Vegas teen told cops ‘I’ll be out in 30 days’ after killing

NiftyNiblick said:
It's clear that our minds work very differently
so there's no validity to thinking that all people are basically the same.

First of all, you said "death penalty."
Execution is a penalty.
Merciful euthanasia is not a penalty.
It's a necessary expedience.

There's more there, TOP, than just a little bit of nuance.
Are you punishing a pet that you must put down?

Lethal injection with no anesthesia is execution.
Lethal inject under anesthesia is not. It's euthanasia.

Then you said that they "lost their right to freedom."
That implies guilt.
How is it possible for the insane to be guilty?

If, God forbid [just a common expression meaning that we hope it doesn't happen, not a declaration of faith],
you were to have a heart attack,
and in the act of falling,
you crash through a storefront window,
should you be charged with vandalism?

Mental illness is caused by an imbalance in brain chemistry.
How is mental illness more incriminating than other organic illnesses?

Finally, as for God, despite countless opportunities,
said deity has never chosen to reveal itself to me.

I enjoy life when I'm having a good time
and curse it as an imposition when I'm not.

Given that none of us got to either request or get a pass on existing,
that's what makes the most sense to me
for a person who didn't ask to exist.

Our conversations continue to give us insights
in how very differently human beings can be mentally configured.

A political forum will never solve any disagreements,
but if we're of an inclination to do so,
we can maybe understand one another better.
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Very few secular humanist support the death penalty, more agree with TOP, they should educated.
 
volsrock said:
Vegas teen told cops ‘I’ll be out in 30 days’ after he was nabbed in killing of retired top cop chief in hit-and-run: report


The teen driver who allegedly mowed down a retired police chief in a fatal hit-and-run told Las Vegas police he would be back on the streets in under a month, according to a report.

Jesus Ayala is accused of driving a stolen Hyundai Elantra on Aug. 14 along with Jzamir Keys, 16, and deliberately crashing and killing Andreas “Andy” Probst, 64, who had been riding his bike, a disturbing video showed.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crim...n&cvid=06adea6543504982a9afc429ed0c97b3&ei=13

Thanks Libs...because of u he thinks he will get a slap on the wrist, no bond etc etc

Wonder if he still would have done this if he knew there would be no bond at all

And a min sentence of 50 years for hit and run no parole

MAYBE NOT


Fact is POS will commit more crime if they know the system will be soft on them...the above is proof of that
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In fact, he was wrong about the system going light on him. He has that in common with you.
 
Phantasmal said:
Your explanation was ridiculous, it’s still dying for your crime.
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Here's the thing, Phan.

You quoted the entirety of a very long post,
and then you made a short remark referencing absolutely none of it.

That wasn't ridiculous to you?
And are you totally oblivious to nuance?

"It's still dying for your crime."
Are you serious?
 
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NiftyNiblick said:
It's clear that our minds work very differently
so there's no validity to thinking that all people are basically the same.

First of all, you said "death penalty."
Execution is a penalty.
Merciful euthanasia is not a penalty.
It's a necessary expedience.

There's more there, TOP, than just a little bit of nuance.
Are you punishing a pet that you must put down?

Lethal injection with no anesthesia is execution.
Lethal inject under anesthesia is not. It's euthanasia.

Then you said that they "lost their right to freedom."
That implies guilt.
How is it possible for the insane to be guilty?

If, God forbid [just a common expression meaning that we hope it doesn't happen, not a declaration of faith],
you were to have a heart attack,
and in the act of falling,
you crash through a storefront window,
should you be charged with vandalism?

Mental illness is caused by an imbalance in brain chemistry.
How is mental illness more incriminating than other organic illnesses?

Finally, as for God, despite countless opportunities,
said deity has never chosen to reveal itself to me.

I enjoy life when I'm having a good time
and curse it as an imposition when I'm not.

Given that none of us got to either request or get a pass on existing,
that's what makes the most sense to me
for a person who didn't ask to exist.

Our conversations continue to give us insights
in how very differently human beings can be mentally configured.

A political forum will never solve any disagreements,
but if we're of an inclination to do so,
we can maybe understand one another better.
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I would never put an animal to sleep unless they were suffering ... as you know that's quite a difficult decision to make sometimes... if I have a heart attack and fall through a store window my family needs to sue them for having a faulty window that possibly contributed to my death if the heart attack didn't do it... as for God I totally believe in him... I believe in heaven I believe in the Rainbow Bridge.... I have no reason not to...;) have a great time when things are going well and deal with it when things are going not so well... it's just that simple no question about requesting or passing on existence... as for these boys or for any other human who takes a life or lives... May the punishment fit the crime...
 
TOP said:
.. as for these boys or for any other human who takes a life or lives... May the punishment fit the crime...
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The crime was being mentally ill.
People shouldn't be punished for being sick.
While execution and incarceration are both punishment, merciful euthanasia is not.

That's the three sentence version of my long post.
Regardless of who does or doesn't agree,
it does at least explain my point of view quite precisely, I believe.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
The crime was being mentally ill.
People shouldn't be punished for being sick.
While execution and incarceration are both punishment, merciful euthanasia is not.

That's the three sentence version of my long post.
Regardless of who does or doesn't agree,
it does at least explain my point of view quite precisely, I believe.
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That crime was not being mentally ill...
 
BartenderElite said:
This thread is ridiculous, even by JPP standards.

Because this guy said he'll be out in 30 days, it's true - and it's all thanks to the "libs?"

Spoiler alert: he won't be out in 30 days, and this entire story has zilch to do w/ "the libs."
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No he won't be out in 30 days

The fact that he thought he would be out in 30 days ....is because of the no bail crap and soft on crime that is out of control in America

And why would he think that because of the no bail issues and soft on crime in major blue cities...and that is because of Libs





If someone thinks they can steal a TV and if caught get let out no bail and probation vs held without bail and 2 yrs in jail no parole .... In the first case he's taking the TV no ifs and butts.... In the second case he may really think about not taking that TV
 
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NiftyNiblick said:
The crime was being mentally ill.
People shouldn't be punished for being sick.
While execution and incarceration are both punishment, merciful euthanasia is not.

That's the three sentence version of my long post.
Regardless of who does or doesn't agree,
it does at least explain my point of view quite precisely, I believe.
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Being mean and a piece of shit and not giving a fuck is not mentally ill...the POS was raised that way it's their culture

I'm sure he saw plenty of his family members and Friends get caught for doing bad things and we're back out on the street same day or within a few days. And if they did get jail time they were out after serving only a fraction of their sentence
 
Phantasmal said:
Very few secular humanist support the death penalty, more agree with TOP, they should educated.
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School that will last their lifetime... with parole possible when they are the age of the gentleman they killed... this was the second one he hit on a bike with a car...
To add to a lengthy criminal record.. let these kids who aren't afraid to kill know the penalty that they will face if that's what they choose to do...
 
They should execute the driver and live stream it on Tic Tok so any young punks that think it is a good idea to kill people can see it.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
Here's the thing, Phan.

You quoted the entirety of a very long post,
and then you made a short remark referencing absolutely none of it.

That wasn't ridiculous to you?
And are you totally oblivious to nuance?

"It's still dying for your crime."
Are you serious?
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I guess I’ll just stop addressing you if you don’t like my exchanges. Bye
 
Phantasmal said:
I guess I’ll just stop addressing you if you don’t like my exchanges. Bye
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That's certainly your prerogative, Phan.

I'm not angry with you,
but from what I'm told,
it's pretty easy to get angry with me.

Not my fault, however.
I didn't get to draw my own blueprint.
None of us gets to draw his/her own blueprint.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
Well, there's the crux of our disagreement.

I don't think that sane people do what the perps did.
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Those kids were brought up to be evil creatures... they knew what they were doing was wrong and showed no remorse... and this is the second time that kid has hit somebody on a bike..the other gentleman survived ...but you may be right...this has been going on for so long that there's surely some degree of mental illness involved... but insanity? I am sure that they'll do psych evaluations.... but those boys know how to play the game...
 
TOP said:
Those kids were brought up to be evil creatures... they knew what they were doing was wrong and showed no remorse... and this is the second time that kid has hit somebody on a bike..the other gentleman survived ...but you may be right...this has been going on for so long that there's surely some degree of mental illness involved... but insanity? I am sure that they'll do psych evaluations.... but those boys know how to play the game...
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Knowing right from wrong is the definition of sanity in criminal law.
The most accomplished scholars on the subject,
globally,
would not be impressed with that definition.

I guess that I'm elitist enough to go with the scholars.
For being just a working class prick, I never was a very successful populist.

Right and wrong is for Bible Class.
Functional and Dysfunctional is for serious discussion.

Do not feel alone, however, in disagreeing with this.
I've been having this argument for most of my life.

Not much to be done about that, I guess.
It all goes back to being who we are.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
Knowing right from wrong is the definition of sanity in criminal law.
The most accomplished scholars on the subject,
globally,
would not be impressed with that definition.

I guess that I'm elitist enough to go with the scholars.
For being just a working class prick, I never was a very successful populist.

Right and wrong is for Bible Class.
Functional and Dysfunctional is for serious discussion.

Do not feel alone, however, in disagreeing with this.
I've been having this argument for most of my life.

Not much to be done about that, I guess.
It all goes back to being who we are.
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You make a great deal of sense... until the euthanasia thing pops up and then I lose you.... I guess when I think of insanity I think of the psychiatric hospital where I was employed for a bit... now those people were insane.... six different levels of insane... Insanity that required institutionalization and locked doors.... anyway..We definitely need better Mental Health Care Facilities in this country don't we? On at least six different levels...
 
They charged the white boys parents in Michigan and he was just planing to kill


They need to charge these POS parents also, they also planned and really killed
 
TOP said:
Those kids were brought up to be evil creatures... they knew what they were doing was wrong and showed no remorse... and this is the second time that kid has hit somebody on a bike..the other gentleman survived ...but you may be right...this has been going on for so long that there's surely some degree of mental illness involved... but insanity? I am sure that they'll do psych evaluations.... but those boys know how to play the game...
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They are psychopaths and psychopaths aren't curable so they should not survive jail.
 
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