Where did I say that. My point, is that the pharmaceuticals are not solely dependent on vaccines.
Vaccines and autism
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Where did I say that. My point, is that the pharmaceuticals are not solely dependent on vaccines.
well, if you're so confident, you go right ahead and load junior up with vaccines before he's 2 if you'd like. Personally, if I were a parent there's no way I'd be willing to take a chance and dismiss the accounts of thousands of parents because a lab was unable to find the link. However you do have the 'research' to back up your beliefs. I'm not going to dispute that.
One more thing, I have read that since they have taken out something in the vaccines about 10 years ago or so, there has been a slight dip in occurrences of autism. But, I guess since scientists haven't been able to prove it must not be relevant.
Source? That contradicts your earlier source. My understanding is the numbers have grown over the last ten years, especially in states that offer the best benefits to parents of autistic children.
Nope. I said they are not going to go broke, not that they have no financial interest in vaccines.
http://www.aapsonline.org/press/nr-03-02-2006.php
An article in the March 10, 2006 issue of the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons (JPandS.org) shows that since mercury was removed from childhood vaccines, the alarming increase in reported rates of autism and other neurological disorders (NDs) in children not only stopped, but actually dropped sharply – by as much as 35%.
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I don't remember it being that much actually. I thought it was statistically insignificant.
I don't feel like googling all night. The fact is overall rates are sky high and its congruent with introduction of vaccine inundating. Given the accounts of many parents, I'd never be willing to take that chance with my child's life especially given the fact that a lot of these vaccines are for things that they won't likely die from. Waiting until their 9 or 10 to give them an hepatitis vaccine won't be the end the of world.
Minister of Truth
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No. I am simply asking a question because it was on the list that the doctor specifically mentioned as "deadly diseases".
Let me put it this way. My kids were vaccinated against it.
I was asking a question. One that you cannot, apparently, answer in the affirmative.
I know many people who had this disease. I know of nobody who died from it. It is not my experience that this is a particularly deadly disease, so I asked to see if anybody had that experience. That was all.
You are reading an opinion into something that was not meant to express an opinion.
Do you know what the death percentages is in places that do not vaccinate? What was it here before the vaccination became commonplace?
Seriously. I'm fascinated. It's like reading about people dying from the flu.
Are there worse versions of the measles that are more deadly?
I simply don't know a ton about it.
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Oh great. Then you guys can team up on the skeptics again.
She once said nothing could convince her that vaccines didn't cause her sons autism, and as I know from my dealings with other irrational true believers, that is absolutely true.
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It is the fastest growing developmental disability not because the incidence is actually growing, but because it is actually being diagnosed now. This is just another incidence of "correlation equals causation" fallacy that pseudoscience demagogues throw around.
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I will. They are harmless and there is no direct evidence to tell anyone otherwise.
Thousands of pieces of bad evidence does not equal a single piece of good evidence. No matter how high you pack cow patties, it isn't going to turn into a bar of gold.
This is one of the most common arguments of believers in unproven pseudoscience. For instance, what do you think a person who believes in UFO's is going to argue? There is no good evidence to back it up. So "are you really going to deny the thousands of people who claim to have seen UFO's"?!
Yes, I am. Now come back when you have a single piece of good evidence. If it is true, it shouldn't be that fucking difficult.
Alright.
Not scientists, not anyone. There hasn't been a single piece of good observable evidence to back it up. The rational explanation is that parents usually give their children vaccines around the time that the symptoms of autism showed up, and, as is usual, in their emotional outbursts decided to disregard reasonableness and blame the vaccines. It could as well be baby food, breast feeding, or anything else there giving their children around the time.
And once they've established the false link, there is nothing that is going to convince a true believer otherwise.
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I think that the reason that people in some of those countries (i.e. India) may have a higher casualty rate if they get measles is because they are not very healthy to begin with. If there were stats outlining the demographics (socioeconomic would probably be an important factor) people in lower economic strata would have higher mortality rates because they weren't very robust and able to deal with the disease in the first place.
I had all that stuff as a kid. We had the usual inoculations against diptheria, whooping cough, tetanus, polio, smallpox, and perhaps one other, but I got both kinds of measles, chicken pox, and mumps, and a mild case of tonsillitis. The only consequence was that if my sister and I were down with one or another at the same time we drove our poor mother nuts. So I'm immunized naturally, apparently. Nothing serious happened because we were so well prepared and so healthy basically.
I think a lot of it is to avoid the irrational blame they put on themselves. That is, autism appears to be hereditary. Many people blame themselves if their child suffers from some ailment that is hereditary. So to avoid that guilt they insist on shifting the cause.
It's stupid for a parent to blame themselves.
Yeah, that's why I wanted to see comparative stats. It was a relatively rare occurrence. It's cool that we can keep even those 450 from dying if we're smart enough to vaccinate. I see no reason for my children to suffer something that is so easily stopped. I can see it being more deadly in other places. It just peaked my curiosity to see a disease that I had seen so often listed as particularly deadly.
I believe that most of the fear of Autism is simply better capacity for diagnosis rather than a link to immunizations. I know a few kids with mild Autism (teaching the kids class at Ninjitsu) and most people had friends that acted like they do when they were children. I think in the past many people were never diagnosed and am unconvinced that the instances are actually higher because of any action we have taken.
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There are a number of reasons people could come to this superstitious belief. Vaccines already were considered bad by conspiracy theorists. All the conspiracy theorists had to do was find some grieving parents to prey on and spread their false beliefs with. Once that happened, other parents started logging onto the internet, and as soon as they read about vaccination and autism, the story of their childs autism invariably became exaggerated over time to fit with other parents - just like a person who saw they sighted a UFO turns a flashing lighthouse into a terrifying flying saucer in their memory without any real malicious intent. It wan't purposeful at all, it's just natural to exagerate something to fit your beliefs. That's what happens with the placebo effect.
And why doesn't any of the research point out vaccines link to autism? Why, that's easy to explain away. All you need is a big conspiracy to suppress the results! This has all the hallmarks of other classic pseudoscience and conspiracies.
TexasMeg
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I can only tell you what I have learned through all of this. It does no good for me to get worked up or emotional about this topic because that doesn't do anyone any good. All I can do is let you in on what I have learned. I have sat in many doctors' offices and been told many things, as well as spent hundreds of hours reading and researching myself. These are the highlights:
* Autism is a spectrum disorder and each person diagnosed has their own individual set of symptoms.
* Autism IS genetic...doctors know this. Autism is ALSO triggered by something environmental...doctors know this as well. What they admittedly don't know is what that environmental trigger(s) is.
* Scientists have not proven that vaccines cause Autism, nor have they been able to disprove it.
* Vaccines have been proven to cause immunological disorders in some children, and even death. There has already been one lawsuit won in which it was proven that vaccines did indeed cause an immunological disorder which then did trigger autism in a child. Currently there is a massive class action lawsuit in the works.
* Vaccines are in place for the greater good, and they are definitely necessary. There is NO reason, however, that a child needs 36 vaccinations before the age of 3. It won't harm a child to spread them out and break them up. The binding agents used in multiple dose vaccines contain harmful ingredients that have been outlawed in many other countries.
Here is a link that I found very informative when I was doing my research. Each of the names offers research and evidence to support much of what I have said.
http://www.thoughtfulhouse.org/conference-presentations.htm
On a personal note...I vaccinated my twins right on schedule up until 15 months. Both of my children were healthy and on track with developmental milestones, and it was only my son that had a severe reaction to the MMR. He became very ill and then just didn't "snap out of it". All words were lost, eye contact lost, and smiles gone. He didn't respond to his name. He was diagnosed as autistic at 18 months. This lasted for well over a year, and after much research, diet alterations, and biomedical treatments he is now a typically developing 3 1/2 year old and no longer on the spectrum. I plan to resume vaccinations, one at a time, on both of my children at age 4.
* Autism is a spectrum disorder and each person diagnosed has their own individual set of symptoms.
* Autism IS genetic...doctors know this. Autism is ALSO triggered by something environmental...doctors know this as well. What they admittedly don't know is what that environmental trigger(s) is.
* Scientists have not proven that vaccines cause Autism, nor have they been able to disprove it.
* Vaccines have been proven to cause immunological disorders in some children, and even death. There has already been one lawsuit won in which it was proven that vaccines did indeed cause an immunological disorder which then did trigger autism in a child. Currently there is a massive class action lawsuit in the works.
* Vaccines are in place for the greater good, and they are definitely necessary. There is NO reason, however, that a child needs 36 vaccinations before the age of 3. It won't harm a child to spread them out and break them up. The binding agents used in multiple dose vaccines contain harmful ingredients that have been outlawed in many other countries.
Here is a link that I found very informative when I was doing my research. Each of the names offers research and evidence to support much of what I have said.
http://www.thoughtfulhouse.org/conference-presentations.htm
On a personal note...I vaccinated my twins right on schedule up until 15 months. Both of my children were healthy and on track with developmental milestones, and it was only my son that had a severe reaction to the MMR. He became very ill and then just didn't "snap out of it". All words were lost, eye contact lost, and smiles gone. He didn't respond to his name. He was diagnosed as autistic at 18 months. This lasted for well over a year, and after much research, diet alterations, and biomedical treatments he is now a typically developing 3 1/2 year old and no longer on the spectrum. I plan to resume vaccinations, one at a time, on both of my children at age 4.