the candidate(s) of their choice;

(b) in the event that they produce or place any signs which are part of ballot security activities, cause said signs to disclose that they are authorized or sponsored by the party committees and any other committees participating with the party committees;

(c) refrain from giving any directions to or permitting their agents or employees to remove or deface any lawfully printed and placed campaign materials or signs;

(d) refrain from giving any directions to or permitting their employees to campaign within restricted polling areas or to interrogate prospective voters as to their qualifications to vote prior to their entry to a polling place;

(e) refrain from undertaking any ballot security activities in polling places or election districts where the racial or ethnic composition of such districts is a factor in the decision to conduct, or the actual conduct of, such activities there and where a purpose or significant effect of such activities is to deter qualified voters from voting; and the conduct of such activities disproportionately in or directed toward districts that have a substantial proportion of racial or ethnic populations shall be considered relevant evidence of the existence of such a factor and purpose;

(f) refrain from having private personnel deputized as law enforcement personnel in connection with ballot security activities.
 
What makes you think the very rare and very inconsequential voter fraud is not a two way street?
Republican fraud would likely completely cancel out any Democratic fraud.
It's probably a wash.

Poor Blabo.
 
I responded to you on the other thread. You sprinted away, as you always do.

If you think the 2000 election was decided by fraud, why are you only speaking up about it now?

I already got your opinion, I'm interested and curious about what others think.....

And I'll thank evince if she'd stop spamming my thread.
 
I know the answer to this, by the way.

You should...I answered it in the other thread...

Its possible that just 8 fraudulent votes in each Florida county separated prevented Gore from winning that election....not that I wanted him to win of course. And to set the record stright, I didn't think there was voter fraud in Fla....I'm just pointing out what might/could/or be possible .....there and everywhere in the country....all it would take was a few fraudulent vote here and there
to tip an election one way or the other.
....thats why taking measures to prevent it are so important.....

and I'll add, elections aren't just presidential...a few votes in local elections are even more susceptible to a few illegal votes...where
they might be won or lose by single digit counts....
 
It's only natural that they would try to get efficient in the process. That said, 0 instances are acceptable. Photo I'd and inked ththumbs are a good starting point.
 
You should...I answered it in the other thread...

Its possible that just 8 fraudulent votes in each Florida county separated prevented Gore from winning that election....not that I wanted him to win of course. And to set the record stright, I didn't think there was voter fraud in Fla....I'm just pointing out what might/could/or be possible .....there and everywhere in the country....all it would take was a few fraudulent vote here and there
to tip an election one way or the other.
....thats why taking measures to prevent it are so important.....

That's impressive spin, even for you.

We're a nation of 300 million. They take extremely extensive measures to prevent voter fraud. To expect "zero" is to not understand the basic concepts of mathematics. Statistically speaking, it is zero.

You're just in a tizzy because you're 100% in the tank for Trump now.
 
That's impressive spin, even for you.

We're a nation of 300 million. They take extremely extensive measures to prevent voter fraud. To expect "zero" is to not understand the basic concepts of mathematics. Statistically speaking, it is zero.

You're just in a tizzy because you're 100% in the tank for Trump now.

1. Dead people voting in Colorado.

A CBS affiliate’s evidence of voter fraud in Colorado in September sparked an immediate investigation by Secretary of State Wayne Williams. A report in Denver exposed multiple incidents in recent years where dead Coloradans were still voting. A dead World War II veteran named John Grosso voted in a 2006 primary election, and a woman named Sara Sosa who died in 2009 cast ballots in 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2013. Mrs. Sosa’s husband Miguel died in 2008, but a vote was cast in his name one year later.

2. Illegals found voting in Virginia; only discovered after they self-reported.

A study by the watchdog Public Interest Legal Foundation found in just eight Virginia counties, 1,046 alien non-citizens successfully registered to vote. These aliens were only accidentally caught because when they renewed their driver’s license and self-reported, telling authorities they were a non-citizen. This study doesn’t even include the metropolises of Fairfax County and Arlington. Moreover, the FBI opened an investigation in the state after 20 dead people turned in applications to vote.

3. Some Pennsylvania citizens voting twice.

Last year, Pennsylvania’s secretary of state admitted data showed more than 700 Pennsylvania voters might have cast two ballots in recent elections, yet said she’s powerless to investigate or prosecute double voters.

Nearly 43,000 voters in Pennsylvania had potentially duplicate registrations in either Pennsylvania or other states, data researcher Voter Registration Data Crosscheck found.

4. Illegal voters uncovered in Philadelphia; half had previously voted.

At least 86 non-citizens have been registered voters in Philadelphia since 2013, and almost half of them have cast a ballot in a recent election, watchdog Public Interest Legal Foundation noted this month. The number was only turned up after officials received specific requests from the voters themselves to remove their names from the rolls.

“This is just the tip of the iceberg,” Joseph Vanderhulst, the watchdog’s attorney, told LifeZette on Oct. 5. “Who knows how many are on and don’t ask to be taken off?”

5. Voter rigging triggers probe in Texas.

This week, allegations of voter fraud in Tarrant County, Texas, prompted a state investigation. The suit focuses on mail-in ballots, which allows for people to vote from their homes without any ID or verification of identity. There’s concern of so-called “vote-harvesting” were political operatives fill out and return other people’s ballots, without their consent.

6. Indiana voter fraud investigation grows to 56 counties.

According to a local NBC report, Indiana State Police are in the midst of a statewide investigation into possible voter registration fraud.

“Police believe there could be hundreds of fraudulent voter registration records with different combinations of made up names and addresses with people’s real information,” NBC 12 reported.

The police encourage victims of suspected voter fraud to report it to Indiana’s secretary of state.

7. Three under investigation in Oklahoma for voting twice in the presidential primary.

An investigation is underway into three Comanche County, Oklahoma, residents who voted twice in last week’s Presidential Preferential Primary, according to the local ABC 7 News station, KSWO.

“All three submitted absentee ballots before showing up to their polling place on March 1 and voted again in person,” the report said. “The Comanche County Sheriff’s Department is investigating the case and will interview all three of them before handing the case over to the district attorney.”

8. Election fraud in Kentucky.

A Franklin County grand jury has indicted a Pike County man in June on multiple felony counts of election fraud in connection with last month’s statewide primary.

Keith Justice, 50, has been charged with four counts of intimidating an election officer and one count of interfering with an election officer in Pike County.

9. Underage voters found voting in Wisconsin’s presidential primary.

Brown County election officials in April found six cases where underage voters cast a ballot in the state’s presidential primary. County Clerk Sandy Juno told a local reporter that six 17-year-old students registered and voted. Despite five of the students presenting a valid ID, poll workers never looked at the date of birth on them or on the registration forms they filled out, Ms. Juno told local news website wearegreenbay.com. In one case, the student used a report card as identification.

10. Voter registration cards sent to illegals in Pennsylvania.

In September, the secretary of state’s office in Pennsylvania mailed about 2.5 million voter registration postcards to people who are not registered voters, but are licensed drivers. Secretary of State Pedro Cortes admitted to the House of Representatives that seven people had reported that they received voter registration cards in error, self-reporting.

State Rep. Daryl Metcalfe, a Butler County Republican who chairs the State Government Committee, said in September testimony that there’s several problem’s with the state’s voter registration system.

“There’s certainly the potential for hundreds, if not thousands, of foreigners here legally and illegally to be on our voter rolls, and a certain percentage who are casting ballots,” Mr. Metchalfe told LifeZette. “We’ve got a lot of integrity issues that need to be addressed.”

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...re-its-all-to/
 
1. Dead people voting in Colorado.

A CBS affiliate’s evidence of voter fraud in Colorado in September sparked an immediate investigation by Secretary of State Wayne Williams. A report in Denver exposed multiple incidents in recent years where dead Coloradans were still voting. A dead World War II veteran named John Grosso voted in a 2006 primary election, and a woman named Sara Sosa who died in 2009 cast ballots in 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2013. Mrs. Sosa’s husband Miguel died in 2008, but a vote was cast in his name one year later.

2. Illegals found voting in Virginia; only discovered after they self-reported.

A study by the watchdog Public Interest Legal Foundation found in just eight Virginia counties, 1,046 alien non-citizens successfully registered to vote. These aliens were only accidentally caught because when they renewed their driver’s license and self-reported, telling authorities they were a non-citizen. This study doesn’t even include the metropolises of Fairfax County and Arlington. Moreover, the FBI opened an investigation in the state after 20 dead people turned in applications to vote.

3. Some Pennsylvania citizens voting twice.

Last year, Pennsylvania’s secretary of state admitted data showed more than 700 Pennsylvania voters might have cast two ballots in recent elections, yet said she’s powerless to investigate or prosecute double voters.

Nearly 43,000 voters in Pennsylvania had potentially duplicate registrations in either Pennsylvania or other states, data researcher Voter Registration Data Crosscheck found.

4. Illegal voters uncovered in Philadelphia; half had previously voted.

At least 86 non-citizens have been registered voters in Philadelphia since 2013, and almost half of them have cast a ballot in a recent election, watchdog Public Interest Legal Foundation noted this month. The number was only turned up after officials received specific requests from the voters themselves to remove their names from the rolls.

“This is just the tip of the iceberg,” Joseph Vanderhulst, the watchdog’s attorney, told LifeZette on Oct. 5. “Who knows how many are on and don’t ask to be taken off?”

5. Voter rigging triggers probe in Texas.

This week, allegations of voter fraud in Tarrant County, Texas, prompted a state investigation. The suit focuses on mail-in ballots, which allows for people to vote from their homes without any ID or verification of identity. There’s concern of so-called “vote-harvesting” were political operatives fill out and return other people’s ballots, without their consent.

6. Indiana voter fraud investigation grows to 56 counties.

According to a local NBC report, Indiana State Police are in the midst of a statewide investigation into possible voter registration fraud.

“Police believe there could be hundreds of fraudulent voter registration records with different combinations of made up names and addresses with people’s real information,” NBC 12 reported.

The police encourage victims of suspected voter fraud to report it to Indiana’s secretary of state.

7. Three under investigation in Oklahoma for voting twice in the presidential primary.

An investigation is underway into three Comanche County, Oklahoma, residents who voted twice in last week’s Presidential Preferential Primary, according to the local ABC 7 News station, KSWO.

“All three submitted absentee ballots before showing up to their polling place on March 1 and voted again in person,” the report said. “The Comanche County Sheriff’s Department is investigating the case and will interview all three of them before handing the case over to the district attorney.”

8. Election fraud in Kentucky.

A Franklin County grand jury has indicted a Pike County man in June on multiple felony counts of election fraud in connection with last month’s statewide primary.

Keith Justice, 50, has been charged with four counts of intimidating an election officer and one count of interfering with an election officer in Pike County.

9. Underage voters found voting in Wisconsin’s presidential primary.

Brown County election officials in April found six cases where underage voters cast a ballot in the state’s presidential primary. County Clerk Sandy Juno told a local reporter that six 17-year-old students registered and voted. Despite five of the students presenting a valid ID, poll workers never looked at the date of birth on them or on the registration forms they filled out, Ms. Juno told local news website wearegreenbay.com. In one case, the student used a report card as identification.

10. Voter registration cards sent to illegals in Pennsylvania.

In September, the secretary of state’s office in Pennsylvania mailed about 2.5 million voter registration postcards to people who are not registered voters, but are licensed drivers. Secretary of State Pedro Cortes admitted to the House of Representatives that seven people had reported that they received voter registration cards in error, self-reporting.

State Rep. Daryl Metcalfe, a Butler County Republican who chairs the State Government Committee, said in September testimony that there’s several problem’s with the state’s voter registration system.

“There’s certainly the potential for hundreds, if not thousands, of foreigners here legally and illegally to be on our voter rolls, and a certain percentage who are casting ballots,” Mr. Metchalfe told LifeZette. “We’ve got a lot of integrity issues that need to be addressed.”

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...re-its-all-to/

This is like you posting that America is "less safe" under Obama by posting a few recent crime stories that you googled. It's braindead.

You think "John Grosso's" vote is a big deal, do you? Show me thousands or hundreds of votes (which would still be statistically zero). Not one or 2 - you're actually proving my point w/ that stuff. Emphatically.

Like so many things, you do not understand basic mathematics. I know you're going to whine about "personal attacks" now, but screw it. You're a fool.
 
I mean, just look at that list - 1 vote here, 3 votes there, 6 votes someplace else.

Are you really serious w/ this stuff? Do you have ANY idea how ignorant it sounds?
 
I guess NOVA & Trump's plan would be to pour even more taxpayer money into voter monitoring, to ensure that we have ZERO fraud instead of statistically meaningless fraud.

Maybe we can pay for a chaperone for every single voter? Gotta be sure, after all...
 
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