US Should Dump NATO, and the UN

[Grokmaster]

It would be hilarious to someone with a functioning brain. As for you...you just wouldn't understand it.

By the way, most people here do kick your ass...and have you for help. YOU help kick your own ass with the petty, childish posting to which you are addicted.

Please continue. I am enjoying your squirming more than you can imagine.

 

[archives]

Fuck the Eurosleaze; they need us a helluva lot more than we need them, and they consistently fall short of their duty.

Their current refusal to assist at Gulf of Hormuz is just the latest example, and they need the Straight open far more than we do,

Fuck 'em; the UN , too.

Let them defend themselves.

America should withdraw from NATO immediately​

Trump’s “Board of Peace” might sound ridiculous, and perhaps it is. But it’s no more ridiculous than claiming NATO is a board of peace.

That phrase now circulates in respectable company, with a straight face, as though repetition alone could make it true. It cannot. NATO was not born as a peace club, but as a military alliance with a narrow defensive purpose — specifically, to prevent the Soviet Union from rolling tanks across Western Europe.


It was a disciplined arrangement built on deterrence, limits and defined aims. It worked because it knew what it was — and what it was not.

That NATO is gone.

The Cold War ended. The Warsaw Pact dissolved. The Soviet Union collapsed. Rather than declare victory and stand down, NATO did the opposite. It expanded. It moralized. It wandered, a defensive pact without a clear enemy. Like most institutions that outlive their purpose and go looking for relevance, it found trouble instead.

https://thehill.com/opinion/5702494-trump-nato-peace-board/

Your “John Mac Ghlionn” opinion piece could have been written by Putin himself, it’s like Russia isn’t a threat even though they surprise attacked a neighboring county with the intent of taking it over. Of course NATO was “born as a defense alliance,” and it exists today as rhe same, as noted, Putin’s invasion of the Ukraine shows it is needed, or I suppose “John Mac Ghilonn” would rather have Putin just invade any nation he sees fit

Not only the Europeans who didn’t assist in Trump’s war, even his ME buddies who give him planes and such didn’t step forward

 

[Into the Night]

tRump was just begging them for help.

Or did you forget that already?

He asked them to help. They didn't. THAT WAS GROKMASTER'S POINT!

Gawd, you're thick.

 

[Into the Night]

Opposing islamists is far from being "anti-American", while supporting them/cheering them on, ,like you, DEFINES being "anti-American".

Meanwhile, your asinine idiocy about sharia etc. in the Mamdani's wife thread, has, of course, been exposed as the lies they are, told by you, also, of course.

I think he forgot what you were talking about DURING the conversation!

 

[Into the Night]

It would be hilarious to someone with a functioning brain. As for you...you just wouldn't understand it.

Complex fallacy. It is obvious you can't explain.

By the way, most people here do kick your ass...and have you for help. YOU help kick your own ass with the petty, childish posting to which you are addicted.

You are describing yourself again, Doofan.

Please continue. I am enjoying your squirming more than you can imagine.

You are describing yourself again, Doofan.

 

[Into the Night]

Do you understand the difference between a defensive alliance and offensive? NATO is a pact that says if one member gets attacked, the others will come to its aid.

They ARE getting attacked, Sybil. Apparently you don't recognize the radical Islam problem they have.

Trump launched a sneak attack and called on NATO to help. Why should they help him in a war that was his making?

What war, Sybil?

That makes it outside of the NATO pact.

Irrelevant.

You are as wrong as Trump, again.

Void argument fallacy.

 

[Hawkeye10]

NATO is crumbling and I have long had doubts that the UN makes it to the New World Order.....there is a chance that the Chinese will repurpose it.....if they new they will certainly move it out of the asses of the failed American Empire.

 

[Into the Night]

Why should we continue to carry them, as we have for decades?

I really don't see why we should. They renege on their own defense systems, they won't defend themselves from radical Islam in their own nations, and they don't come to each other's aid.

 

[Into the Night]

Your “John Mac Ghlionn” opinion piece could have been written by Putin himself, it’s like Russia isn’t a threat even though they surprise attacked a neighboring county with the intent of taking it over. Of course NATO was “born as a defense alliance,” and it exists today as rhe same, as noted, Putin’s invasion of the Ukraine shows it is needed, or I suppose “John Mac Ghilonn” would rather have Putin just invade any nation he sees fit

Not only the Europeans who didn’t assist in Trump’s war, even his ME buddies who give him planes and such didn’t step forward

They don't defend each other, anchovies. They don't even maintain their own defense systems properly.

 

[archives]

They don't defend each other, anchovies. They don't even maintain their own defense systems properly.

“properly” who knows, but Putin hasn’t invaded a nonNATO nation even though the Baltic States would be much easier picking than the Ukraine, shows a lot

 

[Phantasmal]

Instead he’s begging for their help in one moment and condemning them in the next. His mind is mush and actually, the remaining NATO members are becoming stronger on their own.

 

[Phantasmal]

Your “John Mac Ghlionn” opinion piece could have been written by Putin himself, it’s like Russia isn’t a threat even though they surprise attacked a neighboring county with the intent of taking it over. Of course NATO was “born as a defense alliance,” and it exists today as rhe same, as noted, Putin’s invasion of the Ukraine shows it is needed, or I suppose “John Mac Ghilonn” would rather have Putin just invade any nation he sees fit

Not only the Europeans who didn’t assist in Trump’s war, even his ME buddies who give him planes and such didn’t step forward

And none of them will, unless it’s to help broker a peace agreement.

 

[Cypress]

The pissant Eurosleaze need to grow the balls to secure their own political/economic realities!

^^^ MAGA moron begging NATO to rescue you from a war that you and Trump started.

 

[Into the Night]

“properly” who knows,

The nations themselves, anchovies. They already know their defense is inadequate.

but Putin hasn’t invaded a nonNATO nation even though the Baltic States would be much easier picking than the Ukraine, shows a lot

YARP. Random phrases mean nothing, anchovies.

 

[Into the Night]

Instead he’s begging for their help in one moment and condemning them in the next. His mind is mush and actually, the remaining NATO members are becoming stronger on their own.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! THAT lie was a whopper, Phanty!

 

[Into the Night]

And none of them will, unless it’s to help broker a peace agreement.

They are not belligerents, Phanty. They seem to have no interest in their own welfare. Their opinion means nothing.

 

[Into the Night]

^^^ MAGA moron begging NATO to rescue you from a war that you and Trump started.

MAGA is not a person, Cyborg. What war??

 

[Nordberg]

Why should we continue to carry them, as we have for decades?

Try and make sense. If Russia attacked a NATO country, that country would take the damage, the deaths, and the injuries. They are in danger. We should be happy to help them fight off an aggressor, like Russia. Look at the damage Ukraine is taking .
Should NATO., a defensive alliance, go into Iran for Trump, who is the aggressor? Should they have helped us in Venezuela?
We have not carried them. NATO has never had to fight off a country.
NATO fought with us in Afghanistan and Iraq, even though those wars were questionable.