Victory for the right?

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Have conservatives won?

  • Yes

    Votes: 1 50.0%

  • No

    Votes: 1 50.0%
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\\\()/// said:
So because you thought I "implied" something, you want to ban me?
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And you wonder why people call you a troll? Because you're incapable of carrying on a rational discussion. If I were to ask what color the sky is, you'd say "Christmas" or "Aardvark." You are a lunatic.
 
c'est la vie said:
And you wonder why people call you a troll? Because you're incapable of carrying on a rational discussion. If I were to ask what color the sky is, you'd say "Christmas" or "Aardvark." You are a lunatic.
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Another straw man.

Tell me how much you love the Constitution, especially that pesky First Amendment.
 
c'est la vie said:
It is silly for conservatives to pretend that SCOTUS' decision wasn't a victory for liberalism, or even more ridiculously, that Roberts was handing a victory to Republicans so they could use it as a campaign issue. Both of these opinions are delusional.

However, victory in a battle does not mean there will be victory in a war. Liberals have won a battle, but I do not believe they will win the war of ideas.
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Funny. I thought liberals won that war on September 17, 1787? You know when a revolutoniary group of liberals rejected the rule of Kings and determined that government can only rule by the consent of the governed. They won again in 1864 when it was determined all men must be free. They won again in 1890 when liberals made it law that all men get a fair shake and they won again in 1920, 1964 and 1971 when all adult citizens gained the right to vote and they won again in 1933 when liberals said we had the right to get blind stinking drunk in our homes if we want too.

Denial isn't just a river in Egypt.
 
leaningright said:
I do agree Mr. Voltaire....say la ve or whoever you are this week. What happened this week was nothing less than a victory for the left. Ain't no amount of spin gonna change that.
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It's neither a victory or a loss. That's why this issue shouldn't be politicized. It's the begining of much needed reform to our health care industry and this is just progress towards making those reforms. This is just a first step.
 
c'est la vie said:
I agree. But is it the only, best, and most cost-effective way to provide relief for the uninsured? My primary objection is that it addresses the symptom (expensive health insurance) rather than the cause. As a result, costs will continue to skyrocket.
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Tell us oh omniscient one. What is the fundamental problem?
 
What proof does the omniscient one offer to substantiate his prediction that "costs will continue to skyrocket"?
 
Onceler said:
In general, there are very few issues in history where progressive ideas haven't won out in the end; very few.

On healthcare, I wasn't a big ACA guy - but it does have a lot of positives.

I have yet to hear any significant conservative "ideas" on what to do about healthcare & the uninsured. The GOP used to be better at ideas in general, particularly during the Reagan years. But now they are somewhat bereft of them.
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I have a few ideas as a fairly conservative individual. What I would like will never happen though. I would like to stop sending money to countries that view us as an enemy. I would like to stop purchasing oil from the Middle East and start using ours WHILE working to develop alternate sources of energy. I would like to stop spending billions on a war that will change nothing. I would like to scale back the military ... some. I definitely don't want to gut it but there's got to be some savings somewhere. I would like to see taxes rolled back (up) to the 90's levels. Doing these things should raise at least some revenue with which we could get more coverage for some folks.

The big problem as I see it is the medical costs. From doctors visits to procedures such as x-rays and such to prescriptions. Costs are out of control. I don't see how the government can cap costs and still call it free commerce. Maybe we can since we can tell a farmer how much wheat he can grow in his land (yes, Jarod, I read Justice Robert's majority decision as you asked). But the high price of medical care is the biggest problem, IMO. I do not have an answer to this. Government trained and employed doctors maybe...I don't know.

I was not against more people getting coverage...that is a wonderful thing to me. I have bee involved in heading up and/or cooking for so many fundraisers for people with catastrophic illnesses that I've lost count. My problem is, which I know I have stated, is I am concerned we can't pay for it given the current circumstances.
 
Stupid Proles said:
politically I am not sure how much this supreme court decision will effect the election honestly.

On the republican side, the claim is it's firing up the base. But the base already hated obamas guts. I don't think that changed anything.

Nationally, last I checked (and it may have changed) healthcare being an important issue for voters was around 7%. The economy, and jobs, still remains THE electoral issue.

I don't think obama gained much from this either, but he did prevent a loss. I think the problem obama would have had if the ACA was ruled unconstitutional, would be the fact that he wasted all his political capital and clout on something that didn't even come to fruition. With that being juxtoposed with the economy, it would make him look entirely ineffective, and a time waster. Now at least people realize it wasn't all for naught. He got something done. He was effective. Something to show for his efforts. That's a good selling point for him.

But the bill itself is meaningless when it comes to the 2012 election, it's more about his narrative. The said, people still are having problems with the economy, and it's an economy issue election, not a healthcare one.
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I pretty much agree. Oh I think it's an issue where a candidate can shoot himself in the foot but it's not what's going to drive the election. This is more significant in regards to Obama's legacy. This is a significant accomplishment.
 
Onceler said:
In general, there are very few issues in history where progressive ideas haven't won out in the end; very few.

On healthcare, I wasn't a big ACA guy - but it does have a lot of positives.

I have yet to hear any significant conservative "ideas" on what to do about healthcare & the uninsured. The GOP used to be better at ideas in general, particularly during the Reagan years. But now they are somewhat bereft of them.
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That's highly debatable. I can show you myriad examples of just exatly that.
 
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